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Vista + ME
I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?) being used to
"slam" the OS's. Both are fine for the time they were put on the market. It's the user that has the problem. In a day and age when nobody is to blame for anything, why not pin it on the machine? When Windows 7 comes out we'll hear the same cries all over again. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! |
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Vista + ME
It's the user that has the problem.
In many cases this is true however both Win Me and Vista suffered from a common problem when launched, that is a lack of drivers for pre-existing hardware. Whilst this is now not so true with Vista, many companies chose not to release drivers for Win Me as they instead moved to concentrate on the then soon to be released XP. -- Mike Maltby Corday wrote: I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?) being used to "slam" the OS's. Both are fine for the time they were put on the market. It's the user that has the problem. In a day and age when nobody is to blame for anything, why not pin it on the machine? When Windows 7 comes out we'll hear the same cries all over again. |
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"Corday" wrote in message ... I'm tired of hearing Vista is the new ME (98 3rd edition?) I forget who I read a day or two ago, but they described Me as 95 Fifth Edition. I think that is probably a truly accurate way to look at 9x history, i.e. taking the long view as allowed now that it's all so very, very long ago! I type from 95 First Edition, which is finally running and online in VPC 2007 sp1, on a 2.2 GHz Athlon! Though I expect a BSOD just as soon as AVG has updated. As someone who corruscates when things take a couple of seconds to initiate, I can appreciate the end of the hardware being so powerful and the software so well written that everything happens instantaneously henceforth, also that Microsoft do have to evolve the concept in order to keep selling new versions and thus remain in business (and they are not even as parasitic as the Marxian notion that is undoubtedly true, that Capitalism requires continually selling us that which we don't need, thus making us believe that we do need it. Windows has transformed the world, is a significant development of Human Evolution - unlike the throwback Sarah Palin - but I wish to foch they'd taken whoever it was came up with UAC out and put them up against a wall. Shane |
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Shane wrote:
I forget who I read a day or two ago, but they described Me as 95 Fifth Edition. I think that is probably a truly accurate way to look at 9x history, i.e. taking the long view as allowed now that it's all so very, very long ago! I type from 95 First Edition, which is finally running and online in VPC 2007 sp1, on a 2.2 GHz Athlon! Though I expect a BSOD just as soon as AVG has updated. As someone who corruscates when things take a couple of seconds to initiate, I can appreciate the end of the hardware being so powerful and the software so well written that everything happens instantaneously henceforth, also that Microsoft do have to evolve the concept in order to keep selling new versions and thus remain in business (and they are not even as parasitic as the Marxian notion that is undoubtedly true, that Capitalism requires continually selling us that which we don't need, thus making us believe that we do need it. Windows has transformed the world, is a significant development of Human Evolution - unlike the throwback Sarah Palin - but I wish to foch they'd taken whoever it was came up with UAC out and put them up against a wall. Shane Parah Salin is back in Alaska hunting for terrorists w I've heard that someone from the 'nix universe has helped to tame the UAC prompts in Vista - http://security.blogs.techtarget.com...crispin-cowan/ UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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I have no problems with it in Vista g
-- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message ... UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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Parah Salin is back in Alaska hunting for terrorists w
I guess the GOP told her they were an endangered species? I've heard that someone from the 'nix universe has helped to tame the UAC prompts in Vista - http://security.blogs.techtarget.com...crispin-cowan/ For a moment there I wondered what a hi-res Linux Security Guru was! UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w Actually I am fairly sure I was able to disable it in Home Premium - or when I was setting that one up I'd probably have thrown the computer through the window, eventually. I suspect that is where the name comes from and it was just seredipity that the boxes one worked with in the GUI were kind of window-like too. So if you can disable it in Home Premium - and therefore Home Basic (?), one I have zero experience of - then what annoys the seventh circle out of me is the attitude that puts UAC there in the first place. And just in case anyone cares, yes Windows 95 original began blue screening one AVG was half updated. And I spent all last night setting OSR2 up to it's own drive as opposed to in VPC, and it was doing really well until the keyboard went crazy. I figured the fact it is a USB keyboard (and mouse. And modem if the router should pack up. Etc) then perhaps I should install the USB patches, at which point the blue screening started in that one, too. I'd already performed open heart surgery to remove the firewall drivers, to get it booting again. So sad when for long periods (i.e. hours!) it was running pretty sweet. Indeed, 98se goes much the same way if I try to install the HP drivers. The only problem Me seems to have - apart from the glaring security-related ones - is the old more-than-a-gig-of-RAM one that we know how to fix. But I don't suppose it will be long before no modern computer will run any version of 9x, not through any design of Microsoft, but because the hardware is just too powerful. So I bury 95, but take 98se some grapes (but eat them myself). Shane |
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Joan Archer wrote:
I have no problems with it in Vista g You mean you've got it turned off, Joan? If not, then you can't do much tinkering. Whereas that is almost all I do do. I poked some people with a stick over that in the Vista group (when I briefly visited, until realizing it was like xpgeneral only more so) in support of the guy there getting all the flak for not being a sheep. And it is a long time since I mentioned those, eh Joan! Though now I feel guilty for besmirching the name of the fair bovine whatsit! The point being that like any mechanic, tinkering is what I do, which makes it a legitimate use of the computer, just as of the car or bike (or boat or aircraft). Yet the majority do not do this - they pay or cajole others to maintain and fix their pieces of technology for them. And when that technology is altered in a way that doesn't really affect them - i.e. because they never look under the hood - they think it is fine and don't care a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. Or rather for the ones who want to know how things work and not be nannied, and be self-reliant rather than afraid. I'm not implying you do this - I know you know a lot about Windows, far more than the average Josephine. But I think it is really very bad when people just accept whatever they're handed from on high and dismiss the objections of those who actually think about it as the irrelevent bleatings (there we go again!) of a minority who are anti-social enough not to do exactly the same as everybody else. From a lifetime of thinking about the problems we face I have no doubt that they are caused by the lazy, unthinking majority who just allow what is good to be bulldozed in the name of progress or profit and the promise of an easy life. UAC is just a signpost - or possibly a milestone - on the inexorable path to the belated 1984. One could almost imagine the world of The Matrix coming to pass, except that it won't be the machines that do it, it's be the likes of Tony Blair, his incumbent lover in the White House and their supporters. "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message ... UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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MowGreen [MVP] wrote:
snip UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w There's TweakUAC. I've not used it myself. It has a "quiet mode" setting that keeps UAC on without the prompts. http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/ MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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@Shane:
There are several differing means for taming UAC but disabling it negates what it was intended to do in the first place ... force software vendors to write software that doesn't require Admin privileges to run. The User Accounts can then be run in Limited User modes mitigating malware exposure. Data I've seen so far supports that theory. Vista Users as a whole have a much less incidence of infection vs. XP Users. Also, disabling UAC can cause installation/functionality issues with some newer software that meets the above Limited User criteria. But then again, it's your system. Do what you want with it. w MG TomV wrote: MowGreen [MVP] wrote: snip UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w There's TweakUAC. I've not used it myself. It has a "quiet mode" setting that keeps UAC on without the prompts. http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/ MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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Will this give you some consolation, Shane:
http://www.ookii.org/showpost.aspx?post=3 ? Harry. "Shane" wrote in message ... Joan Archer wrote: I have no problems with it in Vista g You mean you've got it turned off, Joan? If not, then you can't do much tinkering. Whereas that is almost all I do do. I poked some people with a stick over that in the Vista group (when I briefly visited, until realizing it was like xpgeneral only more so) in support of the guy there getting all the flak for not being a sheep. And it is a long time since I mentioned those, eh Joan! Though now I feel guilty for besmirching the name of the fair bovine whatsit! The point being that like any mechanic, tinkering is what I do, which makes it a legitimate use of the computer, just as of the car or bike (or boat or aircraft). Yet the majority do not do this - they pay or cajole others to maintain and fix their pieces of technology for them. And when that technology is altered in a way that doesn't really affect them - i.e. because they never look under the hood - they think it is fine and don't care a tinker's cuss for the struggling artist. Or rather for the ones who want to know how things work and not be nannied, and be self-reliant rather than afraid. I'm not implying you do this - I know you know a lot about Windows, far more than the average Josephine. But I think it is really very bad when people just accept whatever they're handed from on high and dismiss the objections of those who actually think about it as the irrelevent bleatings (there we go again!) of a minority who are anti-social enough not to do exactly the same as everybody else. From a lifetime of thinking about the problems we face I have no doubt that they are caused by the lazy, unthinking majority who just allow what is good to be bulldozed in the name of progress or profit and the promise of an easy life. UAC is just a signpost - or possibly a milestone - on the inexorable path to the belated 1984. One could almost imagine the world of The Matrix coming to pass, except that it won't be the machines that do it, it's be the likes of Tony Blair, his incumbent lover in the White House and their supporters. "MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message ... UAC will no longer be a PITA in Windows 7. w MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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