ThankYou Mac page at WinUP site?

Rick Chauvin wrote:
| ps... about that registry key mentioned to delete...
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
| \Internet Settings\User Agent\PostPlatform
|
| Well it can't be that since I just did the reverse and set it and/or
| deleted it (even though there were no values in it and was blank)
| ..but
| with that folder key in place or not I still get in.

TODAY, Windows Update works for me just fine! I suspect THEY were at
fault, or -- I guess -- it could be a reboot has cured me. But what was
amiss to cure? There were no new updates.

Anyhow, I do have that key -- but with a space inside "Post
Platform" --, & it, yea, has no effect-- today anyhow...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Internet
Settings\User Agent\Post Platform]
"Q312461"=""

| You know it has to be something even more simpler than that I think.

Either a reboot cured me-- or it was them! But thanks, & to Brian A.
too.

| Although I sit behind a Netgear NAT router and a ZA software firewall
| if
| that changes anything, but I don't know why it should.
|
| Rick
|
| ..btw, C:\Windows\Windows Update.log shows this (watch the wraps)
|
|
| 2007-02-25 07:35:26 12:35:26 Success IUCTL Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Downloaded
| iuident.cab from windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
| Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Checking to
| see if new version of Windows Update software available
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Current
| iuctl.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Current
| iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUENGINE Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:28 12:35:28 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:28 12:35:28 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:34 12:35:34 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:34 12:35:34 Success IUCTL Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:42 12:35:42 Success IUCTL Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
| iuident.cab from windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
| Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Checking to
| see if new version of Windows Update software available
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Current
| iuctl.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Current
| iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:58 12:35:58 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:58 12:35:58 Success IUCTL Shutting down

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Stephen F wrote:
| I'm running IE5.5 on Win98SE and also getting the same message. No
| more WU for me.

You probably still have it! Even with IE 6 SP1, I lost it yesterday--
but it has come back today! Close the "Thank You" screen, & try again
later, or even after a fresh reboot.

It could be some kind of problem at their end! JUST, maybe ensure you
are working online...

"IE, File Menu, uncheck 'Work Offline'"

....&/or clean out TIFs...

"Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete all
offline content, OK, OK"

...., but I didn't even have to do that, really.


| "Lee" wrote:
|
| I can't be the only one looking at the Thank You for showing an
| interest in Windows you Macintosh user page can I? Anybody seen
| RoBear lately? We need an insider to tell them that they broke Win98
| access on Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 3:17:02 PM when they changed
| to the new redirect.js file at the WinUp sites. Catalog site too.
| Hmm...what's a 'ThanksVistaV4Catalog' from inside the new redirect.js
| file?
|
| Can anybody get in or is it a total lockout? I can't believe it's
| almost midnight and nobody else has posted on the subject. Am I
| really that lucky - all afternoon chasing my tail all alone? Since
| about 3:17:02 as well...

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Rick Chauvin wrote:
....snip
| Rick
|
| ..btw, C:\Windows\Windows Update.log shows this (watch the wraps)
|
|
| 2007-02-25 07:35:26 12:35:26 Success IUCTL Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Downloaded
| iuident.cab from windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
| Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Checking to
| see if new version of Windows Update software available
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Current
| iuctl.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUCTL Current
| iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:27 12:35:27 Success IUENGINE Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:28 12:35:28 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:28 12:35:28 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:34 12:35:34 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:34 12:35:34 Success IUCTL Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:42 12:35:42 Success IUCTL Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Downloaded
| iuident.cab from windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
| Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Checking to
| see if new version of Windows Update software available
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Current
| iuctl.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUCTL Current
| iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Starting
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:43 12:35:43 Success IUENGINE Determining
| machine configuration
| 2007-02-25 07:35:58 12:35:58 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
| 2007-02-25 07:35:58 12:35:58 Success IUCTL Shutting down

Yea, my good ones today look just like that. Although I tried it more
than twice yesterday, only TWO showed up in "Windows Update.log"...

........Quote the .log................
2007-02-24 16:03:30 21:03:30 Success IUCTL Starting
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUCTL Library
download error. Will retry. (Error 0x80070002: The system cannot find
the file specified.)
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUCTL Library
download error. Will retry. (Error 0x80070002: The system cannot find
the file specified.)
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUCTL Library
download error. Will retry. (Error 0x80070002: The system cannot find
the file specified.)
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUCTL Failed to
download iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to
C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\temp (Error 0x80070002: The system
cannot find the file specified.)

2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Success IUENGINE Starting
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUENGINE Library
download error and timed out (-1 ms). Will not retry. (Error 0x80070002:
The system cannot find the file specified.)
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2007-02-24 16:10:04 21:10:04 Success IUCTL Shutting down
.......EOQ...............

The second of those may have involved the Catalog site. You know! An
error DID flash briefly just before the first access to Windows Update
that resulted in the redirect to that thanks.aspx! Here is what the
Troubleshoot site has to say...

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/troubleshoot/
........Quote.........
Problem Description:
Customer receives error 0x80070002 when trying to access the site

Resolutions:
This is an intermittent error that appears from time to time. The most
likely cause of this error is intermittent network connectivity. The
Internet is a dynamic network and sometimes it takes more than one
attempt for communications to succeed. Based on our experience, most
customers who encounter this error only see it for a short period of
time and then the error goes away and the Windows Update site functions
normally.

We have also seen this error when some Windows 2000 SP3 customers choose
to archive old files. After the archive the old versions of the Windows
Update control files stay in place and they get the 80070002 error. The
control files IUENGINE.DLL and IUCTL.DLL, both located in
C:\Windows\System32, should be reviewed for date and version to
troubleshoot.
........EOQ...........

My own IUEngine.dll & IUCtrl.dll seem both to be dated 8/21/03, & both
have this file wordy version... "5.3.3790.13 built by:
SRV03_RTM(ntvbl04)". Anyhow, I am working well today!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Lee" wrote in message
oups.com...
| Thanks Brian, this isn't going to be easy or pretty at all. I've done
| all the advise from everybody in this thread except Gary's 53 meg
| download of Sun Java 6. In the mean time I've installed IE 6.00 SP1,
| Sun Java 1.5.0_11. I've uninstalled MSJVM, SunJava 1.5.0_07 and retro
| graded WSH back to 5.6.6625 by customizing the installation inf file
| for scr56en.cab for IE6. All these in some form or another done so
| attempts could be made to find out what is the one thing that makes a
| difference and there is none so that you would notice. None.
|
| Sometimes I can get to WinUP, sometimes when I get to WinUP it shows
| text based site and/or fully/partial standard site graphics. If I
| leave the standard WinUP site instance open and open in a new window
| of the Catalog site, then I stand a much better chance of not getting
| the V6 - kiss off page in the new IE window. But I also can get text
| based Catalog page or rarely a normal looking Catalog page. BUT it
| doesn't work, when I click on 'Additional Windows Updates (1)' which I
| know to contain only Games.cab file, the text for it won't show - All
| I get is a non-working Read More link and the Add button.
|
| I've noticed lately that sometimes I get the same sort of text based
| looking knowledge base articles. I had a week of troubles when the V4
| WinUp and Catalog site first became active but none at all since then
| until I tried it again yesterday. No solution for now I guess, thanks
| again.

Apparently everyone has forgotten that many people, like myself and you,
have not done the Java update, do not dual boot [which may now be part of
the check or relate in some fashion, showing a supported OS], or other
potentials such as running in VPC, which rather obviously, would be
detectable.
Our systems previously worked fine at the updates site, and the change
causing the problem was done BY Microsoft, not us.
I found, upon your notification, exactly what you posted.
Unlike you, I would never have noticed it, because I have the files
downloaded locally, with the iuhist.xml properly set out for potential
reinstallation in the future for this particular setup.
I also have two or three other potential future setups prepared, from
and/or for other system configurations.

Regardless of the actual problem, if one does not download the files and
prepare for complete support pull-down from Microsoft [save the files
located somewhere on Microsoft], one will likely find themselves forced to
use some pre-prepared updates file from some other site in the not so
distant future. Continuing forward without doing this, is like ignorant
bliss, nice while it lasts, but hell to pay when it collapses.

We [myself in particular] have discussed this future factor several times
in this group previously, and set out exactly how to acheive successful
installations in the future from your own files.

Here's one of the prior postings:

From: "MEB" meb@not
References:


Subject: Installing Updates
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:10:53 -0400
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:807504


"AJS" wrote in message
...
I meant how would I know which of the critical I updates I need. Right now
I
can click the "scan" button on the windows update page and then get a list
of the updates I need to install.
In the future (after July) if I do a reinstall of Windows how do I know
then
which updates need to be installed?
I looked at
"C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\iuhist.xml" and
"C:\%windir%\Windows Update.log"
both show "lists" that you really have to carefully sort out in order not
to
miss any of the updates.
Once I have everything sorted out how do I find the particular updates,
since they all have long folder names like
"com_microsoft.KB867460_DOT_NET_EN_1_1_SP1" and some are not easily
recognizable.
Thanks
AJS


You answered to Pa Bear but indicated an attempt at my suggestion so:

Let's look at a segment of an update log for info..[Note dates and times
have been removed. Also note I attempted to make this fit into the message
area.]
Dates will give you an indication of the order of installation, times might
give you an indication of Microsoft's installation order as listed on it's
servers.
Note also that Microsoft is distinctly concerned that it's browser be
installed FIRST and it's updates, which makes sense as it is the flawed and
exploitable interface to the Internet..so skip those files if not installing
IE 6 and OE, or the other browsers and OE.

WINDOWS UPDATE.LOG

Querying software update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...etmanifest.asp
Success IUENGINE Querying software update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
Success IUENGINE Asynchronous Download started
Success IUENGINE Download destination root folder is: c:\WUTemp

Here's the long name as Microsoft adds a file from it's server

Success IUENGINE Downloaded file http://download.windowsupdate.com/
msdownload/update/v3-19990518/
cabpool/IE6.0sp1-KB905915-Windows-98-ME-x86-ENU_048d87801990caa1902294e650e2
9d8.exe

Here's the short name which you should have a copy of, if you downloaded to
your disk (look at the last segment where I added quotes)

Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.905915_IE_6_SP1_x86_169934 _IExpress\"IE6.0sp1-KB9059
15-Windows-98-ME-x86-ENU.exe"

Which I have saved locally as: C:\UPGRADES\Microsoft\Win95-98\98
updates\IE_6_OE\IE6.0sp1-KB905915-Windows-98-ME-x86-ENU.exe
Note that the file itself indicates that it is for IE6, hence a file I will
not use in the future. If you want additional information on the file you
can querry Microsoft for the KB or Q number and read what it does and what
it's for. Save a copy locally for future reference.

Here's an indication this file should be installed seperately OR that the
application is not installed fully [Media 9 was installed but had NOT been
allowed to register itself]

ERROR IUENGINE Downloading file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/ms...e/v3-19990518/
cabpool/WindowsMedia9-KB911565-Win9x-x86-ENU_8d1eeee2307201b8c45b3092eaa33f2
..exe, skipping remaining files for this Item
Note it says skipping other files for this.. an indication this file should
be installed on its own or could not be installed at that time..

Starting a new segment at updates shows it was later installed:

Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/ms...e/v3-19990518/
cabpool/WindowsMedia9-KB911565-Win9x-x86-ENU_8d1eeee2307201b8c45b3092eaa33f2
..exe
Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.WindowsMedia9-Windows98ME-KB911565-x86-176321\
WindowsMedia9-KB911565-Win9x-x86-ENU.exe

Let's look at another:

Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/ms...e/v3-19990518/
cabpool/Windows98-KB908519-ENU_5a83ea1360d1ebaa28c9b8bd1b389f9.EXE
Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Windows98-KB908519-x86-174228\Windows98-KB908519-ENU
..EXE
Saved locally as: C:\UPGRADES\Microsoft\Win95-98\98
updates\Windows98-KB908519-ENU.EXE
This file indicates it is a system or possible system file update. My saved
text file: C:\UPGRADES\Microsoft\Win95-98\98
updates\Windows98-KB908519_11-27-2005_t2embed.txt indicates it is the
t2embed fix.

Now let's look at some dates and times [this particular testing computer
was recently run through the configuration / updates process for data base
comparison]:

2006-03-20 07:32:44 12:32:44 Success IUENGINE Downloaded file
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/
update/v3-19990518/cabpool/
260067_888B94B8824DAA55DA83EFF12FA9A844EAE368DD.EX E
2006-03-20 07:32:44 12:32:44 Success IUENGINE Local path
c:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.q260067_98SE_3662\260067.E XE

Well the update log suggest we check iuhist.xml so let's do so for this
file -

Searching iuhist we find [and yes if one intends to use iuhist one must make
it readable so....]:

IUHIST.XML

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2006-03-20T07:34:54"
identity itemID="win98se.windows98andwindows98secondedition
..ver_platform_win32_windows.4.10.x86.en......com_ microsoft.
q260067_98se_3662.4_10_0_2222" name="q260067_98SE_3662"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleMapped Drives Shutdown Update/title
eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/
v3/static/rtf/en/3662.htm"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.q260067_98SE _3662/downloadPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="1"/
/itemStatus

So we see the time stamps / download time and dates match, we have the
right version, and it needs to be rebooted.. We also see that both 98 AND
98SE need this update [see identity itemID]. We also see that it was the
Mapped Drives Shutdown Update [see title].

By comparing both the update log and iuhist we can approximately determine
when the file should be installed, and whether it should be installed.
IUHIST shows the order installed in reverse, unless I have missed something.
We can also use the KB and Q info from Microsoft to determine the date of
release and order of installation.

Does this help?

Copyright Maurice Edward, Brahier http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
| ...So far the Windows Update site has an option to scan the computer
| and detect which of the updates I need. But once this site becomes
| unavailable how would I know?

| --
| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
|
|
| AJS wrote:
|



--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

|
| On Feb 23, 9:15 pm, "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote:
| "Lee" wrote in message
|
| oups.com...
|
| What's a VPC2K7? I'm at 1.5.0_07 Sun Java but version 1.5.0_11 is
| available according to javatester.org site. What's your version? MEB
| and I seem to need it.
|
| Virtual PC
2007http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default...
|
| (build 1.5.0_10-b03)
|
|
|
| Any other reason you can think of why you get in and we can't? I've
| run into the wall at this point and am all out of ideas.
|
| Try emptying out your Temp, TIF and Cookie folders.
|
| --
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
|
|
|
|
|
| On Feb 23, 1:47 am, "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote:
| I don't see the same at the update or catalog site.
| Update site: No critical updates are available now, however you do
have other
| updates yada yada ( which I never wanted.)
| Catalog site: Critical Updates and Service Packs (78), Additional
Windows
| Downloads
| (1) and Internet and Multimedia Updates (1).
| Active "Go to download basket" button as well as the "Add" buttons
for each
| download.
|
| Howsa bout dat, 5 Criticals for my 98SE in VPC2K7.
|
| --
|
| Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| Conflicts start where information lacks.http://basconotw.mvps.org/
|
| Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in
| . ..
|
| I do, and I'm making CDs for anyone for the price of shipping. Up to
you to
| figure
| out the order of installation, though.
|
| Well, almost anyone. There *are* a few people on my SL.
|
| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Thank you for your interest in obtaining updates from our site.
|
| This website is designed to work with Microsoft Windows operating
systems
| only.
| To find updates for Microsoft products that are designed for
Macintosh
| operating systems, please visithttp://www.microsoft.com/mac/.
|
| HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, well perhaps Microsoft truly has ended ALL
support
| for 98,, hope everyone has the files by now...
|
| --
| MEB
| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/PublicNotice or the
"real
| world"
| http://groups.google.com/group/the-p...=en-discussion
group for
| general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
|
| "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their
business as if
| nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| Or to put it another way:
| Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
one.
| _______________
|
| "Lee" wrote in message
| roups.com...
| | I can't be the only one looking at the Thank You for showing an
| | interest in Windows you Macintosh user page can I? Anybody seen
| | RoBear lately? We need an insider to tell them that they broke
Win98
| | access on Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 3:17:02 PM when they
changed
| | to the new redirect.js file at the WinUp sites. Catalog site
too.
| | Hmm...what's a 'ThanksVistaV4Catalog' from inside the new
redirect.js
| | file?
| |
| | Can anybody get in or is it a total lockout? I can't believe
it's
| | almost midnight and nobody else has posted on the subject. Am I
| | really that lucky - all afternoon chasing my tail all alone?
Since
| | about 3:17:02 as well...
| |- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|

On Feb 25, 1:31 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
snip
Does that help?
snip
Nope, sorry but I don't suscribe to the 'order' theory at all to start
with. Version a update and version b update run in any order result
in version b dll file installed every time. No need to reinvent the
wheel or make matters complicated or abuse Usenet, it's a pretty
simple concept, just run the updates.
I do have all the files on hard drive from the Catalog site BTW so no
worries here, thanks.

As I type this, MS keeps swapping out redirect.js files at the WinUP
sites. About three this PM it was still not working for me, but at 7
it did. At that time the redirect.js had a modified date of october
last, and since then I get Thursday, February 22, 2007, 4:56 PM which
is the one that wasn't working for me yesterday either. I did get
through using IE 5.50 SP2 with the latest WSH using this url which I
never seen before.
http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu....aspx?ln=en-us

Seems a bit bizarre to use a V6 url when that's the very Kiss off one
I am trying to avoid but I got to V4 WinUP site first try using it
about 7 PM. Things went from better to worse until I finally got this
text based WinUP site for to show Rick Chauvin:
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winup3wv7.png

So I'm about done with all this - thanks for all the suggestions guys
but as long as MS is still working on it, I can't complain too loud.
And they are so I won't.

"Lee" wrote in message
ups.com...
| On Feb 25, 1:31 pm, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
| snip
| Does that help?
| snip
| Nope, sorry but I don't suscribe to the 'order' theory at all to start
| with. Version a update and version b update run in any order result
| in version b dll file installed every time. No need to reinvent the
| wheel or make matters complicated or abuse Usenet, it's a pretty
| simple concept, just run the updates.
| I do have all the files on hard drive from the Catalog site BTW so no
| worries here, thanks.

Huh, abuse USENET? What the heck are you talking about?

Glad you have the files, hope everyone does; and has some plan for future
updates, whatever they are.

As for order of installation: whatever seems to work for you. My routine is
quite different, and comes from years of trial and error usage, and
servicing other's computers and networks.

|
| As I type this, MS keeps swapping out redirect.js files at the WinUP
| sites. About three this PM it was still not working for me, but at 7
| it did. At that time the redirect.js had a modified date of october
| last, and since then I get Thursday, February 22, 2007, 4:56 PM which
| is the one that wasn't working for me yesterday either. I did get
| through using IE 5.50 SP2 with the latest WSH using this url which I
| never seen before.
| http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu....aspx?ln=en-us

That one is interesting, as that was never Win98.

|
| Seems a bit bizarre to use a V6 url when that's the very Kiss off one
| I am trying to avoid but I got to V4 WinUP site first try using it
| about 7 PM. Things went from better to worse until I finally got this
| text based WinUP site for to show Rick Chauvin:
| http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winup3wv7.png
|
| So I'm about done with all this - thanks for all the suggestions guys
| but as long as MS is still working on it, I can't complain too loud.
| And they are so I won't.
|

Complain? Likely the complaints that got this fixed, came from people using
authorized and supported versions of other Microsoft products. I doubt
seriously that if just 98 users complained it would have much effect at all.
However, that's just my opine.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

"Lee" wrote in message
ups.com

[...]
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winup3wv7.png
[...]

That's interesting isn't it, but since we know it's them I won't worry
about it.

Rick

On Feb 26, 8:30 am, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
"Lee" wrote in message

Huh, abuse USENET? What the heck are you talking about?

That mile long repost of another message which is kinda like one of
PCR's master posts for which he just gets kidded about but really
should be snipped out of some of the messages in a thread at least
SOME.
Come on you guys, this stuff is being saved for posterity by Google
and you are too lazy to care or snip/use links? Especially when
messages in a thread devolve into trading one liners...

Glad you have the files, hope everyone does; and has some plan for future
updates, whatever they are.

As for order of installation: whatever seems to work for you. My routine is
quite different, and comes from years of trial and error usage, and
servicing other's computers and networks.

Me too, sans the network stuff. I was all set to release a
methodology on how to save to disk all the MS updates from the old V3
WinUP site when MS changed their feathers completely and allowed that
very thing for the first time EVER in history via the V4 Catalog. I
had a complete, up to date collection of MS updates for Win98 saved to
disk BEFORE the V4 WinUP site ever launched!! If I might have had 6
months lead time, my bottom line might still have shown a difference
to this day.

So I believe the difference in stance comes from basic philosophy
differences. You are out to quantify all aspects possible at all
times and I'm out to do that only when it's actually neccessary.

|
| As I type this, MS keeps swapping out redirect.js files at the WinUP
| sites. About three this PM it was still not working for me, but at 7
| it did. At that time the redirect.js had a modified date of october
| last, and since then I get Thursday, February 22, 2007, 4:56 PM which
| is the one that wasn't working for me yesterday either. I did get
| through using IE 5.50 SP2 with the latest WSH using this url which I
| never seen before.
|http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu....aspx?ln=en-us

That one is interesting, as that was never Win98.

|
| Seems a bit bizarre to use a V6 url when that's the very Kiss off one
| I am trying to avoid but I got to V4 WinUP site first try using it
| about 7 PM. Things went from better to worse until I finally got this
| text based WinUP site for to show Rick Chauvin:
|http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winup3wv7.png
|
| So I'm about done with all this - thanks for all the suggestions guys
| but as long as MS is still working on it, I can't complain too loud.
| And they are so I won't.
|

Complain? Likely the complaints that got this fixed, came from people using
authorized and supported versions of other Microsoft products. I doubt
seriously that if just 98 users complained it would have much effect at all.
However, that's just my opine.

--
MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/Public Notice or the "real
world"http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en- discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

I don't believe _any_ complaints got MS up and working on this issue,
it's just a matter of keeping house as per usual I'm sure. My first
post mentioned a V4 Vista Catalog which is likely what MS is trying to
bring online with the new script file 'redirect.js' at the WinUP
site. As in the past, MS will try this script and then that one until
they all work for all the platforms that they are supposed to without
any input from us at all. I was hoping to put a bug into RoBear's ear
that there was something amiss at the sight so that he might do the
same for the (echo) Keepers of the WinUP Script (/echo). He has been
able to do that before on rare occasion as unlike me, he won't get
ignored by them so completely as you or I would. But silly me, I
jumped the gun after just 8 hours of WTF?, a lesson we could all
learn.

I'll assume since Rick Chauvin didn't mention that he couldn't see my
post at imageshack that in fact he DID, which means that it's probably
there for everybody else too. I wouldn't know that for sure because
I'm the one that put it there and I might have special access to it as
I have run into that before. Glad to know posting that wasn't a waste
of time, but I sure wish I could have saved the one where I had empty
Add boxes as it was way freaky to see. I'm also very glad it's not an
IE 6 vs IE 5.50 SP2 issue as I'm still not ready to give up on IE 5.50
SP2 just yet.

Lee wrote:
| On Feb 26, 8:30 am, "MEB" meb@not wrote:
| "Lee" wrote in message
|
| Huh, abuse USENET? What the heck are you talking about?
|
| That mile long repost of another message which is kinda like one of
| PCR's master posts for which he just gets kidded about but really
| should be snipped out of some of the messages in a thread at least
| SOME.

Some, maybe -- but only JUST a few or less -- EVEN after the thread has
degraded to just "one liners"..!

| Come on you guys, this stuff is being saved for posterity by Google
| and you are too lazy to care or snip/use links? Especially when
| messages in a thread devolve into trading one liners...
|
| Glad you have the files, hope everyone does; and has some plan for
| future updates, whatever they are.
|
| As for order of installation: whatever seems to work for you. My
| routine is quite different, and comes from years of trial and error
| usage, and
| servicing other's computers and networks.
|
| Me too, sans the network stuff. I was all set to release a
| methodology on how to save to disk all the MS updates from the old V3
| WinUP site when MS changed their feathers completely and allowed that
| very thing for the first time EVER in history via the V4 Catalog. I
| had a complete, up to date collection of MS updates for Win98 saved to
| disk BEFORE the V4 WinUP site ever launched!! If I might have had 6
| months lead time, my bottom line might still have shown a difference
| to this day.
|
| So I believe the difference in stance comes from basic philosophy
| differences. You are out to quantify all aspects possible at all
| times and I'm out to do that only when it's actually neccessary.

I would strive to run them in the order issued, except for the ones that
were superceded-- IF I could figure what those were just by looking at
them in my WU store!.

| |
| | As I type this, MS keeps swapping out redirect.js files at the
| | WinUP sites. About three this PM it was still not working for me,
| | but at 7 it did. At that time the redirect.js had a modified date
| | of october last, and since then I get Thursday, February 22, 2007,
| | 4:56 PM which is the one that wasn't working for me yesterday
| | either. I did get through using IE 5.50 SP2 with the latest WSH
| | using this url which I never seen before.
| |http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu....aspx?ln=en-us
|
| That one is interesting, as that was never Win98.

SUDDENLY, I am AGAIN redirected to...
http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu...&thankspage=2&

....when I try any of...

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp

....or even that V6 URL. Yesterday I was miraculously cured! Well, let's
see what happens tomorrow. ODD, nothing appears in,,,

C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update.log

....not even the error message I got day before yesterday -- NOTHING for
2007-02-27 at all -- where that first day I got a few...!...

......Quote..........
2007-02-24 16:03:32 21:03:32 Error IUCTL Library
download error. Will retry. (Error 0x80070002: The system cannot find
the file specified.)
......EOQ.............

I GUESS those were a coincidence-- as there weren't as many as tries to
connect that day, anyhow!

| |
| | Seems a bit bizarre to use a V6 url when that's the very Kiss off
| | one I am trying to avoid but I got to V4 WinUP site first try
| | using it about 7 PM. Things went from better to worse until I
| | finally got this text based WinUP site for to show Rick Chauvin:
| |http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winup3wv7.png
| |
| | So I'm about done with all this - thanks for all the suggestions
| | guys but as long as MS is still working on it, I can't complain
| | too loud. And they are so I won't.
| |
|
| Complain? Likely the complaints that got this fixed, came from
| people using authorized and supported versions of other Microsoft
| products. I doubt seriously that if just 98 users complained it
| would have much effect at all. However, that's just my opine.
|
| --
| MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/Public Notice or the
| "real world"http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en-
| discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of
| the world
|
| "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their
| business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| Or to put it another way:
| Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
| one. _______________
|
| I don't believe _any_ complaints got MS up and working on this issue,
| it's just a matter of keeping house as per usual I'm sure. My first
| post mentioned a V4 Vista Catalog which is likely what MS is trying to
| bring online with the new script file 'redirect.js' at the WinUP
| site. As in the past, MS will try this script and then that one until
| they all work for all the platforms that they are supposed to without
| any input from us at all.

I HOPE they don't think it's over & done & all is well now! Today it
ain't!

| I was hoping to put a bug into RoBear's ear
| that there was something amiss at the sight so that he might do the
| same for the (echo) Keepers of the WinUP Script (/echo). He has been
| able to do that before on rare occasion as unlike me, he won't get
| ignored by them so completely as you or I would. But silly me, I
| jumped the gun after just 8 hours of WTF?, a lesson we could all
| learn.

I HOPE PA Bear hasn't gone back into an hibernation! After all, those
groundhogs didn't go back in, DID THEY?

| I'll assume since Rick Chauvin didn't mention that he couldn't see my
| post at imageshack that in fact he DID, which means that it's probably
| there for everybody else too. I wouldn't know that for sure because
| I'm the one that put it there and I might have special access to it as
| I have run into that before. Glad to know posting that wasn't a waste
| of time, but I sure wish I could have saved the one where I had empty
| Add boxes as it was way freaky to see. I'm also very glad it's not an
| IE 6 vs IE 5.50 SP2 issue as I'm still not ready to give up on IE 5.50
| SP2 just yet.

I'm pretty sure, if Chauvin saw it, it must be there. But what was the
URL?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in message
...
....snip
| SUDDENLY, I am AGAIN redirected to...
|
http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu...&thankspage=2&
|
| ...when I try any of...
|
| http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp
| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp

But now it's working again! All I can say is... last thing I did was...
to close AND reopen OE. That's right, Outlook Express. Then, Windows
Update worked again.

It didn't help to wipe...
C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate
....of all BUT the V4 folder & the two .xml files inside.

It didn't help to just close OE.

It likely is just a coincidence, but, after reopening that, all is well.
This time, I didn't start OEQuoteFix first, but likely that was a
coincidence too.