EXPLORER.EXE illegal operation etc etc etc

I have the suspicion that this problem has been dealt with many times over.

I experience repeated failures in EXPLORER.EXE most often when I use
Windows Explorer, when I context (right) click on icons on the desktop and
especially if I dare look at the properties of a file (object). The
problem is usually an illegal operation.

It also happens when I exit programs using the "x" button, if I exit using
the File menu or similar it seems to occur less frequently.

Sometimes the error is reported as being Internet Explorer, even tho IE is
not running - I use Moz (am in the process of switching to Firefox), I only
use IE for WU and a couple of other sites that only want to work with IE.

I have searched MSKB (Microsoft Windows 98 explorer.exe illegal operation)
and done things like getting a fresh copy of OLE32.DLL off the CD-ROM,
checking to ensure there isn't an old version of EXPLORER.EXE in C:\ etc.
But the problem persists, today I have decided to find a solution.

If anyone knows of stable FREE file mangler that isn't just another
representation of EXPLORER.EXE, hence inheriting the instability of that
program, please let me know - that would solve 80% of my problems.

Oh, when the problem occurs it often takes most of the System Tray with it
- well it sort of takes it, the programs are still executing but their
icons disappear which for some apps is a nuisance - eg 3M's Post It Lite,
how I love that program a clipboard for humans.

You have the "Follow-up To" setting for your message listed as *only* alt.windows98
group, yet you posted in 3 different groups including the MS group I am reading this
from. If you cannot check the groups you post to, do not post to them. I am adding
the MS group I am replying from, to the reply list. How can you expect people to
reply if you will not allow the responses and follow-ups to be posted in the groups
they are reading?? Many if not most potential helpers will simply pass your post by
for this reason.

When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button, and
post back with the EXACT details, *word for word*, up to but not including the
memory registers.

Do you, or did you ever, have the Novell networking client installed?
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"PhilD" wrote in message
.. .
I have the suspicion that this problem has been dealt with many times over.

I experience repeated failures in EXPLORER.EXE most often when I use
Windows Explorer, when I context (right) click on icons on the desktop and
especially if I dare look at the properties of a file (object). The
problem is usually an illegal operation.

It also happens when I exit programs using the "x" button, if I exit using
the File menu or similar it seems to occur less frequently.

Sometimes the error is reported as being Internet Explorer, even tho IE is
not running - I use Moz (am in the process of switching to Firefox), I only
use IE for WU and a couple of other sites that only want to work with IE.

I have searched MSKB (Microsoft Windows 98 explorer.exe illegal operation)
and done things like getting a fresh copy of OLE32.DLL off the CD-ROM,
checking to ensure there isn't an old version of EXPLORER.EXE in C:\ etc.
But the problem persists, today I have decided to find a solution.

If anyone knows of stable FREE file mangler that isn't just another
representation of EXPLORER.EXE, hence inheriting the instability of that
program, please let me know - that would solve 80% of my problems.

Oh, when the problem occurs it often takes most of the System Tray with it
- well it sort of takes it, the programs are still executing but their
icons disappear which for some apps is a nuisance - eg 3M's Post It Lite,
how I love that program a clipboard for humans.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:01:14 -0500, glee wrote:

From: glee
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You have the "Follow-up To" setting for your message listed as *only* alt.windows98
group, yet you posted in 3 different groups including the MS group I am reading this
from. If you cannot check the groups you post to, do not post to them. I am adding
the MS group I am replying from, to the reply list. How can you expect people to
reply if you will not allow the responses and follow-ups to be posted in the groups
they are reading?? Many if not most potential helpers will simply pass your post by
for this reason.

When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button, and
post back with the EXACT details, *word for word*, up to but not including the
memory registers.

Do you, or did you ever, have the Novell networking client installed?
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180

Apologies for the incorrect follow up settings, I still have my "L"'s on
wrt to the newgroup client I'm using, why it doesn't default Follow Ups to
the groups to which the message is posted I don't know. I have been
accessing & posting to USENET groups for many years, but in an X-Windows
context, where these sort of things were taken care of by the sysadmites.
It shouldn't happen again even if I have to write some Pascal (it being the
extension language of my NG client) to make it so.

As far as I know this machine has not been near a Novell network. I
cannot, or at least regedt cannot, find any trace of Novell in the
registry. Also I suspect it's hard disk was reformatted when it was
retrenched from the corporate world.

I'll capture the information you suggest and post in here, probably some
time today (that's today my time which is GMT+10).

As far as I know this machine has not been near a Novell network. I
cannot, or at least regedt cannot, find any trace of Novell in the
registry.

Mine neither, 98SE was installed from new, about a year ago, nothing else
has touched it.

This seems to be a sort of unpredictable, say 2 or 3 times weekly,
instability.

mike

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:01:14 -0500, glee wrote:

You have the "Follow-up To" setting for your message listed as *only* alt.windows98
group, yet you posted in 3 different groups including the MS group I am reading this
from. If you cannot check the groups you post to, do not post to them. I am adding
the MS group I am replying from, to the reply list. How can you expect people to
reply if you will not allow the responses and follow-ups to be posted in the groups
they are reading?? Many if not most potential helpers will simply pass your post by
for this reason.

When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button, and
post back with the EXACT details, *word for word*, up to but not including the
memory registers.

Do you, or did you ever, have the Novell networking client installed?
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180

OK EXPLORER has crashed three times today (it's about 11:40am Wed 2 Mar
down here) below are the diagnostics clipped straight out of the dialogue
box.

In another place someone has suggested it might be a shell extension
problem - some of those I have are avast! virus scanner, copy using
Leechget, Quickzip and I think their are some others. I have a link to a
tool that claims to allow one to view them and enable/dfisable them, I will
get it later and see what it does.

EXPLORER has crashed at least 3 times while I've been writing this email -
note that I have been right clicking all over in order to find the shell
extensions. One of the errors was that Internet Explorer had fallen over -
as usual it's not running Firefox, Thunderbird & 4D are the main apps
running.

Another problem I have is when shutting the system down, if I select
Restart the system often wedges with the Windows is Shutting Down splash on
display. If I select Shut Down then 99% of the time the system switches
itself off. When Restart wedge occurs I hit the reset switch, on most
(80-90%) occasions SCANDISK is not run. I have been loathe to link this
problem which is very minor with the other, but I'm beginning to wonder -
what is Windows doing when the splash displays are on show ?

================================================== =====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module unknown at 0000:01e35ba4.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=016f EIP=01e35ba4 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=0059f918 SS=0177 ESP=0059f8c8 EBP=0059f8e4
ECX=02000fe7 DS=0177 ESI=0000893c FS=314f
EDX=00008958 ES=0177 EDI=0059f8cc GS=46bf
Bytes at CS:EIP:

Stack dump:
bff7363b 000002b0 0000001c 00000000 fffdf0d5 89160cff 00000177 0059f8f8
bff94407 46bf893c 000046bf 00000000 bff719b8 00008936 0059ff68 bff7186d

================================================== =====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff9db61.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=016f EIP=bff9db61 EFLGS=00010212
EBX=0059ff68 SS=0177 ESP=0055ff54 EBP=005601f0
ECX=00000000 DS=0177 ESI=00000000 FS=2d9f
EDX=bff76855 ES=0177 EDI=bff79138 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 8b 15 e4 9c fc bf 56 89 4d e4 57 89 4d dc 89
Stack dump:
================================================== ====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff9db61.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=016f EIP=bff9db61 EFLGS=00010212
EBX=0059ff68 SS=0177 ESP=0055ff54 EBP=005601f0
ECX=00000000 DS=0177 ESI=00000000 FS=2d9f
EDX=bff76855 ES=0177 EDI=bff79138 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 8b 15 e4 9c fc bf 56 89 4d e4 57 89 4d dc 89
Stack dump:
================================================== =========
EXPLORER caused a general protection fault
in module USER.EXE at 0003:00008fb3.
Registers:
EAX=000021f4 CS=17b7 EIP=00008fb3 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=494f ESP=00008bd8 EBP=00008bda
ECX=000245b7 DS=16bf ESI=00001267 FS=4947
EDX=81787768 ES=45b7 EDI=00000177 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8e c6 26 39 06 16 00 74 4c 8b 36 4e 01 0b f6 74
Stack dump:
8c000000 21f490a8 49470177 01770000 fff9c993 13e20000 016fbff7 41e90000
000145b7 00100001 05e88c0c 81cc17b7 05ed0002 00288c54 03c401a7 50004d2d

Have you gone through the procedure described he
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180
as I mentioned earlier?

Yes, it could also be related to one of the context menu items.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"PhilD" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 08:01:14 -0500, glee wrote:

You have the "Follow-up To" setting for your message listed as *only*
alt.windows98
group, yet you posted in 3 different groups including the MS group I am reading
this
from. If you cannot check the groups you post to, do not post to them. I am
adding
the MS group I am replying from, to the reply list. How can you expect people
to
reply if you will not allow the responses and follow-ups to be posted in the
groups
they are reading?? Many if not most potential helpers will simply pass your
post by
for this reason.

When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button,
and
post back with the EXACT details, *word for word*, up to but not including the
memory registers.

Do you, or did you ever, have the Novell networking client installed?
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on
Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180

OK EXPLORER has crashed three times today (it's about 11:40am Wed 2 Mar
down here) below are the diagnostics clipped straight out of the dialogue
box.

In another place someone has suggested it might be a shell extension
problem - some of those I have are avast! virus scanner, copy using
Leechget, Quickzip and I think their are some others. I have a link to a
tool that claims to allow one to view them and enable/dfisable them, I will
get it later and see what it does.

EXPLORER has crashed at least 3 times while I've been writing this email -
note that I have been right clicking all over in order to find the shell
extensions. One of the errors was that Internet Explorer had fallen over -
as usual it's not running Firefox, Thunderbird & 4D are the main apps
running.

Another problem I have is when shutting the system down, if I select
Restart the system often wedges with the Windows is Shutting Down splash on
display. If I select Shut Down then 99% of the time the system switches
itself off. When Restart wedge occurs I hit the reset switch, on most
(80-90%) occasions SCANDISK is not run. I have been loathe to link this
problem which is very minor with the other, but I'm beginning to wonder -
what is Windows doing when the splash displays are on show ?

================================================== =====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module unknown at 0000:01e35ba4.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=016f EIP=01e35ba4 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=0059f918 SS=0177 ESP=0059f8c8 EBP=0059f8e4
ECX=02000fe7 DS=0177 ESI=0000893c FS=314f
EDX=00008958 ES=0177 EDI=0059f8cc GS=46bf
Bytes at CS:EIP:

Stack dump:
bff7363b 000002b0 0000001c 00000000 fffdf0d5 89160cff 00000177 0059f8f8
bff94407 46bf893c 000046bf 00000000 bff719b8 00008936 0059ff68 bff7186d

================================================== =====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff9db61.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=016f EIP=bff9db61 EFLGS=00010212
EBX=0059ff68 SS=0177 ESP=0055ff54 EBP=005601f0
ECX=00000000 DS=0177 ESI=00000000 FS=2d9f
EDX=bff76855 ES=0177 EDI=bff79138 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 8b 15 e4 9c fc bf 56 89 4d e4 57 89 4d dc 89
Stack dump:
================================================== ====
EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff9db61.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=016f EIP=bff9db61 EFLGS=00010212
EBX=0059ff68 SS=0177 ESP=0055ff54 EBP=005601f0
ECX=00000000 DS=0177 ESI=00000000 FS=2d9f
EDX=bff76855 ES=0177 EDI=bff79138 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 8b 15 e4 9c fc bf 56 89 4d e4 57 89 4d dc 89
Stack dump:
================================================== =========
EXPLORER caused a general protection fault
in module USER.EXE at 0003:00008fb3.
Registers:
EAX=000021f4 CS=17b7 EIP=00008fb3 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=494f ESP=00008bd8 EBP=00008bda
ECX=000245b7 DS=16bf ESI=00001267 FS=4947
EDX=81787768 ES=45b7 EDI=00000177 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8e c6 26 39 06 16 00 74 4c 8b 36 4e 01 0b f6 74
Stack dump:
8c000000 21f490a8 49470177 01770000 fff9c993 13e20000 016fbff7 41e90000
000145b7 00100001 05e88c0c 81cc17b7 05ed0002 00288c54 03c401a7 50004d2d

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:35:28 -0500, glee wrote:

Have you gone through the procedure described he
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180
as I mentioned earlier?

Yes, it could also be related to one of the context menu items.

Yes I have, as I said in an earlier post their are NO references to Novell
in the registry.

I can now confirm that this machine has never been connected to a Novell
network, in it's corporate life it was only ever connected to a TCP/IP
network communicating with HP and SUN hosts and via an IP/SNA gateway to
IBM 3090 mainframes. All of which was wiped from the hard drive via a
reformat when it got retrenched.

After disabling all non Microsoft Shell Extensions using the utility
located at http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html I have had no faults
even tho I have been trying to make them happen for about 2-3 hours.
remember this morning I got about 10 faults and I wasn't even trying.

Soooo, it looks like it's one of the shell extensions, of the 10 installed
I really only need to keep a couple, I can forego the others. It could be
a combinatorial effect - the horror of testing 9! combinations looms nigh
as does the prospect of watching vendors point their respective fingers at
one another.

If Mike Ring is watching he might want to grab shexview to see if it can
help solve his similiar but apparently less severe problem.

Oh and since knocking out all the shell extensions the system performance
has improved markedly wrt file manipulations. I just moved 276 files in a
few seconds, it would have taken a few minutes this morning, that is if
explorer has stayed up that long.

Yup, the shell extension viewer is a great tool. I have it here also. You don't
have to do 9 combinations.....disable half at a time, if that fixes it, enable all
and disable half of that half, and so forth. The rule of halves. You will be able
to narrow it down quicker that way.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"PhilD" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:35:28 -0500, glee wrote:

Have you gone through the procedure described he
"Invalid Page Fault in Module" Error Message When You Click Properties on
Shortcut
Menu:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311180
as I mentioned earlier?

Yes, it could also be related to one of the context menu items.

Yes I have, as I said in an earlier post their are NO references to Novell
in the registry.

I can now confirm that this machine has never been connected to a Novell
network, in it's corporate life it was only ever connected to a TCP/IP
network communicating with HP and SUN hosts and via an IP/SNA gateway to
IBM 3090 mainframes. All of which was wiped from the hard drive via a
reformat when it got retrenched.

After disabling all non Microsoft Shell Extensions using the utility
located at http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html I have had no faults
even tho I have been trying to make them happen for about 2-3 hours.
remember this morning I got about 10 faults and I wasn't even trying.

Soooo, it looks like it's one of the shell extensions, of the 10 installed
I really only need to keep a couple, I can forego the others. It could be
a combinatorial effect - the horror of testing 9! combinations looms nigh
as does the prospect of watching vendors point their respective fingers at
one another.

If Mike Ring is watching he might want to grab shexview to see if it can
help solve his similiar but apparently less severe problem.

Oh and since knocking out all the shell extensions the system performance
has improved markedly wrt file manipulations. I just moved 276 files in a
few seconds, it would have taken a few minutes this morning, that is if
explorer has stayed up that long.

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:14:14 +1100, PhilD wrote:

I have the suspicion that this problem has been dealt with many times over.

I experience repeated failures in EXPLORER.EXE most often when I use
Windows Explorer, when I context (right) click on icons on the desktop and
especially if I dare look at the properties of a file (object). The
problem is usually an illegal operation.

It also happens when I exit programs using the "x" button, if I exit using
the File menu or similar it seems to occur less frequently.

Sometimes the error is reported as being Internet Explorer, even tho IE is
not running - I use Moz (am in the process of switching to Firefox), I only
use IE for WU and a couple of other sites that only want to work with IE.

I have searched MSKB (Microsoft Windows 98 explorer.exe illegal operation)
and done things like getting a fresh copy of OLE32.DLL off the CD-ROM,
checking to ensure there isn't an old version of EXPLORER.EXE in C:\ etc.
But the problem persists, today I have decided to find a solution.

If anyone knows of stable FREE file mangler that isn't just another
representation of EXPLORER.EXE, hence inheriting the instability of that
program, please let me know - that would solve 80% of my problems.

Oh, when the problem occurs it often takes most of the System Tray with it
- well it sort of takes it, the programs are still executing but their
icons disappear which for some apps is a nuisance - eg 3M's Post It Lite,
how I love that program a clipboard for humans.

I am as certain as one can ever be that my problems were being caused by
shell extension glitches. I have Identified two extensions that
individually cause relatively minor annoyances. However when both are
present they are almost "lethal", fortunately neither is one of the three I
really wanted to keep.

So I have what I want, a relatively stable system with the shell extensions
I need, hence I don't anticipate contributing further to this discussion.

I have contacted the vendors of the software containing the "dodgy"
extensions. I will not disclose their identities in this place at this
time, they deserve the opportunity to address the problems identified
first.

If anyone has a similar problem that's driving them nut's and they should
use the mailto address in my posts, but be aware that I only check it every
few days.

Glen, 9! should have had a :-). I didn't have to use the rule of halves
either, intuition enabled be to narrow it down pretty quickly once I had
the hint that it might be a shell extension.

Lesson learnt - pay attention to install dialogues, if asked whether I want
shell extensions only say yes if I REALLY NEED them. If I'm not asked use
shexview to determine if the app installed any without asking. If I don't
need them then consider disabling them, and BLAST the vendor for not
asking.

Once again thanks to all :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

rgds phild

PS : now I'll go figure why my NG client does not default follow ups to the
NGs to which the message was posted.

PhilD wrote in
:
ither is one of the

Once again thanks to all :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

rgds phild

PS : now I'll go figure why my NG client does not default follow ups
to the NGs to which the message was posted.


Thanks from me, too.

My problem is clearly nowhere near as bad as Phil's - I'm still waiting for
a recurrence, but it *will* come back.

(I hadn't the first clue where to look)

The shexview prog is a great tool, thanks a lot

mike