Opera

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U10
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npdeploytk.dll
Delete it or Rename it to npdeploytk.dl_

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U19
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npjp2.dll
Delete it or Rename it to npjp2.dl_

In doing so will stop all Java in all THE MOZILLA FAMILY like NT, FF, GC
The Google One..






"glee" wrote in message
...
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a global
or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences menu for all
users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The option was
removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible, for said users
to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring to apply to earlier
versions of Opera, when there was still an option to enable or disable
Java on a per site basis. They do not work with the current version.
Again, since you are insisting this can be done on Opera 10.5x, show me
how. The links you have supplied either discuss disabling JavaScript but
not Java, or describe how to do it on earlier versions of Opera.

The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that even
the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored in version
10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE basis, in Opera
10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you are not using Opera
10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on and on
about how it can be done...prove it.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U10
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npdeploytk.dll
Delete it or Rename it to npdeploytk.dl_

Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U19
C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\new_plugin\npjp2.dll
Delete it or Rename it to npjp2.dl_

In doing so will stop all Java in all THE MOZILLA FAMILY like NT, FF, GC
The Google One..






"glee" wrote in message
...
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a global
or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences menu for all
users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The option was
removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible, for said users
to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring to apply to earlier
versions of Opera, when there was still an option to enable or disable
Java on a per site basis. They do not work with the current version.
Again, since you are insisting this can be done on Opera 10.5x, show me
how. The links you have supplied either discuss disabling JavaScript but
not Java, or describe how to do it on earlier versions of Opera.

The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that even
the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored in version
10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE basis, in Opera
10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you are not using Opera
10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on and on
about how it can be done...prove it.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds
and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences
menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring
to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with
the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on
earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue...
and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational
sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that
the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via
a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable
ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only
be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored
in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was
a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on
and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug
in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at
what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of
other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment, and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums, or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8

If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no longer
available.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds
and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences
menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring
to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with
the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on
earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue...
and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational
sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that
the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via
a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable
ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only
be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored
in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was
a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on
and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug
in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at
what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of
other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment, and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums, or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8

If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no longer
available.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

On 04/30/2010 09:17 AM, glee wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue... and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment, and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums, or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8


If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yeah, AS SUPPLIED BY OPERA presently; I read that discussion and
several dozen others ON Opera and elsewhere; searched several dozen
sites for HAS been done to modify Opera and JAVA; refreshed my knowledge
on "java script" and JAVA; re-looked at the actual FF plug-in coding,
and I can see the areas which could potentially be used when compared
against Opera and its coding.
You want to whine, instead, why don't YOU write the new plug-in that
DOES allow JAVA disablement or work with the coders that are addressing
these and other issues, that seems far more productive.
I'm not professing anything like what you are attempting to infer
and/or stating; I AM indicating that if you rely upon many programmers
you will NEVER get what you want or what was/is needed to correct or
modify THEIR programs, nor information on HOW to control their
programs/applications - like Windows, or FireFox, or now Opera. If
enough Opera users complain or work on/with the Opera developers I would
bet you can get that checkbox "per site" function back.

BTW: the "disable one plug-in alone on per site basis" ISN'T what we
are supposedly addressing in this discussion beyond noting it was
removed, we are supposedly looking for ways to deal with these supposed
issues and applicable methods regarding JAVA and its usage and blockage.


Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no longer
available.

Oh wow, there's another duuuuhhhh moment... that WAS what we were
discussing wasn't it... glad you reminded me...

I have directed to the parties actually working on modifications and
plug-ins; files that potentially can/could be used; methodologies and
actual coding examples;, and several other necessary parts for both an
understanding of WHAT needs addressed and WHERE the potentials lay; now
point to ANYTHING you have posted which shows anything of value for
actually dealing with/addressing the purported issue.

AND MY POINT: you can sit there and whine and complain or you can make
an effort to do something about it or change it, or modify it; just like
everything else on this planet or in your life.

It was great that this was brought here for discussion to point out
this issue, its quite another when all YOU do is whine... and make
comments to me like *I'M* responsible for creating something YOU want
for YOUR OS, and in the childish "prove it" nonsense. I now use an OS in
which *I* have the ability to define/control just about any activity and
to what extent *I* allow it via the myriad of config and other settings
or direct code modifications available. If I choose, I can/could limit
just about anything or its access and/or abilities.

How about YOU PROVE beyond any modification or script, that it is
impossible to disable JAVA, I dare you [see how that's pretty childish
and stupid as there are ways to do so].

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

On 04/30/2010 09:17 AM, glee wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications. The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue... and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is ignored in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment, and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums, or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8


If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yeah, AS SUPPLIED BY OPERA presently; I read that discussion and
several dozen others ON Opera and elsewhere; searched several dozen
sites for HAS been done to modify Opera and JAVA; refreshed my knowledge
on "java script" and JAVA; re-looked at the actual FF plug-in coding,
and I can see the areas which could potentially be used when compared
against Opera and its coding.
You want to whine, instead, why don't YOU write the new plug-in that
DOES allow JAVA disablement or work with the coders that are addressing
these and other issues, that seems far more productive.
I'm not professing anything like what you are attempting to infer
and/or stating; I AM indicating that if you rely upon many programmers
you will NEVER get what you want or what was/is needed to correct or
modify THEIR programs, nor information on HOW to control their
programs/applications - like Windows, or FireFox, or now Opera. If
enough Opera users complain or work on/with the Opera developers I would
bet you can get that checkbox "per site" function back.

BTW: the "disable one plug-in alone on per site basis" ISN'T what we
are supposedly addressing in this discussion beyond noting it was
removed, we are supposedly looking for ways to deal with these supposed
issues and applicable methods regarding JAVA and its usage and blockage.


Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no longer
available.

Oh wow, there's another duuuuhhhh moment... that WAS what we were
discussing wasn't it... glad you reminded me...

I have directed to the parties actually working on modifications and
plug-ins; files that potentially can/could be used; methodologies and
actual coding examples;, and several other necessary parts for both an
understanding of WHAT needs addressed and WHERE the potentials lay; now
point to ANYTHING you have posted which shows anything of value for
actually dealing with/addressing the purported issue.

AND MY POINT: you can sit there and whine and complain or you can make
an effort to do something about it or change it, or modify it; just like
everything else on this planet or in your life.

It was great that this was brought here for discussion to point out
this issue, its quite another when all YOU do is whine... and make
comments to me like *I'M* responsible for creating something YOU want
for YOUR OS, and in the childish "prove it" nonsense. I now use an OS in
which *I* have the ability to define/control just about any activity and
to what extent *I* allow it via the myriad of config and other settings
or direct code modifications available. If I choose, I can/could limit
just about anything or its access and/or abilities.

How about YOU PROVE beyond any modification or script, that it is
impossible to disable JAVA, I dare you [see how that's pretty childish
and stupid as there are ways to do so].

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/30/2010 09:17 AM, glee wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds
and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences
menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications.
The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not
impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring
to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option
to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with
the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done
on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either
discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on
earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue...
and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational
sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion
AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that
the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled
via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable
ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only
be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out
that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is
ignored in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently
you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that
have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis
was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on
and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your
links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE
would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug
in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you
could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at
what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of
other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later
corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment,
and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any
code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like
Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums,
or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that
YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8


If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk
van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer
any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that
Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess
to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yeah, AS SUPPLIED BY OPERA presently; I read that discussion and
several dozen others ON Opera and elsewhere; searched several dozen
sites for HAS been done to modify Opera and JAVA; refreshed my
knowledge
on "java script" and JAVA; re-looked at the actual FF plug-in coding,
and I can see the areas which could potentially be used when compared
against Opera and its coding.
You want to whine, instead, why don't YOU write the new plug-in that
DOES allow JAVA disablement or work with the coders that are
addressing
these and other issues, that seems far more productive.
I'm not professing anything like what you are attempting to infer
and/or stating; I AM indicating that if you rely upon many programmers
you will NEVER get what you want or what was/is needed to correct or
modify THEIR programs, nor information on HOW to control their
programs/applications - like Windows, or FireFox, or now Opera. If
enough Opera users complain or work on/with the Opera developers I
would
bet you can get that checkbox "per site" function back.

BTW: the "disable one plug-in alone on per site basis" ISN'T what we
are supposedly addressing in this discussion beyond noting it was
removed, we are supposedly looking for ways to deal with these
supposed
issues and applicable methods regarding JAVA and its usage and
blockage.


Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained
the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do
that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no
longer
available.

Oh wow, there's another duuuuhhhh moment... that WAS what we were
discussing wasn't it... glad you reminded me...

I have directed to the parties actually working on modifications and
plug-ins; files that potentially can/could be used; methodologies and
actual coding examples;, and several other necessary parts for both an
understanding of WHAT needs addressed and WHERE the potentials lay;
now
point to ANYTHING you have posted which shows anything of value for
actually dealing with/addressing the purported issue.

AND MY POINT: you can sit there and whine and complain or you can make
an effort to do something about it or change it, or modify it; just
like
everything else on this planet or in your life.

It was great that this was brought here for discussion to point out
this issue, its quite another when all YOU do is whine... and make
comments to me like *I'M* responsible for creating something YOU want
for YOUR OS, and in the childish "prove it" nonsense. I now use an OS
in
which *I* have the ability to define/control just about any activity
and
to what extent *I* allow it via the myriad of config and other
settings
or direct code modifications available. If I choose, I can/could limit
just about anything or its access and/or abilities.

How about YOU PROVE beyond any modification or script, that it is
impossible to disable JAVA, I dare you [see how that's pretty childish
and stupid as there are ways to do so].


LOL...the only person being childish in this thread is you, MEB. Your
rude and condescending responses to Bill Blanton and myself, you refusal
to show one concrete example where Java can be disabled "per site" while
continuing to insist it can be done, your current frothing and
ranting......

Every time someone has asked you for clarification and to show a working
example, you run around the question, attacking the questioner's
intelligence or abilities, instead of giving any concrete useful answer
or working example.

Have you even tried BlockIt, the script you recommended, with Opera
10.5x? I've added it, and it blocks images and some scripts.....but it
does nothing to block Java. Applets load and run unfettered.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/30/2010 09:17 AM, glee wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message
...
On 04/29/2010 11:44 PM, glee wrote:
Geez....you've missed the entire point. There was, for many builds
and
versions of Opera, a simple checkbox to enable or disable Java on a
global or per site basis, readily available through the Preferences
menu
for all users, without having to resort to buried modifications.
The
option was removed, making it much more difficult, if not
impossible,
for said users to adjust the setting. The links you keep referring
to
apply to earlier versions of Opera, when there was still an option
to
enable or disable Java on a per site basis. They do not work with
the
current version. Again, since you are insisting this can be done
on
Opera 10.5x, show me how. The links you have supplied either
discuss
disabling JavaScript but not Java, or describe how to do it on
earlier
versions of Opera.

NO, I USED Opera, so I'm not ignoring the checkbox missing issue...
and
LOOK on the Opera forums and for the other informational
sites/blogs/etc.

BTW No, 10.5* was being discussed in THAT prior linked discussion
AND
you will find the other v10 being discussed in other linked or
referenced materials... ON OPERA..


The reason they do not work, and the checkbox was removed, is that
the
devs have changed the way Opera handles Java....it is now handled
via a
plug-in. The only user-friendly way to disable Java is to disable
ALL
plug-ins. Disabling Java without disabling other plug-ins can only
be
done GLOBALLY now, through the plugin-ignore.ini. It turns out
that
even the option to disable Java globally via opera:config is
ignored in
version 10.5x. There is no way to disable only Java on a PER SITE
basis, in Opera 10.5x. THAT is the point being made. Apparently
you
are not using Opera 10.5x and are not aware of the changes that
have
been made.

Jackson stated the inability to control Java on a per site basis
was a
show stopper for him. I reiterated his position. You have gone on
and
on about how it can be done...prove it.


Man,, you have become awful whiny Windows user... WHERE are your
links
to the discussions/information you are stating/referencing??? You do
know I have TRIED to put some actual info into this discussion..
Yeah I noted the plug in issue researching YOUR issues, so WHERE
would
the modification be made... think it might be the controlling plug
in...
or another plug in or user script.. or STILL available via other
methods...

Come on man, just HOW do you think your browser receives its java
orders, oh wait I DID direct you to SUN "Beginners" pages so you
could
look at the elements, page inclusions and other that would be the
identifiers/page elements to BLOCK... AND even provided a couple...
and DID note the user.css - that's CSS3 BTW, might want to look at
what
can be done with that...

ALSO please post *YOUR* personal contacts with the *developers* of
Opera pursuant this issue. I see ZERO links in your posts...
Have ALL of you forgotten the PRIOR issues such as disablement of
other
"features" for a couple *SUB* versions that were later
corrected...and
generally due to input on *OPERA'S forums*...

And BTW I SPECIFICALLY stated I wasn't using Opera at the moment,
and
my installation ISN'T going to help a Windows user, nor would any
code
modifications FOR LINUX unless via a plug in or something like
Blockit
[a plug in using Opera's built-in support]... did you even bother to
contact that creator/coder or any of the others on Opera's forums,
or
others offering coding/plug-ins for work-arounds?
Yes?, links and/or personal contact indications please.
No?, then...

You could actually read the complete thread in one of the links that
YOU
supplied earlier:
http://groups.google.com/group/opera...561d324362c6b8


If you read the entire thread, including the info supplied by Rijk
van
Geijtenbeek from Opera Software ASA, you will see there is no longer
any
option to disable one plug-in alone on a PER SITE basis, and that
Java
is now handled as a plug-in, which was not the case in earlier
versions....but then you should already know that since you profess
to
be so versed in the workings of Opera.

Yeah, AS SUPPLIED BY OPERA presently; I read that discussion and
several dozen others ON Opera and elsewhere; searched several dozen
sites for HAS been done to modify Opera and JAVA; refreshed my
knowledge
on "java script" and JAVA; re-looked at the actual FF plug-in coding,
and I can see the areas which could potentially be used when compared
against Opera and its coding.
You want to whine, instead, why don't YOU write the new plug-in that
DOES allow JAVA disablement or work with the coders that are
addressing
these and other issues, that seems far more productive.
I'm not professing anything like what you are attempting to infer
and/or stating; I AM indicating that if you rely upon many programmers
you will NEVER get what you want or what was/is needed to correct or
modify THEIR programs, nor information on HOW to control their
programs/applications - like Windows, or FireFox, or now Opera. If
enough Opera users complain or work on/with the Opera developers I
would
bet you can get that checkbox "per site" function back.

BTW: the "disable one plug-in alone on per site basis" ISN'T what we
are supposedly addressing in this discussion beyond noting it was
removed, we are supposedly looking for ways to deal with these
supposed
issues and applicable methods regarding JAVA and its usage and
blockage.


Yet still you go on, with no specifics whatsoever, about CSS tweaking
and other "methods" to do this, even after I've repeatedly explained
the
point we are making here.....that the majority of users do not do
that
type of tweaking, and the previously available GUI options are no
longer
available.

Oh wow, there's another duuuuhhhh moment... that WAS what we were
discussing wasn't it... glad you reminded me...

I have directed to the parties actually working on modifications and
plug-ins; files that potentially can/could be used; methodologies and
actual coding examples;, and several other necessary parts for both an
understanding of WHAT needs addressed and WHERE the potentials lay;
now
point to ANYTHING you have posted which shows anything of value for
actually dealing with/addressing the purported issue.

AND MY POINT: you can sit there and whine and complain or you can make
an effort to do something about it or change it, or modify it; just
like
everything else on this planet or in your life.

It was great that this was brought here for discussion to point out
this issue, its quite another when all YOU do is whine... and make
comments to me like *I'M* responsible for creating something YOU want
for YOUR OS, and in the childish "prove it" nonsense. I now use an OS
in
which *I* have the ability to define/control just about any activity
and
to what extent *I* allow it via the myriad of config and other
settings
or direct code modifications available. If I choose, I can/could limit
just about anything or its access and/or abilities.

How about YOU PROVE beyond any modification or script, that it is
impossible to disable JAVA, I dare you [see how that's pretty childish
and stupid as there are ways to do so].


LOL...the only person being childish in this thread is you, MEB. Your
rude and condescending responses to Bill Blanton and myself, you refusal
to show one concrete example where Java can be disabled "per site" while
continuing to insist it can be done, your current frothing and
ranting......

Every time someone has asked you for clarification and to show a working
example, you run around the question, attacking the questioner's
intelligence or abilities, instead of giving any concrete useful answer
or working example.

Have you even tried BlockIt, the script you recommended, with Opera
10.5x? I've added it, and it blocks images and some scripts.....but it
does nothing to block Java. Applets load and run unfettered.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

On 4/30/2010 04:35, MEB.peoplescounsel wrote:
On 04/29/2010 11:17 PM, Bill Blanton wrote:
On 4/29/2010 16:48, MEB wrote:
On 04/29/2010 12:08 AM, glee wrote:

Where is the per site ability to disable Java described in that 2-page
forum thread? Show me.

Page 2 of the discussion, note the coding examples; follow the
sub-links and the parties/entity’s [discussing coding] own coding
examples elsewhere...

Where exactly (link) is the code to disable Java? All I see is code to
selectively disable javascript.

Is the plug-in created in a coding language? Ah yeah..
If you noted the style of coding you should have noted "variables".
Variables YOU define, think you can handle the rest from there...
Did you note how to "enable" all materials on a specific site [page 2
of that discussion], did you note mention of white-listing, so the
opposite is what...


Enable / Disable Java, plugins or JavaScript
Tools Quick Preferences Enable Java, plugins or JavaScript


As was mentioned, the checkbox you descibe here no longer exists for
Java.

User CSS
View Style Author/User mode Shift+G(?)

Blocking all unneeded content on pages
Tools » Advanced » Blocked Content
Any resource can be blocked by Opera's content blocker: html, image,
plugin, css, javascript, etc., any content matching a wildcard.

Disabling Java, Plugins, Javascripts
Ctrl+F12 » Advanced » Content


No, not Java...the option has been removed.

So you are claiming you CAN'T use anything to disable JAVA? And per
your discussions elsewhere, the ONLY way is to not install JAVA, is this
correct per your knowledge? Is this your statement?

So per you, you no longer have the ability to use the user.css, modify
and/or create *.ini files, nor any other abilities where you can
make/roll-your-own buttons and other functions to replace the missing
elements/functions OR create your own?

Please explain how you can "roll-your-own button" that will integrate
with a program (Opera in this case) using an *.ini file or css. Post
specific *.ini or *.css code that does this.


The information is on Opera. And let me guess, you haven't added or
read how to add a button to the Opera menu/browser bar.... the button
"links" to whatever your attempting to run/open or "runs" the coding {as
you configured it}.. gee, just like most other GUI activities when you
add a button...

The "css" integration comes via the still apparently included
Author/User mode... the *.ini "pre-defines" various abilities/settings..


OR is it more of a "lets ignore it may be temporarily necessary" or a
*temporary mistake* to not have this function.. while ignoring you COULD
block JAVA and just about anything else IF you took some time and made a
few changes. Gees, I thought Windows users bitched when they COULDN'T
control their applications, here you're complaining its too
inconvenient ...


One could also use/block the indicators:
APPLET ... /APPLET
*.jsp
*.jar
etc.

Please explain this also. Theapplet tag doesn't "block the
indicators" (your words). It's used to enable them.


No NOT my words, if you're going to make a false statement at least cut
the actual material you're misquoting... it says:
One could also use/block the indicators:

THAT MEANS:
Strip the "indicators" from the page, duhhhhhhhhhhh, you know "block
it" in the same fashion used by other browser plug-ins like No Script
[FF] and the Opera Blockit effort, or via other methods that run prior
or during page load/processing...


Lots of non information dressed up with techno-babble, as usual, to
smoke up any facts.

Now why don't you explain why you are playing ignorant..

Aww, you hurt me MEB.

On 4/30/2010 04:35, MEB.peoplescounsel wrote:
On 04/29/2010 11:17 PM, Bill Blanton wrote:
On 4/29/2010 16:48, MEB wrote:
On 04/29/2010 12:08 AM, glee wrote:

Where is the per site ability to disable Java described in that 2-page
forum thread? Show me.

Page 2 of the discussion, note the coding examples; follow the
sub-links and the parties/entity’s [discussing coding] own coding
examples elsewhere...

Where exactly (link) is the code to disable Java? All I see is code to
selectively disable javascript.

Is the plug-in created in a coding language? Ah yeah..
If you noted the style of coding you should have noted "variables".
Variables YOU define, think you can handle the rest from there...
Did you note how to "enable" all materials on a specific site [page 2
of that discussion], did you note mention of white-listing, so the
opposite is what...


Enable / Disable Java, plugins or JavaScript
Tools Quick Preferences Enable Java, plugins or JavaScript


As was mentioned, the checkbox you descibe here no longer exists for
Java.

User CSS
View Style Author/User mode Shift+G(?)

Blocking all unneeded content on pages
Tools » Advanced » Blocked Content
Any resource can be blocked by Opera's content blocker: html, image,
plugin, css, javascript, etc., any content matching a wildcard.

Disabling Java, Plugins, Javascripts
Ctrl+F12 » Advanced » Content


No, not Java...the option has been removed.

So you are claiming you CAN'T use anything to disable JAVA? And per
your discussions elsewhere, the ONLY way is to not install JAVA, is this
correct per your knowledge? Is this your statement?

So per you, you no longer have the ability to use the user.css, modify
and/or create *.ini files, nor any other abilities where you can
make/roll-your-own buttons and other functions to replace the missing
elements/functions OR create your own?

Please explain how you can "roll-your-own button" that will integrate
with a program (Opera in this case) using an *.ini file or css. Post
specific *.ini or *.css code that does this.


The information is on Opera. And let me guess, you haven't added or
read how to add a button to the Opera menu/browser bar.... the button
"links" to whatever your attempting to run/open or "runs" the coding {as
you configured it}.. gee, just like most other GUI activities when you
add a button...

The "css" integration comes via the still apparently included
Author/User mode... the *.ini "pre-defines" various abilities/settings..


OR is it more of a "lets ignore it may be temporarily necessary" or a
*temporary mistake* to not have this function.. while ignoring you COULD
block JAVA and just about anything else IF you took some time and made a
few changes. Gees, I thought Windows users bitched when they COULDN'T
control their applications, here you're complaining its too
inconvenient ...


One could also use/block the indicators:
APPLET ... /APPLET
*.jsp
*.jar
etc.

Please explain this also. Theapplet tag doesn't "block the
indicators" (your words). It's used to enable them.


No NOT my words, if you're going to make a false statement at least cut
the actual material you're misquoting... it says:
One could also use/block the indicators:

THAT MEANS:
Strip the "indicators" from the page, duhhhhhhhhhhh, you know "block
it" in the same fashion used by other browser plug-ins like No Script
[FF] and the Opera Blockit effort, or via other methods that run prior
or during page load/processing...


Lots of non information dressed up with techno-babble, as usual, to
smoke up any facts.

Now why don't you explain why you are playing ignorant..

Aww, you hurt me MEB.