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Old February 15th 05, 12:14 PM
Delboy
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Thanks for the feedback BarryG. No Norton, Using AVG Free, ZoneAlarm Free,
Spybot & AdAware

Still waiting to get the back off to check if it's a PCI card or not

Delboy

"BarryG" wrote in message
...
H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After much
hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver

4 I
was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with
WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.
Are you perchance using Norton AV (any version)? Try disabling it to see

if
that fixes your sound.

Good Luck.
BarryG

"Delboy" wrote:

Thanks Mart

Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any
feedback (neg or pos)

Cheers all

Delboy

"Mart" wrote in message
...
WDM = Windows Driver Model

If in the UK, try
http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp
and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R)

PCI
128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language.

Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a

reference
to
distortion issues.

Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you
always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager

in
Safe Mode.

Mart




"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the

speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette

deck.
(get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built

in
amp
in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative
Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers

or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed

an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots

(as
I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of

three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will

degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which

I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that

way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be
permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course

now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure

its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out

socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have

to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to

their
site and download a set.


Rick









  #12  
Old February 15th 05, 01:39 PM
Mart
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Try Everest Home Edition (freeware) from :-
http://www.lavalys.com/products.php?lang=en
It should give you further details of your system, soundcard and hardware.

Mart


"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the feedback BarryG. No Norton, Using AVG Free, ZoneAlarm Free,
Spybot & AdAware

Still waiting to get the back off to check if it's a PCI card or not

Delboy

"BarryG" wrote in message
...
H Dellboy,

I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After
much
hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver

4 I
was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with
WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x.
Are you perchance using Norton AV (any version)? Try disabling it to see

if
that fixes your sound.

Good Luck.
BarryG

"Delboy" wrote:

Thanks Mart

Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any
feedback (neg or pos)

Cheers all

Delboy

"Mart" wrote in message
...
WDM = Windows Driver Model

If in the UK, try
http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp
and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster
(R)

PCI
128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language.

Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a

reference
to
distortion issues.

Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest
you
always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager

in
Safe Mode.

Mart




"Delboy" wrote in message
...
Hi Rick

Thanks for the feedback.

Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM
desktop
speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the
speaker,
but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette

deck.
(get
the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built

in
amp
in
the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative
Recorder
from mic, line in or stereo mix sources.

What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or
drivers

or
what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain)
Do you think it might be a driver problem?

Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I
installed

an
ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots

(as
I
recall, but will take the back off to double check)

Does any of this change your thoughts?

Will get back when I have taken the back off

Delboy

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Delboy wrote:
Hi out there
Howdy.

I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of

three
things
will happen:-
1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will

degenerate
thro'
2 to 3 (below)
2 Distorted sound
3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows
start-up
chime)

I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card
which

I
believe
is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old
supplied
with a Time Computers machine.

Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that

way;
most likely a PCI card.


Question:-
1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be
permanently
disabled?

You can just yank it and put a newer one in.

(simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with
no improvement)

You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course

now
you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure

its a
removable card anyways)

as this is probably the cheapest solution

I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out

socket
gives
me the same effects.

How do you normally monitor it?


Does anyone out there have any advice?

*non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have

to
root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to

their
site and download a set.


Rick











  #13  
Old February 15th 05, 02:43 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see

Document ID:2000081409443906
Last Modified:02/26/2003
Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me

N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to the
release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page.
Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an uptodate
WinME box.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:21 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

" ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to
symantec."

Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton
product is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular.
I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant
problem, except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I
revert to a SR checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV
core sytem upgrade.

I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user
anymore. And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update
tool, used by many of their products.

Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules
are executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant
footprint.


That particular version is not. See he

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...852567ac006360
8c/82146342924c76428825693b005bdb05?OpenDocument&src= bar_sch_nam

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike



  #14  
Old February 16th 05, 08:04 AM
Noel Paton
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http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...&osv=&osv_lvl=

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see

Document ID:2000081409443906
Last Modified:02/26/2003
Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me

N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to
the
release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page.
Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an
uptodate
WinME box.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:21 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

" ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to
symantec."

Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton
product is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular.
I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant
problem, except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I
revert to a SR checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV
core sytem upgrade.

I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user
anymore. And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update
tool, used by many of their products.

Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules
are executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant
footprint.


That particular version is not. See he

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...852567ac006360
8c/82146342924c76428825693b005bdb05?OpenDocument&src= bar_sch_nam

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike





  #15  
Old February 16th 05, 10:29 PM
BarryG
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Was your Norton specifically for 95/98 or did it say 9x ?


Rick


Hi Rick,
The NAV I was using was labelled Win95/NT. I was using Win95 when I bought
it. There were several upgrades to NAV 4 to make it compatible with Win98.
When I upgraded from Win95 to WinME, I was more ignorant of WinME than I am
now, and I thought the NAV would just "keep on working". It was still
detecting and removing virii, just like it always did. But I never could get
WinME to work just right. It always had a stutututututter in the sou sou
sound. I rebuilt the machine a number of times trying to fix it and no matter
what I did I couldn't get it to work right.
One day 18 months ago, I just happened to stop NAV from loading at startup
and blow down if the machine didn't perform like it never had before! The
startup sound played without the usual stutututter, and any app I opened
worked very fast. I removed the NAV4 and loaded an OEM NIS2002 that came with
my motherboard. The sound then worked OK, but the whole machine ran like
treakle uphill on a cold day.
I removed the NIS 2002 and bought NIS 2004. It wouldn't run at all, so I
returned it for a refund, and loaded AVG Free and Zone Alarm, and I've been
flying ever since.
So, no, NAV4 was never claimed to be WinME compatible, that was my incorrect
assumption.
NIS 2002 WAS claimed to be compatible with WinME, but it wasn't, NIS 2004
WAS claimed to be compatible with WinME, but it wasn't either.

Good luck,
BarryG
  #16  
Old February 18th 05, 11:12 PM
B.J.Honeycut
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:44 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see

Document ID:2000081409443906
Last Modified:02/26/2003
Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me

N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior
to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the
page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on
an uptodate WinME box.


Hi Jack. He did say version 4.0, right? IIRC, that is not 2004, but 2000 or
something, maybe earlier. Do club me if I'm wrong.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike
  #17  
Old February 18th 05, 11:33 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using."


So, I think you are correct.
And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:44 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see

Document ID:2000081409443906
Last Modified:02/26/2003
Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me

N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior
to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the
page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on
an uptodate WinME box.


Hi Jack. He did say version 4.0, right? IIRC, that is not 2004, but 2000

or
something, maybe earlier. Do club me if I'm wrong.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike



  #18  
Old February 19th 05, 07:05 PM
B.J.Honeycut
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:33:03 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using."


So, I think you are correct.
And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing.


Not even with a good bbottle of wine? on my budget its the only way I could
afford one. bg (BTW, Cheryl and I have our anniversary in Oct, hint,
hint...)

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike
  #19  
Old February 20th 05, 01:49 AM
Jack E Martinelli
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While you are thinking about how I can get such a bottle to you and Cheryl,
try tasting the latest release of Martin Ray's "Angeline" brand of
California pinot noir. A really fine bargain at $10. The Chard isn't bad,
either.

No need to wait until October, ... bg
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:33:03 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware

As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using."


So, I think you are correct.
And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing.


Not even with a good bottle of wine? on my budget, it's the only way I

could
afford one. bg (BTW, Cheryl and I have our anniversary in Oct, hint,
hint...)

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike



 




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