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On 05/29/2010 04:23 AM, Hot-text wrote:
LOOL Sunny @ mynews.ath.cx I setup my own microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion + More of the old microsoft.public.OS's with Binaries mix is 4mb so you not be able to put up illegal software piracy on my just a littlie Pickers Img! I already discussed that issue with you personally: you have no authority to use Microsoft's property which includes these groups and hierarchy, and presentation format. I even explained to *you* HOW you could potentially avoid any issues. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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On 05/29/2010 04:23 AM, Hot-text wrote:
LOOL Sunny @ mynews.ath.cx I setup my own microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion + More of the old microsoft.public.OS's with Binaries mix is 4mb so you not be able to put up illegal software piracy on my just a littlie Pickers Img! I already discussed that issue with you personally: you have no authority to use Microsoft's property which includes these groups and hierarchy, and presentation format. I even explained to *you* HOW you could potentially avoid any issues. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/28/2010 10:46 PM, Hot-text wrote: True but IP# is block he need to get a new # he have 3 days to do it in are he miss um hmm snip And you really didn't accomplish much, they are already apparently working on these groups WITHOUT connection to Microsoft to keep them alive, by using a different "maintainer"; illegal, snip Illegal ? (only in your opinion. so far.) Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. Note this presentation here is also legally covered under my own site's Notice, which is attached and directed to in every posting done in and by me in this entity when discussing matters of potential or real import, just as it has been included here. Reproduced in relevant part from peoplescounsel.org under MY authority as found in the *LEGAL AND LAWFUL NOTICES* [copyright applies]: " *NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT* *NOTICE:* Any and or all parties, organizations, entities, or otherwise, grant right to publish without confinement and or further restraint any and or all: responses, e-mails, proceedings, documents and other which they might submit and or create and or author, concerning materials on this site; and or, to or of the author of this site; and or, to or of the ISP of this site; and or, to or of the parties mentioned upon the documents contained within this site; and or, to or of the individuals and or agents mentioned upon this page or elsewhere upon this site and or web and its inclusions."" You should note, of course, that all the usual worthless, baseless, and merit-less "arguments" have been raised and answered ALREADY; the Microsoft documents have been linked and/or posted; and other factors have already been discussed; as has, not uniquely, also occurred in this group previously. IOW, the same worthless arguments which refuse to recognized the applicable Law, contract obligation and control, personal liability, and other controlling factors and elements. " On 05/24/2010 01:53 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/21/2010 08:44 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/17/2010 02:11 AM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: What controls does any entity other than myself have over my server? Who can force me to carry, or not carry, any particular newsgroup? Who can force me to carry, or not carry, any particular article or set of articles? Since you all have apparently deliberately IGNORED direction to the actual linked and/or controlling elements [such as the actual article of creation posted in here] How is anything "controlling"? It seems to me that it is controlling for me only if either (1) there is a valid law with jurisdiction over me saying so, or (2) I have agreed to a contract saying so. I have not agreed to any such contracts, nor have I seen any actual laws saying so. Referring to "UN agreements, WIPO, blah blah blah" is not a reference to such a law. "US Code number this, section that" is such a reference. Microsoft has already done that for the world in its TOS, TOU, other documentation and legal resource references readily available to all and to which I directed you [by linked materials] and everyone else to, so have the U.S. courts, U.S. government and State government. So you attempt to "claim" ignorance, too bad, as you are well aware "ignorance of the Law is no excuse". Refusing to abide by it is illegal. USING Microsoft's property directly or indirectly WITHOUT written direct authorization has placed all parties under direct violation of the applicable Laws. You want to argue the applicability to YOU, then there are the courts. Good luck and take ALL your money and assets with you. Right now, you are in direct violation of numerous Laws. This was posted to a party within the microsoft.public.win98.gen-discussion group on the ONLY *authorized* point of access, Authorized, presumably, by Microsoft; but why should I care? Because you have no right to it. Per Microsoft's own documents, you never had any authority to the hierarchy in the first place, it is and was Microsoft's solely. I never claimed any authority to the hierarchy, only the authority over my own server. And thereby, so are you bound BY LAW if you use Microsoft's hierarchy WITHIN your server [which is YOUR supposed argument point]. You have no right to it. It is essentially stolen property. Its not yours and never was. Per Microsoft's own documents [such as the 1996 document our troll 98 Guy has repeatedly posted and provided to free servers, within numerous groups, and elsewhere] *only* Microsoft could serve those offerings. Microsoft can publish whatever documents it wishes. That does not make them binding on me. Microsoft, as you do [if not you better get a legal eagle to write one for you] has a TOU and TOS, and several other controlling aspects and documents which BIND all parties regardless, mere usage brings those forward. You didn't read them, so what, you were required to do so. Yes, you had better have read the TOU, EULA, and ALL other applicable attached to your Microsoft OS and products as well. You are bound SO TIGHTLY to and under Law, its a wonder you can breath. So your [and those without a clue here and elsewhere] ENTIRE purported legal argument is that you received these and sent these via some other party and that absolves you of all responsibility for that use, removes all binding Laws, provides shelter EVEN though you know there are property right, copyright, and other applicable on EVERYTHING, but not when in *your* server. That is the dumbest argument you can possibly raise and you are well aware of it. If not then you are dumb as a box of rocks or have been living in a "bubble" somewhere, you might want to look at the "real world". But guess what, that does NOT relieve you from your illegal activities. Not here in the U.S.A. or abroad. ** Now I will include the sent responses to the other ludicrous crap, rejected by the clueless moderator(s). TO the moderator(s): Hey, *There was NO worthwhile materials to quote nor worthy of argument.* Why would I quote or include any of that trash. And you MIGHT look at what I DID quote. Would you like me to make an issue of this against this group, the moderators AND Robert... I would have no problem doing so, if that's where you want to go with it. I'll remind you this IS a moderated group, and SUPPOSEDLY deals with legal activities and aspects. *** On 05/23/2010 06:29 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/17/2010 08:46 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: That website is a _hoot_! Caveat: eliminate edibles from the vicinity before visiting, they may end up on the monitor, otherwise. Guess what, so was I, all of your spouting of your "history" means nothing to me, because I was there and involved. Now, regardless of what you have said and would LOVE to claim, "you have no Laws or other which control you", you do. So I would say that whatever YOU post or have available, should be treated as clearly uninformed, baseless, and lacking in any needed intellect that is required in circumstances as this. ROTFLMAO Now had you actually paid attention to the two Bush era Supreme Court placements on something such as CSpan you would have found the relevance of the site's materials and their impact. You might also want to actually look at some of the response/impact in various courts, congress, and elsewhere. What can you indicate other than your failure to actually understand all elements needed for a proper discourse of the actual controlling facts and factors necessary to the discussions materials and parties engaged in these activities. This purported response by you certainly has nothing of actual value. --MEB *** On 05/24/2010 12:55 AM, Seth wrote: In article , Since you are obviously a legal expert, perhaps you might wish to provide the discussion on how these cases might impact or have bearing on the issues the issues being discussed [I would suggest you actually read them rather than the syllabus or similar so you understand what these actually do discuss]: Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 17 US 250 - 1819 Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394 Citizens United v Federal Election Commission No.08-205 You might also wish to include discussions on W.T.O., Free Trade Agreements, E.U. agreements, U.N. Treaties and agreements, and other similar and of impact on and to the issues of the discussion. --MEB " Seth posted the normal garbage which you all spout, added a few personal slights/attacks, and this was the response by me: " On 05/26/2010 03:09 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/24/2010 01:53 PM, Seth wrote: How is anything "controlling"? It seems to me that it is controlling for me only if either (1) there is a valid law with jurisdiction over me saying so, or (2) I have agreed to a contract saying so. I have not agreed to any such contracts, nor have I seen any actual laws saying so. Referring to "UN agreements, WIPO, blah blah blah" is not a reference to such a law. "US Code number this, section that" is such a reference. Microsoft Did they give you permission to use their name in your posting? Microsoft did, and I used it in the allowed form. Had you read what is authorized usage you would know that, or if you had the *least bit* of useful legal knowledge applicable, which you clearly don't. has already done that for the world in its TOS, TOU, other documentation and legal resource references readily available to all and to which I directed you [by linked materials] and everyone else to, In other words, you're not providing any specific pointers to laws. I will therefore remain unaware of any such. In other words and specifically, *I* don't need to do anything FOR YOU, *you* are required by Law, to do so yourself. But I'll help you to a point: Use it your own computer WITH NO ACCESS to or by others, mostly/probably fair use. Do anything else, then the ALL the linked materials apply, so do the Laws to which you are directed by Microsoft, and so do the Laws which you are required to know. See TOU [also note that this part here is also allowed specifically elsewhere in Microsoft's materials AND by following that and applicable Law]: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal...t/Default.aspx ACCEPTANCE OF TERMS. DESCRIPTION OF SERVICES. PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION. "Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services." You didn't read them, so what, you were required to do so. Yes, you had better have read the TOU, EULA, and ALL other applicable attached to your Microsoft OS and products as well. You mean Microsoft attaches those to linux, xemacs, and OpenOffice? Of course, if there applicable factors or elements within or otherwise relating, then absolutely so. Such as, since you deliberately went to "open source": Patent Cooperation Agreement - Microsoft & Novell Interoperability Collaboration http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msn...agreement.mspx Joint Letter to the Open Source Community http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msn...en_letter.mspx Per usual you didn't actually read the cases or missed what else is contained in the statements of the justices per the applicable, but of course you would since you argue nothing applies to you anyway, and no one controls anything you do. You continue to argue your baseless and worthless points, and you deliberately ignore everything applicable as if that provides your protection. The rest of your trash has been sent where it belongs, to null/nothingness. " ----- Now if you can't understand the *illegality* of the usage unless done under Microsoft's allowances, and the *personal liability* attached with usage of ANY of Microsoft's property regardless the method which YOU received it, then you have no ability to complain when/if Microsoft, individual, class and/or group, or any prosecutor [all of which can do so] files any action against your illegal usage, whether in the U.S.A. or abroad. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/28/2010 10:46 PM, Hot-text wrote: True but IP# is block he need to get a new # he have 3 days to do it in are he miss um hmm snip And you really didn't accomplish much, they are already apparently working on these groups WITHOUT connection to Microsoft to keep them alive, by using a different "maintainer"; illegal, snip Illegal ? (only in your opinion. so far.) Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. Note this presentation here is also legally covered under my own site's Notice, which is attached and directed to in every posting done in and by me in this entity when discussing matters of potential or real import, just as it has been included here. Reproduced in relevant part from peoplescounsel.org under MY authority as found in the *LEGAL AND LAWFUL NOTICES* [copyright applies]: " *NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT* *NOTICE:* Any and or all parties, organizations, entities, or otherwise, grant right to publish without confinement and or further restraint any and or all: responses, e-mails, proceedings, documents and other which they might submit and or create and or author, concerning materials on this site; and or, to or of the author of this site; and or, to or of the ISP of this site; and or, to or of the parties mentioned upon the documents contained within this site; and or, to or of the individuals and or agents mentioned upon this page or elsewhere upon this site and or web and its inclusions."" You should note, of course, that all the usual worthless, baseless, and merit-less "arguments" have been raised and answered ALREADY; the Microsoft documents have been linked and/or posted; and other factors have already been discussed; as has, not uniquely, also occurred in this group previously. IOW, the same worthless arguments which refuse to recognized the applicable Law, contract obligation and control, personal liability, and other controlling factors and elements. " On 05/24/2010 01:53 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/21/2010 08:44 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/17/2010 02:11 AM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: What controls does any entity other than myself have over my server? Who can force me to carry, or not carry, any particular newsgroup? Who can force me to carry, or not carry, any particular article or set of articles? Since you all have apparently deliberately IGNORED direction to the actual linked and/or controlling elements [such as the actual article of creation posted in here] How is anything "controlling"? It seems to me that it is controlling for me only if either (1) there is a valid law with jurisdiction over me saying so, or (2) I have agreed to a contract saying so. I have not agreed to any such contracts, nor have I seen any actual laws saying so. Referring to "UN agreements, WIPO, blah blah blah" is not a reference to such a law. "US Code number this, section that" is such a reference. Microsoft has already done that for the world in its TOS, TOU, other documentation and legal resource references readily available to all and to which I directed you [by linked materials] and everyone else to, so have the U.S. courts, U.S. government and State government. So you attempt to "claim" ignorance, too bad, as you are well aware "ignorance of the Law is no excuse". Refusing to abide by it is illegal. USING Microsoft's property directly or indirectly WITHOUT written direct authorization has placed all parties under direct violation of the applicable Laws. You want to argue the applicability to YOU, then there are the courts. Good luck and take ALL your money and assets with you. Right now, you are in direct violation of numerous Laws. This was posted to a party within the microsoft.public.win98.gen-discussion group on the ONLY *authorized* point of access, Authorized, presumably, by Microsoft; but why should I care? Because you have no right to it. Per Microsoft's own documents, you never had any authority to the hierarchy in the first place, it is and was Microsoft's solely. I never claimed any authority to the hierarchy, only the authority over my own server. And thereby, so are you bound BY LAW if you use Microsoft's hierarchy WITHIN your server [which is YOUR supposed argument point]. You have no right to it. It is essentially stolen property. Its not yours and never was. Per Microsoft's own documents [such as the 1996 document our troll 98 Guy has repeatedly posted and provided to free servers, within numerous groups, and elsewhere] *only* Microsoft could serve those offerings. Microsoft can publish whatever documents it wishes. That does not make them binding on me. Microsoft, as you do [if not you better get a legal eagle to write one for you] has a TOU and TOS, and several other controlling aspects and documents which BIND all parties regardless, mere usage brings those forward. You didn't read them, so what, you were required to do so. Yes, you had better have read the TOU, EULA, and ALL other applicable attached to your Microsoft OS and products as well. You are bound SO TIGHTLY to and under Law, its a wonder you can breath. So your [and those without a clue here and elsewhere] ENTIRE purported legal argument is that you received these and sent these via some other party and that absolves you of all responsibility for that use, removes all binding Laws, provides shelter EVEN though you know there are property right, copyright, and other applicable on EVERYTHING, but not when in *your* server. That is the dumbest argument you can possibly raise and you are well aware of it. If not then you are dumb as a box of rocks or have been living in a "bubble" somewhere, you might want to look at the "real world". But guess what, that does NOT relieve you from your illegal activities. Not here in the U.S.A. or abroad. ** Now I will include the sent responses to the other ludicrous crap, rejected by the clueless moderator(s). TO the moderator(s): Hey, *There was NO worthwhile materials to quote nor worthy of argument.* Why would I quote or include any of that trash. And you MIGHT look at what I DID quote. Would you like me to make an issue of this against this group, the moderators AND Robert... I would have no problem doing so, if that's where you want to go with it. I'll remind you this IS a moderated group, and SUPPOSEDLY deals with legal activities and aspects. *** On 05/23/2010 06:29 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/17/2010 08:46 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: That website is a _hoot_! Caveat: eliminate edibles from the vicinity before visiting, they may end up on the monitor, otherwise. Guess what, so was I, all of your spouting of your "history" means nothing to me, because I was there and involved. Now, regardless of what you have said and would LOVE to claim, "you have no Laws or other which control you", you do. So I would say that whatever YOU post or have available, should be treated as clearly uninformed, baseless, and lacking in any needed intellect that is required in circumstances as this. ROTFLMAO Now had you actually paid attention to the two Bush era Supreme Court placements on something such as CSpan you would have found the relevance of the site's materials and their impact. You might also want to actually look at some of the response/impact in various courts, congress, and elsewhere. What can you indicate other than your failure to actually understand all elements needed for a proper discourse of the actual controlling facts and factors necessary to the discussions materials and parties engaged in these activities. This purported response by you certainly has nothing of actual value. --MEB *** On 05/24/2010 12:55 AM, Seth wrote: In article , Since you are obviously a legal expert, perhaps you might wish to provide the discussion on how these cases might impact or have bearing on the issues the issues being discussed [I would suggest you actually read them rather than the syllabus or similar so you understand what these actually do discuss]: Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 17 US 250 - 1819 Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394 Citizens United v Federal Election Commission No.08-205 You might also wish to include discussions on W.T.O., Free Trade Agreements, E.U. agreements, U.N. Treaties and agreements, and other similar and of impact on and to the issues of the discussion. --MEB " Seth posted the normal garbage which you all spout, added a few personal slights/attacks, and this was the response by me: " On 05/26/2010 03:09 PM, Seth wrote: In article , MEB.peoplescounsel wrote: On 05/24/2010 01:53 PM, Seth wrote: How is anything "controlling"? It seems to me that it is controlling for me only if either (1) there is a valid law with jurisdiction over me saying so, or (2) I have agreed to a contract saying so. I have not agreed to any such contracts, nor have I seen any actual laws saying so. Referring to "UN agreements, WIPO, blah blah blah" is not a reference to such a law. "US Code number this, section that" is such a reference. Microsoft Did they give you permission to use their name in your posting? Microsoft did, and I used it in the allowed form. Had you read what is authorized usage you would know that, or if you had the *least bit* of useful legal knowledge applicable, which you clearly don't. has already done that for the world in its TOS, TOU, other documentation and legal resource references readily available to all and to which I directed you [by linked materials] and everyone else to, In other words, you're not providing any specific pointers to laws. I will therefore remain unaware of any such. In other words and specifically, *I* don't need to do anything FOR YOU, *you* are required by Law, to do so yourself. But I'll help you to a point: Use it your own computer WITH NO ACCESS to or by others, mostly/probably fair use. Do anything else, then the ALL the linked materials apply, so do the Laws to which you are directed by Microsoft, and so do the Laws which you are required to know. See TOU [also note that this part here is also allowed specifically elsewhere in Microsoft's materials AND by following that and applicable Law]: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal...t/Default.aspx ACCEPTANCE OF TERMS. DESCRIPTION OF SERVICES. PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION. "Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services." You didn't read them, so what, you were required to do so. Yes, you had better have read the TOU, EULA, and ALL other applicable attached to your Microsoft OS and products as well. You mean Microsoft attaches those to linux, xemacs, and OpenOffice? Of course, if there applicable factors or elements within or otherwise relating, then absolutely so. Such as, since you deliberately went to "open source": Patent Cooperation Agreement - Microsoft & Novell Interoperability Collaboration http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msn...agreement.mspx Joint Letter to the Open Source Community http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msn...en_letter.mspx Per usual you didn't actually read the cases or missed what else is contained in the statements of the justices per the applicable, but of course you would since you argue nothing applies to you anyway, and no one controls anything you do. You continue to argue your baseless and worthless points, and you deliberately ignore everything applicable as if that provides your protection. The rest of your trash has been sent where it belongs, to null/nothingness. " ----- Now if you can't understand the *illegality* of the usage unless done under Microsoft's allowances, and the *personal liability* attached with usage of ANY of Microsoft's property regardless the method which YOU received it, then you have no ability to complain when/if Microsoft, individual, class and/or group, or any prosecutor [all of which can do so] files any action against your illegal usage, whether in the U.S.A. or abroad. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote: Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. |
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"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote: Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. |
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You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. I figure MEB will quietly scamper away after Microsoft kills their NNTP server while Giganews (already confirmed), Google Groups, and other NSPs (like mine that have confirmed) will continue to carry the microsoft.* newsgroups. MEB wants us to believe that everyone needs permission to use Microsoft's company or product names when writing books, naming forums, or in any discussion about Microsoft. There's no point in arguing with MEB anymore. Just wait and see what really happens. After all, we're not the ones operating the NNTP servers so we users don't get a choice as to what they will or won't carry. Verification already exists from major (commercial) and minor NSPs they they don't have a nose-ring tied to Microsoft. MEB is trying to confuse the issue with claims of legality that don't apply other than Microsoft-operated services. Of course, if MEB continues to only Microsoft's free NNTP server to participate in Usenet then he will disappear from these newsgroups while the rest of us go on by using other free or paid NSPs where microsoft.* groups continue to exist. Probably best is to ignore MEB and just see what really happens. It's not like we can do anything what does happen. The NSP admins already know what they plan to do. |
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Sunny wrote:
You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. I figure MEB will quietly scamper away after Microsoft kills their NNTP server while Giganews (already confirmed), Google Groups, and other NSPs (like mine that have confirmed) will continue to carry the microsoft.* newsgroups. MEB wants us to believe that everyone needs permission to use Microsoft's company or product names when writing books, naming forums, or in any discussion about Microsoft. There's no point in arguing with MEB anymore. Just wait and see what really happens. After all, we're not the ones operating the NNTP servers so we users don't get a choice as to what they will or won't carry. Verification already exists from major (commercial) and minor NSPs they they don't have a nose-ring tied to Microsoft. MEB is trying to confuse the issue with claims of legality that don't apply other than Microsoft-operated services. Of course, if MEB continues to only Microsoft's free NNTP server to participate in Usenet then he will disappear from these newsgroups while the rest of us go on by using other free or paid NSPs where microsoft.* groups continue to exist. Probably best is to ignore MEB and just see what really happens. It's not like we can do anything what does happen. The NSP admins already know what they plan to do. |
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What is Usenet
On 05/29/2010 07:52 PM, Sunny wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote: Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. Just as an FYI to you and all others, Microsoft provided proof of control per the request of Leythos *for proof* [immediately] via two groups and via message comparison. Microsoft did that at 10:45 P.M. May 29, 2010. security.virus .msnewsservers So move on. Go post your ignorance somewhere else. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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What is Usenet
On 05/29/2010 07:52 PM, Sunny wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 05/29/2010 02:51 AM, Sunny wrote: Your shotgun approach of directing posters to every "Legal" reference you can dream up, has not yet proven that posting on Usenet using the microsoft*named newsgroups is illegal. It has nothing to do with software piracy or copyright. Are you claiming that any messages posted on those newsgroups, that the Microsoft Server does not get are "illegal"? (Are all messages, posted while the Microsoft Server was "down" have to be rescinded?) These two documents were posted to misc.legal.moderated. The moderator(s) or other party is apparently bent upon deliberately continuing public deception and has not posted the further response by me [at least not yet]; these two supply the answers you apparently ignorant people need. You claim Microsoft has "control" then bleat when a moderator uses their "control"? snip your verbose rants Only because you still have not produced proof that Microsoft has stated that: "Microsoft Usenet news groups cannot be used when their server closes down" Discussion is not "piracy" no matter how much of your verbose spin you put on it. Just as an FYI to you and all others, Microsoft provided proof of control per the request of Leythos *for proof* [immediately] via two groups and via message comparison. Microsoft did that at 10:45 P.M. May 29, 2010. security.virus .msnewsservers So move on. Go post your ignorance somewhere else. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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