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Old March 26th 07, 09:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
The Moose
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Default Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus--Frequent system hesitations??

I've got Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus as the virus protection
software. I had Norton Anti-virus up until a couple of months ago.
Norton corrupted itself so badly that it had to be reinstalled every
three months.

I don't know what's causing this problem, but, I suspect it might be
Kaspersky. Every time I press the [back] button to go to a previous
page, my computer freezes for about 5 or 10 seconds -- then it lets go
and goes to the previous page.

I keep the security on my computer very tight. No site access allowed
unless the site has been added to a customized privacy list. I use
Adaware and Spybot to check for any unauthorized "lurkers". I
completely scan my computer every week for viruses.

I've checked for hidden software -- there are none. I've checked for
viruses -- there are none.

Does anyone else that's using Windows ME together with Kaspersky Anti-
Virus have a frequent, brief hesitation that happens enough to want to
through the entire computer out the window??

Anyone have any ideas on how I can find out what is slowing my
computer down??

I use Process Explorer from Sysinternals. I do see KAV running in the
background more frequently than I like. The idle process also seems
to run more frequently than necessary -- I fail to see why the idle
process should be running so often when I'm actually waiting for
software to load or for websites to load...

Any ideas??

Thanks.

Barb

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Old March 27th 07, 01:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
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Default Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus--Frequent system hesitations??

On 26 Mar 2007 13:54:36 -0700, "The Moose"

I've got Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus as the virus protection
software. I had Norton Anti-virus up until a couple of months ago.
Norton corrupted itself so badly that it had to be reinstalled every
three months.


I don't know what's causing this problem, but, I suspect it might be
Kaspersky. Every time I press the [back] button to go to a previous
page, my computer freezes for about 5 or 10 seconds -- then it lets go
and goes to the previous page.


If the shell is generally slow, then I'd suspect some shell
integration, and the av is one such integration. If only on Back,
that sounds less general and I'd wonder about how the history list was
stored and if it were corrupted in some way.

FATxx file systems slow down massively if there are "too many"
directory entries in a directory. The blues start with 1000-2000 and
get really ugly at 6000+... the directory cluster chain gets long and
fragmented, etc.

So the first things I might do, a
- check hard drive for physical errors
- clear Temporary Internet Files, reduce max cache to 20M
- clear Temp location
- make sure MDM.EXE is dead, clear FFFFF files from WinDir
- clear Recycled if too many entries there
- defrag

However, hassles with first one av and then another, make me wonder if
there isn't malware resident on the PC.

To exclude resident malware, I would scan for this from DOS mode
(WinME if 64M RAM) or from a Bart CDR boot (if 64M RAM or better,
and access to a clean XP SP2 PC from which the Bart CDR can be built).

Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

I keep the security on my computer very tight. No site access allowed
unless the site has been added to a customized privacy list. I use
Adaware and Spybot to check for any unauthorized "lurkers". I
completely scan my computer every week for viruses.


Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

I've checked for hidden software -- there are none. I've checked for
viruses -- there are none.


Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

Does anyone else that's using Windows ME together with Kaspersky Anti-
Virus have a frequent, brief hesitation that happens enough to want to
through the entire computer out the window??


If this is only when the shell refreshes, suspect a namespace of file
types integration.

Namespace items include anything that appears to be on the desktop
that is not a shortcut, file or directory, and includes stuff like
some writers and devices. They slow down the left pane of Explorer.

Other shell integrations chew on files as they appear, and they slow
down the right pane of Explorer.

The best tool to reversibly test these, is Shell Extensions Viewer
from Nirsoft at www.nirsoft.net

Anyone have any ideas on how I can find out what is slowing my
computer down??


As above.

I use Process Explorer from Sysinternals. I do see KAV running in the
background more frequently than I like. The idle process also seems
to run more frequently than necessary -- I fail to see why the idle
process should be running so often when I'm actually waiting for
software to load or for websites to load...


Maybe it's scanning after some other process starts kicking around -
running any indexers or thumbnailers? Google Desktop Slouch (er...
"Search"), that sort of thing? Is SR left to some huge disk space
allocation, and is it chundering to push stuff into .CAB files? Are
there any Tasks set to run? Does it stop if you are offline?

Any ideas??


As above.



-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.
-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

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Old March 29th 07, 03:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
The Moose
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Default Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus--Frequent system hesitations??

Thanks, cquirke. I think this: "clear Temporary Internet Files,
reduce max cache to 20M" might have done it. None of the others that
you suggested seemed to apply. It seems to have really speeded up
lately.

Thanks, again.

Barb


On Mar 26, 8:29 pm, "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)"
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 13:54:36 -0700, "The Moose"

I've got Windows ME with Kaspersky Anti-Virus as the virus protection
software. I had Norton Anti-virus up until a couple of months ago.
Norton corrupted itself so badly that it had to be reinstalled every
three months.
I don't know what's causing this problem, but, I suspect it might be
Kaspersky. Every time I press the [back] button to go to a previous
page, my computer freezes for about 5 or 10 seconds -- then it lets go
and goes to the previous page.


If the shell is generally slow, then I'd suspect some shell
integration, and the av is one such integration. If only on Back,
that sounds less general and I'd wonder about how the history list was
stored and if it were corrupted in some way.

FATxx file systems slow down massively if there are "too many"
directory entries in a directory. The blues start with 1000-2000 and
get really ugly at 6000+... the directory cluster chain gets long and
fragmented, etc.

So the first things I might do, a
- check hard drive for physical errors
- clear Temporary Internet Files, reduce max cache to 20M
- clear Temp location
- make sure MDM.EXE is dead, clear FFFFF files from WinDir
- clear Recycled if too many entries there
- defrag

However, hassles with first one av and then another, make me wonder if
there isn't malware resident on the PC.

To exclude resident malware, I would scan for this from DOS mode
(WinME if 64M RAM) or from a Bart CDR boot (if 64M RAM or better,
and access to a clean XP SP2 PC from which the Bart CDR can be built).

Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

I keep the security on my computer very tight. No site access allowed
unless the site has been added to a customized privacy list. I use
Adaware and Spybot to check for any unauthorized "lurkers". I
completely scan my computer every week for viruses.


Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

I've checked for hidden software -- there are none. I've checked for
viruses -- there are none.


Scanning from within the infected OS cannot be assumed to work.

Does anyone else that's using Windows ME together with Kaspersky Anti-
Virus have a frequent, brief hesitation that happens enough to want to
through the entire computer out the window??


If this is only when the shell refreshes, suspect a namespace of file
types integration.

Namespace items include anything that appears to be on the desktop
that is not a shortcut, file or directory, and includes stuff like
some writers and devices. They slow down the left pane of Explorer.

Other shell integrations chew on files as they appear, and they slow
down the right pane of Explorer.

The best tool to reversibly test these, is Shell Extensions Viewer
from Nirsoft atwww.nirsoft.net

Anyone have any ideas on how I can find out what is slowing my
computer down??


As above.

I use Process Explorer from Sysinternals. I do see KAV running in the
background more frequently than I like. The idle process also seems
to run more frequently than necessary -- I fail to see why the idle
process should be running so often when I'm actually waiting for
software to load or for websites to load...


Maybe it's scanning after some other process starts kicking around -
running any indexers or thumbnailers? Google Desktop Slouch (er...
"Search"), that sort of thing? Is SR left to some huge disk space
allocation, and is it chundering to push stuff into .CAB files? Are
there any Tasks set to run? Does it stop if you are offline?

Any ideas??


As above.

-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -


Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.



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