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Hi 98 Guy and everybody,

UPDATE:

On my "test" Win98se laptop, I set up internet access (DSL) and this time
when I began to install KernelEx 4.5.2, the message, "Microsoft Layer for
Unicode....." (required) appeared. I proceed to download the necessary
components. When finished, I rebooted the computer. Next I installed
FireFox 3.6 (version I use in WinXP). Next I installed flash player
plug in V10.1 (WinXP version).

TEST (Win98se):

I launched FireFox 3.6, and as a test, I went to www.youtube.com.
I had no trouble viewing a video. By golly it works!!

Thanks Again to 98 Guy and everyone for your help, John

wrote:
Hi 98 Guy and everybody,

UPDATE:

On my "test" Win98se laptop, I set up internet access (DSL) and this
time
when I began to install KernelEx 4.5.2, the message, "Microsoft Layer for
Unicode....." (required) appeared. I proceed to download the necessary
components. When finished, I rebooted the computer. Next I installed
FireFox 3.6 (version I use in WinXP). Next I installed flash player
plug in V10.1 (WinXP version).

TEST (Win98se):

I launched FireFox 3.6, and as a test, I went to www.youtube.com.
I had no trouble viewing a video. By golly it works!!

Thanks Again to 98 Guy and everyone for your help, John

Good to hear that. I've just gotten similar results as yours too, John,
although I used the slightly older build of KernelEx (Final 4.50) and
Firefox (3.5.8). (And I already had unicows, so that step was unnecessary).

And as mentioned, Flash had to be updated (evidently to at least version
10.x). That was almost as much of a challenge, as Adobe seems to make it a
bit difficult to simply find the *standalone* executable flash updates.

One interesting anomaly I see in FF now is a thin black vertical bar at the
end of some text in some places, but I can live with that. I think I read
about someone else seeing that too, but I've lost the cite.

Addended below:

Bill in Co wrote:
wrote:
Hi 98 Guy and everybody,

UPDATE:

On my "test" Win98se laptop, I set up internet access (DSL) and this
time
when I began to install KernelEx 4.5.2, the message, "Microsoft Layer
for
Unicode....." (required) appeared. I proceed to download the necessary
components. When finished, I rebooted the computer. Next I installed
FireFox 3.6 (version I use in WinXP). Next I installed flash player
plug in V10.1 (WinXP version).

TEST (Win98se):

I launched FireFox 3.6, and as a test, I went to www.youtube.com.
I had no trouble viewing a video. By golly it works!!

Thanks Again to 98 Guy and everyone for your help, John

Good to hear that. I've just gotten similar results as yours too, John,
although I used the slightly older build of KernelEx (Final 4.50) and
Firefox (3.5.8). (And I already had unicows, so that step was
unnecessary).

And as mentioned, Flash had to be updated (evidently to at least version
10.x). That was almost as much of a challenge, as Adobe seems to make it
a bit difficult to simply find the *standalone* executable flash
updates.

One interesting anomaly I see in FF now is a thin black vertical bar at
the
end of some text in some places, but I can live with that. I think I read
about someone else seeing that too, but I've lost the cite.

This whole thing has proven to be a bit more tricky than I thought. I went
back and tried it again (installing FF 3.5.8) on a clean backup, and that
was fine, but trying to update the Flash Player (to 10.3) sometimes succeeds
and sometimes doesn't (as checked on both the Adobe Flash page (where it
shows a blank box), and within FF, where it says the plug-in has been
disabled "for my protection" (even though it's new enough to avoid that
warning (ver 10.3 and above). What a PIA.

With a lot of trial and error in these tests, I've usually been able to get
the Adobe Flash player plug-in it to finally install, but it sure is a bit
of a PIA.

Maybe the trick is to before you try to install Flash Player 10.3 (or
above), first set the KernelEx compatibility tab on that file to WinXP SP2,
and not just leave it as its default tab value), but I thought I had tried
that before. Wonder if anyone else has had this problem.

Bill in Co wrote:

Maybe the trick is to before you try to install Flash Player 10.3
(or above), first set the KernelEx compatibility tab on that file
to WinXP SP2,

Why are you messing with version 10?

I'll repeat what I've already posted about installing Flash version 11:

=================

I can tell you that version 11.1.102.62 will install on win-98 if you
have the latest version of kernelex - I don't know if it will work with
your 2-year-old version.

This 11.1.102.62 version is a few months old, but newer versions don't
seem to install so we might be stuck with this version for a while. It
can be downloaded from he

http://www.oldapps.com/flash_player....F76B0623E FAF

If that link doesn't work, try this:

http://www.oldapps.com/flash_player....=7361?download

This is the "non-IE" version - which means this is for mozilla-based
browsers (firefox, etc).

Just remember that you need to change a few registry keys before you
install version 11 of flash so that it thinks you have win-2k instead of
win-98.

If this key does not exist, then create it:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion

In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion".
For it's value, make it "5.1"

Next, navigate to this key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion

Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT"
Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.1"

Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES
by renaming them. To change their value, right-click on them and select
MODIFY.

You can download old versions of flash from Adobe, but you might have to
download the developer package (can be over 100 mb) just to get the
flash player installer.

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Maybe the trick is to before you try to install Flash Player 10.3
(or above), first set the KernelEx compatibility tab on that file
to WinXP SP2,

Why are you messing with version 10?

I'll repeat what I've already posted about installing Flash version 11:

=================

I can tell you that version 11.1.102.62 will install on win-98 if you
have the latest version of kernelex - I don't know if it will work with
your 2-year-old version.

This 11.1.102.62 version is a few months old, but newer versions don't
seem to install so we might be stuck with this version for a while. It
can be downloaded from he

http://www.oldapps.com/flash_player....F76B0623E FAF

If that link doesn't work, try this:

http://www.oldapps.com/flash_player....=7361?download

This is the "non-IE" version - which means this is for mozilla-based
browsers (firefox, etc).

Just remember that you need to change a few registry keys before you
install version 11 of flash so that it thinks you have win-2k instead of
win-98.

If this key does not exist, then create it:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion

In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion".
For it's value, make it "5.1"

Next, navigate to this key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion

Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT"
Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.1"

Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES
by renaming them. To change their value, right-click on them and select
MODIFY.

You can download old versions of flash from Adobe, but you might have to
download the developer package (can be over 100 mb) just to get the
flash player installer.

Thanks for all the info!
Since I'm still using KernelEx Final 4.50, I'm not sure if Flash 11 will
install, but will consider doing it if I can't get Flash 10 to work (10
seems to be sufficient for the few sites I've checked, but I haven't checked
all that many).

I'm still not sure about something. After KernelEx is installed, do you or
don't you have to use those compatibility tabs (Properties, KernelEx tab)?

I'm not sure when the KernelEx "default" values are or are not sufficient
(instead of having to specify specific OS compatibility in the tabs for some
applications, like FF or Flash).

Bill in Co wrote:

Thanks for all the info!

I'm still not sure about something. After KernelEx is installed,
do you or don't you have to use those compatibility tabs
(Properties, KernelEx tab)?

I have messed with those before when installing something new (usually
something related to putzing around with multi-media files).

The default KernelEx setting is almost always ok, and if you change the
setting and it helps you to get further along with installing or running
something new then there's nothing wrong with that - but I find that if
the default setting doesn't work then changing it doesn't usually make
you happy in the end.

When changing the setting does work, I've found that changing it to
Win-2k compatibility is usually what does the trick.

98 Guy wrote in :

If this key does not exist, then create it:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion

In that key, create a new string value and call it "CurrentVersion".
For it's value, make it "5.1"

Next, navigate to this key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion

Change the value for Version from "Windows 98" to "Windows NT"
Change VersionNumber from "4.10.2222" to "5.1"

Remember - change the VALUE of those strings - don't change their NAMES
by renaming them. To change their value, right-click on them and select
MODIFY.


You can reduce risk of transfer error, ambiguity and post size with this:
Copy and paste the following to an empty plain text file, saved as X.reg,
then merge that with the registry using a right-click on the file's icon.

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
"CurrentVersion"="5.1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion]
"Version"="Windows NT"
"VersionNumber"="5.1"




Might be wise to keep this too in case you ever need to revert:

REGEDIT4
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
;Semicolon to the immediate left means this is a comment,
;and the dash starting the branch line above deletes that branch.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
"Version"="Windows 98"
"VersionNumber"="4.10.2222"

If either of you is willing, I have a small experiment to suggest. (Not got
it setup here so I'm not ready to do it, but it's harmless).

Get some FLV out of the browser cache after viewing with this late Flash. See
if it plays in the standalone Sothink FLV player... Any takers? Could be
useful info for all and sundry, not just for me. One thing: make sure it IS a
late version FLV too, something you know wouldn't play before you did this
update...

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

REGEDIT4
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
;Semicolon to the immediate left means this is a comment,
;and the dash starting the branch line above deletes that branch.


About that, check that your install isn't already using this bit of NT-
fooling for some other subsystem because it may cover many keys, but other
than that, the reg-file methods I posted are safe, both reversible by each
other.

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

REGEDIT4
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
;Semicolon to the immediate left means this is a comment,
;and the dash starting the branch line above deletes that branch.


About that, check that your install isn't already using this bit of NT-
fooling for some other subsystem because it may cover many keys, but other
than that, the reg-file methods I posted are safe, both reversible by each
other.



Looks like an XviD VFW codec uses it, so any number of other things might, so
the reversion-to-W98 reg file is better like this:

REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
"CurrentVersion"=-
;Deletes single key, preserving all others under that branch.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion
"Version"="Windows 98"
"VersionNumber"="4.10.2222"