No product key

Use the computer on which you are posting these replies, to read the links.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"Marie" wrote in message
...

How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! -
Very frustrating!



"glee" wrote:

"Marie" wrote in message
news

HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the
answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error
message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to
do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with
limited expertise!
Marie

I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting,
two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again:

Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609

http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

As of about 6 hours ago there are 31 messages in this thread as recorded at
the link you posted, and 31 messages in the thread on this server. That
doesn't look like censorship to me.

Post #20 is identical in the two views.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
snip

Please note that because you are reading and posting these messages on
Microsoft's own server, you are not seeing all the posts because
someone here (most likey an MVP) is alerting microsoft to some posts,
and they are being removed.

So you are reading a censored version of this newsgroup.

If you follow this google-group link:

http://tinyurl.com/2ra347

you will be able to read the full, uncensored thread. There you will
see some posts that will give you the information you are asking for.
Look particularly at post #20.

Top-poster and full-quoter Jeff Richards wrote:

As of about 6 hours ago there are 31 messages in this thread
as recorded at the link you posted, and 31 messages in the
thread on this server. That doesn't look like censorship to me.

Your post (above) makes it 32 posts (according to google groups).

The Microsoft web-interface to this newsgroup is showing 24 posts in
this same thread (no product key). There are 8 posts not showing up
on the MS server.

Post #20 is identical in the two views.

Hmmm. I think I meant to say post #11 (Dec 5). That's Google-Groups
post #11. You won't find that post on the Microsoft server.

Compare these two views:

http://tinyurl.com/27xre3

http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82

That's not the point. Marie is not seeing the full thread because she is
accessing the newsgroup using the web interface. That does NOT mean the
messages are being removed. It simply means that the web interface doesn't
show everything that's on the server. If you access the MS server directly
with a news reader they are all there. By your theory, the people who are
asking MS to make certain posts unavailable through the web interface are
the same people who continually recommend against using the web interface,
and that doesn't make sense to anyone.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Top-poster and full-quoter Jeff Richards wrote:

As of about 6 hours ago there are 31 messages in this thread
as recorded at the link you posted, and 31 messages in the
thread on this server. That doesn't look like censorship to me.

Your post (above) makes it 32 posts (according to google groups).

The Microsoft web-interface to this newsgroup is showing 24 posts in
this same thread (no product key). There are 8 posts not showing up
on the MS server.

Post #20 is identical in the two views.

Hmmm. I think I meant to say post #11 (Dec 5). That's Google-Groups
post #11. You won't find that post on the Microsoft server.

Compare these two views:

http://tinyurl.com/27xre3

http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82

Top-Poster and Full-Quoter Jeff Richards wrote:

There are 8 posts not showing up on the MS server.

I think I meant to say post #11 (Dec 5). That's Google-Groups
post #11. You won't find that post on the Microsoft server.

Compare these two views:

http://tinyurl.com/27xre3
http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82

That's not the point. Marie is not seeing the full thread because
she is accessing the newsgroup using the web interface. That
does NOT mean the messages are being removed. It simply means
that the web interface doesn't show everything that's on the
server.

And how would you explain that? Is MS using buggy software on the
web-interface machine?

Have you looked at the 8 missing posts to see if they have something
in common?

If you access the MS server directly with a news reader they
are all there.

Since I haven't done that (access the MS server directly) I had no
idea that the posts are there. I didn't know that the MS server could
be accessed directly with an NNTP server.

Most likely the web interface is hosted by a different machine, and
either it's faulty, or there is censoring going on only on that
machine, and not the one that is accessible via NNTP.

By your theory, the people who are asking MS to make certain
posts unavailable through the web interface are the same
people who continually recommend against using the web
interface, and that doesn't make sense to anyone.

For one thing, I wasn't aware that there are people (according to you
- MVP's) who advocate against using a web-interface to these groups.
Could you please point me to some of their posts where they advocate
against using (any) web-interface to usenet.

Second, even if those SAME people who advocate against using the
web-interface ARE the same people who are plaoying a role in post
removal, they wouldn't necessarily know that posts removed from the
web-interface machine aren't being removed from the NNTP-interface
machine.

Third, there may be MVP's who don't use the NNTP interface (and hence
aren't advocates for not using it vs direct NNTP access) and their
role in getting posts removed from the web-interface machine would
therefore be logical (in their eyes) AND they would see that their
efforts are working.

What all this means is this:

If the 8 posts in question are available on the MS NNTP server but not
the web-server, then either MS is running faulty software (and such a
differences are happening in other groups, making the web-interface
inherently unreliable), or there is censoring going on, but only on
the web interface.

If there is censoring, then presumably it is being done by the urging
of someone who only uses the web-interface. If it was being done
based on someone that uses the NNTP interface, then they would know by
now that their efforts at urging MS to remove posts are not working,
and hence presumably they wouldn't keep doing it.

I would guess that the number of people using the MS web-server vastly
outnumbers those reading the MS groups via direct NNTP. So the
realization that the NNTP server is more complete is not much of a
consolation.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Top-Poster and Full-Quoter Jeff Richards wrote:

There are 8 posts not showing up on the MS server.

I think I meant to say post #11 (Dec 5). That's Google-Groups
post #11. You won't find that post on the Microsoft server.

Compare these two views:

http://tinyurl.com/27xre3
http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82

That's not the point. Marie is not seeing the full thread because
she is accessing the newsgroup using the web interface. That
does NOT mean the messages are being removed. It simply means
that the web interface doesn't show everything that's on the
server.

And how would you explain that? Is MS using buggy software on the
web-interface machine?

I don't know, and since I neither us nor recommend this form of access, I
don't really care.


Have you looked at the 8 missing posts to see if they have something
in common?


No. MS has more than enough experts to do that for themselves.

If you access the MS server directly with a news reader they
are all there.

Since I haven't done that (access the MS server directly) I had no
idea that the posts are there. I didn't know that the MS server could
be accessed directly with an NNTP server.


Then you need to reconsider your comments about Usenet.

Most likely the web interface is hosted by a different machine, and
either it's faulty, or there is censoring going on only on that
machine, and not the one that is accessible via NNTP.


That assertion simply doesn't make sense. Why write sepcial filters for the
the web access when the posts could simply be deleted?

By your theory, the people who are asking MS to make certain
posts unavailable through the web interface are the same
people who continually recommend against using the web
interface, and that doesn't make sense to anyone.

For one thing, I wasn't aware that there are people (according to you
- MVP's) who advocate against using a web-interface to these groups.

You can monitor this newsgroup to find many people suggesting that posters
do not use the web iterface, for a number of reasons.

Could you please point me to some of their posts where they advocate
against using (any) web-interface to usenet.


My reference was to to the MS web interface for this and similar groups. I
did not make a reference to 'any' web interface. You can easily search for
yourself, but try http://tinyurl.com/ynq37h

Second, even if those SAME people who advocate against using the
web-interface ARE the same people who are plaoying a role in post
removal, they wouldn't necessarily know that posts removed from the
web-interface machine aren't being removed from the NNTP-interface
machine.

Third, there may be MVP's who don't use the NNTP interface (and hence
aren't advocates for not using it vs direct NNTP access) and their
role in getting posts removed from the web-interface machine would
therefore be logical (in their eyes) AND they would see that their
efforts are working.

What all this means is this:

If the 8 posts in question are available on the MS NNTP server but not
the web-server, then either MS is running faulty software (and such a
differences are happening in other groups, making the web-interface
inherently unreliable), or there is censoring going on, but only on
the web interface.

If there is censoring, then presumably it is being done by the urging
of someone who only uses the web-interface. If it was being done
based on someone that uses the NNTP interface, then they would know by
now that their efforts at urging MS to remove posts are not working,
and hence presumably they wouldn't keep doing it.

I would guess that the number of people using the MS web-server vastly
outnumbers those reading the MS groups via direct NNTP. So the
realization that the NNTP server is more complete is not much of a
consolation.

Now we are off into fantasyland. You are trying to manufacturing reasons to
support your conspiracy theories, and they simply don't make sense.

pjp wrote:
Geez man, smell the coffee. You are using an illegal version of
Windows otherwise you'd not have had to find a product key as you'd

Having lost the product key doesn't of itself make the copy illegal. [As for
illegal _versions_, they probably do exist, but ... (-:] (In this case, I
think Marie just genuinely didn't have it - no indication that she was
hacking.)

have already had one. Then you come asking for help because said
illegal version doesn't work properly. Now how the hell we supposed
to know what you've actually installed, where it came from and for
that matter how it may have been hacked in some way.

And you are doing this on a microsoft newsgroup maintained by the same
people you're ripping off!!!!

Hmm. There's already been plenty of heat on that one! Most, I suspect,
generated by people who were/weren't accessing via Microsoft servers, and
didn't know whether the person they were arguing was. (Then there seems to
be even further confusion over a web interface.)

Go out and buy a legit product as clearly you need help and it comes
with some.

Ah, that's the real reason I'm posting: I doubt if there's any useful help
available with a copy of '98. (Plus, what makes such a version "legit" - M.
no longer sell it themselves, so it'd have to be a truly transferable one to
be legit., and I think the legal situation there is hazy to say the least -
and probably differs between countries.)
[]
Anyway, hope Marie gets it sorted. It's a good OS when it's working!
--
J. P. Gilliver | Tel.: 01634 203298

"Marie" wrote:

have a windows 98 startup wizard page that requires a product key. don't
have one and don't know how to bypass this problem

pjp - Seems like you have some serious issues my friend. However, this is
not a political forum. It is for the purpose of assisting others with
computer problems, not spouting your hatred for this country. Try to remember
that.
"pjp" wrote:


"win98 fan " wrote in message ...
Come on pjp, ten year old technology and if you did it right, it has been
paid for in '98 or '99 and you want to keep getting money for it? I have
lots of computers that came with win'98, should I have send money to MS
every time I buy a $5 computer at a garage sale? A fair share, say 1%,
would
make you happy? And then you send me a brand new registration key, manual
and CD?. How much do you ask for a key of win3.11, the ten floppy version?
Yep I'm still running that too on an old IBM 95ak. I know, museum stuff,
but
if you claim I have to buy the key for a fair price just tell me where
(Oops they came without key, how do we solve this?) And does Billy still
pay
the guys whose idea's he used to get the whole thing going from start? A
fair share? And this from the makers of Vista ?

Look guy, I didn't say anywhere I agreed with MS's policy. In fact, I detest
it. Just kinda stupid to expect help from an MS "sponsered" newsgroup.

To continue though ... MS demonstrates so clearly unbridled capitalism at
it's finist. In fact, I hate that social system so badly I'd tell Bill Gates
(and all the other corporate parasites feed off society) to get the hell off
my property and I'd not even phone 911 if he was bleeding to death out on
the road I detest the accepted morals and ethics of business in our society
that strongly. I'm not any sort of terrorist but I'd personally be very
happy to see the US (in particular) simply cease to exist as a nation.
Nothing but war mongering hypocrits intent on exploiting the rest of the
world to further their own greedy inhumane quest for money and power.
There's NOTHING for any US citizen to be proud of about their country from
my point of view.

Incidently, I've never bought any version of anything from MS. I have 7 pc's
right now running 98SE all off the same cd and it's legit because I have a
10 pc site license. I also have valid copy of ME, 2000 and both XP Home and
Pro. All of these are legit also, given to me or came via old pc's no longer
work. The only other OS I run on an 8th pc is a "no need to validate" copy
of XP Pro.

"pjp" wrote in message
...
Geez man, smell the coffee. You are using an illegal version of Windows
otherwise you'd not have had to find a product key as you'd have already
had
one. Then you come asking for help because said illegal version doesn't
work
properly. Now how the hell we supposed to know what you've actually
installed, where it came from and for that matter how it may have been
hacked in some way.

And you are doing this on a microsoft newsgroup maintained by the same
people you're ripping off!!!!

Go out and buy a legit product as clearly you need help and it comes
with
some.

"Marie" wrote in message
...
Thank you soooo much...I found one that worked but now I keep getting
an
error report and it shuts me down. Start up screen doesn't come up
either.
Any good words of advice on this one?

"win98 fan " wrote:

Any windows '98 key you can find will do and to make it easy I'll
hand
you
the address
http://www.psico.univ.trieste.it/pub...8_serials.html
Good luck and Google more, it's worth it

"Marie" wrote in message
...
excuse my ignorance...but I would have to do this from another
computer
since
I can't get on my desktop. Do you mean I would be able to use just
any
generic key??

"win98 fan " wrote:

Do a Google and you find lots of them or look back in this forum
"Marie" wrote in message
...
have a windows 98 startup wizard page that requires a product
key.
don't
have one and don't know how to bypass this problem

"pjp" wrote:


"win98 fan " wrote in message ...
Come on pjp, ten year old technology and if you did it right, it has been
paid for in '98 or '99 and you want to keep getting money for it? I have
lots of computers that came with win'98, should I have send money to MS
every time I buy a $5 computer at a garage sale? A fair share, say 1%,
would
make you happy? And then you send me a brand new registration key, manual
and CD?. How much do you ask for a key of win3.11, the ten floppy version?
Yep I'm still running that too on an old IBM 95ak. I know, museum stuff,
but
if you claim I have to buy the key for a fair price just tell me where
(Oops they came without key, how do we solve this?) And does Billy still
pay
the guys whose idea's he used to get the whole thing going from start? A
fair share? And this from the makers of Vista ?

Look guy, I didn't say anywhere I agreed with MS's policy. In fact, I detest
it. Just kinda stupid to expect help from an MS "sponsered" newsgroup.

To continue though ... MS demonstrates so clearly unbridled capitalism at
it's finist. In fact, I hate that social system so badly I'd tell Bill Gates
(and all the other corporate parasites feed off society) to get the hell off
my property and I'd not even phone 911 if he was bleeding to death out on
the road I detest the accepted morals and ethics of business in our society
that strongly. I'm not any sort of terrorist but I'd personally be very
happy to see the US (in particular) simply cease to exist as a nation.
Nothing but war mongering hypocrits intent on exploiting the rest of the
world to further their own greedy inhumane quest for money and power.
There's NOTHING for any US citizen to be proud of about their country from
my point of view.

Incidently, I've never bought any version of anything from MS. I have 7 pc's
right now running 98SE all off the same cd and it's legit because I have a
10 pc site license. I also have valid copy of ME, 2000 and both XP Home and
Pro. All of these are legit also, given to me or came via old pc's no longer
work. The only other OS I run on an 8th pc is a "no need to validate" copy
of XP Pro.

"pjp" wrote in message
...
Geez man, smell the coffee. You are using an illegal version of Windows
otherwise you'd not have had to find a product key as you'd have already
had
one. Then you come asking for help because said illegal version doesn't
work
properly. Now how the hell we supposed to know what you've actually
installed, where it came from and for that matter how it may have been
hacked in some way.

And you are doing this on a microsoft newsgroup maintained by the same
people you're ripping off!!!!

Go out and buy a legit product as clearly you need help and it comes
with
some.

"Marie" wrote in message
...
Thank you soooo much...I found one that worked but now I keep getting
an
error report and it shuts me down. Start up screen doesn't come up
either.
Any good words of advice on this one?

"win98 fan " wrote:

Any windows '98 key you can find will do and to make it easy I'll
hand
you
the address
http://www.psico.univ.trieste.it/pub...8_serials.html
Good luck and Google more, it's worth it

"Marie" wrote in message
...
excuse my ignorance...but I would have to do this from another
computer
since
I can't get on my desktop. Do you mean I would be able to use just
any
generic key??

"win98 fan " wrote:

Do a Google and you find lots of them or look back in this forum
"Marie" wrote in message
...
have a windows 98 startup wizard page that requires a product
key.
don't
have one and don't know how to bypass this problem