IE6 SP1, and the "large number of files, copy and delete problem"

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine I
tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably they
were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files" problem
itself.

Yes in once sense the new problems 'appeared on the surface' to be less
significant than the hassle of the other and it's reboot to clear, but
nonetheless it was nOt working right on a few levels. At the time I even had
worked long and hard on the issue myself after it was discovered, and even
offered downloads of the files off my own server having also made quick swap
bat's making the dll swap forward & backwards easy automated, etc, ...but in
the long run I 'first hand' realized the dll swap hack and whatelse that
potentially wAs malfunctioning was just unacceptable to me, and for my own
quality piece of mind decided to scrap the hack and was better served to
move up to all the latest in IE6 and focus on that finally being fixed for
9x - if it isn't, well that's not my fault. I love using W200pro and I love
using WXPro and so I'm moving on; but admit still also love to use 98SE

Yes I agree it should be fixed. nough said.

Rick
....ps, No the problem does not exist on W2K or WXP


Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is
another one of those things where I really can't understand what the
problem is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft
software programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix
it? Internet Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would think
that two and a half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue
which affects one of the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.
BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a
different file manager such as FAR
(http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total Commander
(http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have
already noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and
so I hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did
(besides the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not
just to be coy, but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way
then and especially now after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an
issue or I would not of mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the
procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different
way and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm
not going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift
key down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from
triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold
positive intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

Well, if either of you ever happen to remember ANY of these idiosyncrasies,
I'd like to hear them, when and if you recall them. Just for my own
infomation.

At this point, I feel I'm pretty much stuck with this arrangement, I think.
I'd almost consider going back to IE 5.5 SP2 but 1) it would be a *real*
pain in the ass to try and do it, and get it right again, and 2) IE 6 SP1
has (in itself) better security and is (apparently) required by some web
secure sites (at least someone said that in here)

(And now since I've updated to MDAC 2.5 sp3, even an attempt to roll back to
IE 5.5 SP2 (if I wanted to) would probably be even more hassle than its
worth - nothing like adding more to the mix, LOL) But I'm pretty content
with IE 6 SP1 with those two browse DLLs files swapped out. At least so
far, knock on wood. And that horrible (and really, unacceptable) file copy
and delete problem appears to be rectified, at least!

Rick Chauvin wrote:
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine
I
tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably
they
were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files"
problem
itself.

Yes in once sense the new problems 'appeared on the surface' to be less
significant than the hassle of the other and it's reboot to clear, but
nonetheless it was nOt working right on a few levels. At the time I even
had
worked long and hard on the issue myself after it was discovered, and even
offered downloads of the files off my own server having also made quick
swap
bat's making the dll swap forward & backwards easy automated, etc, ...but
in
the long run I 'first hand' realized the dll swap hack and whatelse that
potentially wAs malfunctioning was just unacceptable to me, and for my own
quality piece of mind decided to scrap the hack and was better served to
move up to all the latest in IE6 and focus on that finally being fixed for
9x - if it isn't, well that's not my fault. I love using W200pro and I
love
using WXPro and so I'm moving on; but admit still also love to use 98SE


Yes I agree it should be fixed. nough said.

Rick
...ps, No the problem does not exist on W2K or WXP


Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is
another one of those things where I really can't understand what the
problem is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft
software programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix
it? Internet Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would
think
that two and a half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue
which affects one of the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.
BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a
different file manager such as FAR
(http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total Commander
(http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have
already noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and
so I hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did
(besides the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not
just to be coy, but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way
then and especially now after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs
an
issue or I would not of mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the
procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different
way and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed
themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm
not going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was
a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was
not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers
setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and
resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the
Shift
key down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from
triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold
positive intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or Windows 98 & 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan


"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ...
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine I
tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably they
were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files" problem
itself.

Yes in once sense the new problems 'appeared on the surface' to be less
significant than the hassle of the other and it's reboot to clear, but
nonetheless it was nOt working right on a few levels. At the time I even had
worked long and hard on the issue myself after it was discovered, and even
offered downloads of the files off my own server having also made quick swap
bat's making the dll swap forward & backwards easy automated, etc, ...but in
the long run I 'first hand' realized the dll swap hack and whatelse that
potentially wAs malfunctioning was just unacceptable to me, and for my own
quality piece of mind decided to scrap the hack and was better served to
move up to all the latest in IE6 and focus on that finally being fixed for
9x - if it isn't, well that's not my fault. I love using W200pro and I love
using WXPro and so I'm moving on; but admit still also love to use 98SE

Yes I agree it should be fixed. nough said.

Rick
...ps, No the problem does not exist on W2K or WXP


Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is
another one of those things where I really can't understand what the
problem is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft
software programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix
it? Internet Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would think
that two and a half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue
which affects one of the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.
BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a
different file manager such as FAR
(http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total Commander
(http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have
already noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and
so I hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did
(besides the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not
just to be coy, but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way
then and especially now after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an
issue or I would not of mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the
procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different
way and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm
not going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift
key down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from
triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold
positive intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or Windows 98
& 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan

IIRC it's all of them, but since I'm on SE at the moment which we know that's
100%, but in order for my memory to go from 95% sure about FE & ME I'd have
to re-image my backup partitions of them which would only take a few minutes,
but then install IE6 onto them and then test - I really have no immediate
plans to do that just to prove a 100% accuracy - unless it's a requirement
and MS told me they would fix it, including the MyDoc's anomaly if I did. vbg

Rick

Dreamer!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or
Windows 98
& 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan

IIRC it's all of them, but since I'm on SE at the moment which we know
that's
100%, but in order for my memory to go from 95% sure about FE & ME I'd
have
to re-image my backup partitions of them which would only take a few
minutes,
but then install IE6 onto them and then test - I really have no
immediate
plans to do that just to prove a 100% accuracy - unless it's a
requirement
and MS told me they would fix it, including the MyDoc's anomaly if I
did. vbg

Rick

Well, it *really* is a serious enough problem that they (MS) should revisit
the browseui.dll file and fix the damn thing.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Dreamer!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or Windows
98
& 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan

IIRC it's all of them, but since I'm on SE at the moment which we know
that's
100%, but in order for my memory to go from 95% sure about FE & ME I'd
have
to re-image my backup partitions of them which would only take a few
minutes,
but then install IE6 onto them and then test - I really have no immediate
plans to do that just to prove a 100% accuracy - unless it's a
requirement
and MS told me they would fix it, including the MyDoc's anomaly if I did.
vbg

Rick

OK, one of my friends has a Windows Me computer, I might test it there at some point.

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ...
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or Windows 98
& 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan

IIRC it's all of them, but since I'm on SE at the moment which we know that's
100%, but in order for my memory to go from 95% sure about FE & ME I'd have
to re-image my backup partitions of them which would only take a few minutes,
but then install IE6 onto them and then test - I really have no immediate
plans to do that just to prove a 100% accuracy - unless it's a requirement
and MS told me they would fix it, including the MyDoc's anomaly if I did. vbg

Rick

Might break something else(?) Anyway, MS has a Wishlist, Wishbox...
something like that. You could always ask.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, it *really* is a serious enough problem that they (MS) should
revisit
the browseui.dll file and fix the damn thing.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Dreamer!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message

Rick,

can you confirm that this is a problem only on Windows 98SE? Or
Windows
98
& 98SE? Or also Me?

Thanks,

Ivan

IIRC it's all of them, but since I'm on SE at the moment which we
know
that's
100%, but in order for my memory to go from 95% sure about FE & ME
I'd
have
to re-image my backup partitions of them which would only take a
few
minutes,
but then install IE6 onto them and then test - I really have no
immediate
plans to do that just to prove a 100% accuracy - unless it's a
requirement
and MS told me they would fix it, including the MyDoc's anomaly if
I did.
vbg

Rick