IE6 SP1, and the "large number of files, copy and delete problem"

Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working
out for you? Any problems?

Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|

PCR wrote:
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

Right - I remember that now.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail,

Well, those "losses" aren't too bad!!! (can always copy em back for the
IE Repair Tool)

unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.

Yeah, that's coming back now.

I'm wondering if anyone has been doing this for awhile now? I guess you
haven't swapped them out. I'm almost tempted to, though. I may do it.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete
a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone
is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
out for you? Any problems?

How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that make any difference?
Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems?


"PCR" wrote in message ...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|

I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was this
one:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br
owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group:micr
osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3

I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as a
pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane function
calls (just as a guess)

I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by replacing
just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just
mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's just
a guess on my part.

As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold
your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't
already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though)

Ivan Bútora wrote:
How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program
Files\Internet
Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that
make any difference?
Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with
IE
6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems?


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
out for you? Any problems?

Bútora, Colorado, I think Chauvin has more experience with it than I,
BUT suddenly I do recall testing it briefly. There's no harm in the
testing; JUST DON'T wipe the newer .DLL's in the process, is all. My
memory is hazy on it. Really, you must try it yourself, as I see Chauvin
mentions several possible triggers of the flaw I never knew of. Yours
may be different from mine.

I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were loaded. I
can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones into
"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (& put
the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...

At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you should
see the newer ones still...

browselc.dll 6.0.2800.1106 62 KB 8/29/02 12:00:00 AM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Microsoft Corporation

browseui.dll 6.0.2800.1612 994 KB 12/7/04 05:41:16 PM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Microsoft Corporation

...., & I guess that means you continue to have their protection in IE.

Can it be, it was at "...MSInfo32, Software Environment, 32-bit Modules
Loaded" that I saw all four? Anyway, I DID lose "Explorer, View menu,
Lock the Toolbars" in Explorer; so I knew Explorer was using the older
IE5.5 .DLLs.

Best to test it for yourself. I don't DO a massive Copy of .5 GB worth
of folders full of folders & files in Explorer all that often to make it
worthwhile for me. (In fact, I've NEVER done it, except to test this
stupid bug.) Anyway, my last tries using the NEW .dll's weren't all that
bad. After the Copy, which goes quick (2 mins.), Explorer seemed to
freeze,-- BUT hitting F5 caused it to update it's display immediately, &
all was well. I guess it was stuck at the refresh. However, there was a
problem Deleting that bunch-- seemed to run out of Resources, IIRC,
though Resource Meter disagreed. It wasn't pleasant, but the Delete got
done, & I rebooted. Better do that reboot!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PER

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was
this
| one:
|
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br
|
owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group:
micr
| osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3
|
| I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together
as a
| pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane
function
| calls (just as a guess)
|
| I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by
replacing
| just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just
| mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But
that's just
| a guess on my part.
|
| As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't
hold
| your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it
isn't
| already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though)
|
| Ivan Bútora wrote:
| How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program
| Files\Internet
| Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
| Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
| Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does
that
| make any difference?
| Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this
problem with
| IE
| 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating
systems?
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
| of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the
folder
| that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program
Files\Internet
| Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
| "C:Windows\System\".
|
| That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.
|
| You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
| fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you
do
| lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
| Explorer only.
|
| But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs
up
| the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
| delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL
files
| are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
| anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability
to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back,
but
| other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two
browse
| DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is
it
| working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|

PCR wrote:
Bútora, Colorado, I think Chauvin has more experience with it than I,
BUT suddenly I do recall testing it briefly. There's no harm in the
testing; JUST DON'T wipe the newer .DLL's in the process, is all. My
memory is hazy on it. Really, you must try it yourself, as I see Chauvin
mentions several possible triggers of the flaw I never knew of. Yours
may be different from mine.

I tried it, and am still on it, and love it. I ain't going back unless I
have to! The difference in file copies and deletes is just staggering.
Now explorer acts like it used to - and like it's supposed to.

I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were loaded. I
can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones into
"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (& put
the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...

I've done that already.

At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you should
see the newer ones still...

browselc.dll 6.0.2800.1106 62 KB 8/29/02 12:00:00 AM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Microsoft Corporation

browseui.dll 6.0.2800.1612 994 KB 12/7/04 05:41:16 PM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
Microsoft Corporation

..., & I guess that means you continue to have their protection in IE.

Can it be, it was at "...MSInfo32, Software Environment, 32-bit Modules
Loaded" that I saw all four?

I see all four, two in the system folder, two in the internet explorer
folder, just as expected.

Anyway, I DID lose "Explorer, View menu,
Lock the Toolbars" in Explorer; so I knew Explorer was using the older
IE5.5 .DLLs.

But who needs that in there, anyway. I don't lock em.

Best to test it for yourself. I don't DO a massive Copy of .5 GB worth
of folders full of folders & files in Explorer all that often to make it
worthwhile for me. (In fact, I've NEVER done it, except to test this
stupid bug.) Anyway, my last tries using the NEW .dll's weren't all that
bad. After the Copy, which goes quick (2 mins.), Explorer seemed to
freeze,-- BUT hitting F5 caused it to update it's display immediately, &
all was well. I guess it was stuck at the refresh. However, there was a
problem Deleting that bunch-- seemed to run out of Resources, IIRC,
though Resource Meter disagreed. It wasn't pleasant, but the Delete got
done, & I rebooted. Better do that reboot!

From my tests today, the difference is like night and day! Explorer is
*finally* working like it's supposed to! - like it used to, with no hangs,
so far, in my file copy and delete tests. Much better - and quite
noticeable. That previous hang in file copies and deletes was
unacceptable (for me).

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PER

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was
this
one:


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br

owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group:
micr
osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3

I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as
a
pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane
function
calls (just as a guess)

I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by
replacing
just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just
mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's
just
a guess on my part.

As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold
your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't
already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though)

Ivan Bútora wrote:
How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program
Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine.
Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does
that
make any difference?
Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem
with
IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating
systems?


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone
is using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working out for you? Any problems?

....and what about the IE 6 gold versions of the files - has anybody tried that?

"PCR" wrote in message ...
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions
of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder
that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into
"C:Windows\System\".

That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's.

You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will
fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do
lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in
Explorer only.

But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
| system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
| large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
| ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).
|
| I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
| swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
| using that now.
|
| From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
| "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
| than that, what's the verdict here?
|
| So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
| files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
| out for you? Any problems?
|
|

If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why
bother to run IE6 at all? You've certainly negated at least some of
security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up
the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or
delete a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if
anyone is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
out for you? Any problems?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why
bother to run IE6 at all?

Because I *have* it installed now, and it would be a pain in the ass to try
to get back to IE 5.5 at this point. The only reason I'm here on IE 6 in
the first place is because of some of those damn WU updates messin with my
system! I'm thru with them now. Period.

Perhaps you recall that old chinese proverb? Let me modify it - for my
case:
" fool me once, shame on you! "
" fool me twice, shame on you! "
" fool me thrice, shame on ME! "

I'm done with WU. Fortunately I'm stuck with IE 6 SP1, which is pretty
secure in its own right. And I'm leaving it at that - period.

You've certainly negated at least some of
security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5.

If you want to be totally secure, I'd suggest you wait until we move into
the next world, as it ain't gonna happen down here. Or, if you prefer,
accept that "true security lies within"

End of sermon. :-)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete
a
large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder
ecently - copy, and later delete that copy).

I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files
are
swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone
is
using that now.

From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to
"repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but
other
than that, what's the verdict here?

So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse
DLL
files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it
working
out for you? Any problems?