Installing Win 98 on new kit

I am currently trying to install Windows 98 onto a Core 2 Duo based
box. It freezes on the hardware detection part of the install (about
16 minutes to go). I can run it in Safe Mode but with no mouse and
would like to get past the install phase which doesn't show in Safe.
Once there, I will be able to install such drivers as I can find.

I'm doing this to play games that won't run on a newer OS and will be
triple booting it with Win2000 (no WPA) and a Linux or two.

Is there anything I can do in Safe Mode to force the install past the
hardware detection phase, e.g. kill something in the registry, a file
I haven't seen?

Motherboard identification is what will help us help you. What brand and
model is the motherboard?

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Hilarious" wrote in message
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I am currently trying to install Windows 98 onto a Core 2 Duo based
box. It freezes on the hardware detection part of the install (about
16 minutes to go). I can run it in Safe Mode but with no mouse and
would like to get past the install phase which doesn't show in Safe.
Once there, I will be able to install such drivers as I can find.

I'm doing this to play games that won't run on a newer OS and will be
triple booting it with Win2000 (no WPA) and a Linux or two.

Is there anything I can do in Safe Mode to force the install past the
hardware detection phase, e.g. kill something in the registry, a file
I haven't seen?

Might also try Virtual PC.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Hilarious" wrote in message
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I am currently trying to install Windows 98 onto a Core 2 Duo based
box. It freezes on the hardware detection part of the install (about
16 minutes to go). I can run it in Safe Mode but with no mouse and
would like to get past the install phase which doesn't show in Safe.
Once there, I will be able to install such drivers as I can find.

I'm doing this to play games that won't run on a newer OS and will be
triple booting it with Win2000 (no WPA) and a Linux or two.

Is there anything I can do in Safe Mode to force the install past the
hardware detection phase, e.g. kill something in the registry, a file
I haven't seen?

"Hilarious" wrote in message
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I am currently trying to install Windows 98 onto a Core 2 Duo based
box. It freezes on the hardware detection part of the install (about
16 minutes to go). I can run it in Safe Mode but with no mouse and
would like to get past the install phase which doesn't show in Safe.
Once there, I will be able to install such drivers as I can find.

I'm doing this to play games that won't run on a newer OS and will be
triple booting it with Win2000 (no WPA) and a Linux or two.

Is there anything I can do in Safe Mode to force the install past the
hardware detection phase, e.g. kill something in the registry, a file
I haven't seen?


Not likely to get win98 working on that machine.

Win98 can fail on some CPU's higher than 2.2ghz.

will require a vcache tweak for RAM over 512 megs...

and it's very unlikely you'd be able to get chipset drivers etc for a
machine that new.

If the games don't run on win2k you could try running them on Wine (in
Linux)


Or as suggested elsewhere, install win98 in a virtual machine

On 24 Feb, 10:23, "philo" wrote:
"Hilarious" wrote in message

Not likely to get win98 working on that machine.
[snip]
If the games don't run on win2k you could try running them on Wine (in
Linux)

Or as suggested elsewhere, install win98 in a virtual machine

Thanks to both of you. Quality advice is wonderful to receive!

It makes me a little sad to think that Win98 is a no-hoper on my flash
new kit (Foxconn P9657AA-8EKRS2H by the way, 1GB DDR2). I shall try
the wine route - I have failed many times along it - but not the
Virtual PC one as I am running (defunct?) W2000 not XP, etc.

I am also having troubles installing/running-live Linuxes on this new
kit as well. I thought these woes were related but can see many
other reasons why they probaly aren't.

Thanks again.

Hilarious wrote:

It makes me a little sad to think that Win98 is a no-hoper on my
flash new kit (Foxconn P9657AA-8EKRS2H by the way, 1GB DDR2).

What is a "flash new kit" ?

Do you mean "brand new motherboard" ?

Yes, win-98 probably will not run because it has an Intel chipset
(Intel ICH8R). Win-98 support for intel chipsets stopped at ICH5R.

Why don't you get this motherboard instead:

ASROCK 775D-VSTA

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...ual-VSTA&s=775

It's got both AGP and PCI-e slots, and I've gotten it to work great on
Win-98.

I paid something like $80 (CDN) for it.

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which it looks like you must do on
that board, just like mine, in fact.. Have to set everything to IDE (in
BIOS) and pray. Or put one IDE drive and one CD drive on the IDE channel,
disable the rest. Heck, I have trouble installing Vista on mine, never mind
98. XP handles it just fine, though. I know, not much help, but if it's the
drivers... all bets are off.

Limiting RAM as suggested, which can be done in Safe Mode, might help help.
See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm.htm

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On 24 Feb, 10:23, "philo" wrote:
"Hilarious" wrote in message

Not likely to get win98 working on that machine.
[snip]
If the games don't run on win2k you could try running them on Wine (in
Linux)

Or as suggested elsewhere, install win98 in a virtual machine

Thanks to both of you. Quality advice is wonderful to receive!

It makes me a little sad to think that Win98 is a no-hoper on my flash
new kit (Foxconn P9657AA-8EKRS2H by the way, 1GB DDR2). I shall try
the wine route - I have failed many times along it - but not the
Virtual PC one as I am running (defunct?) W2000 not XP, etc.

I am also having troubles installing/running-live Linuxes on this new
kit as well. I thought these woes were related but can see many
other reasons why they probaly aren't.

Thanks again.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else.
Especially if you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which
it looks like you must do on that board

Why do you say that?

You can always choose to connect the hard drive to the standard IDE
adapter and not use the Jmicron raid.

If there is no win-98 driver for the ICH8 south bridge, then how far
are you going to get anyways?

Not very far, of course. Why do I say that? For the same reason you did. I
looked at the specs and made the only suggestions I could think of. Not that
I think it will make a whit of difference.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else.
Especially if you're using the JMicron RAID channels, which
it looks like you must do on that board

Why do you say that?

You can always choose to connect the hard drive to the standard IDE
adapter and not use the Jmicron raid.

If there is no win-98 driver for the ICH8 south bridge, then how far
are you going to get anyways?

On Feb 25, 1:17 am, "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
I suspect it's the lack of drivers more than anything else. Especially if
you're using the JMicron RAID channels,

Many thanks again.
I am not using the RAID aspect of the JMicron driver, just the SATA,
the which drive is happily (with some reservations about using that
work in this context!) booting W98 SE in normal mode- until it freezes
of course - and all the way in safe mode. So I don't think it is the
HDD that it is choking on during the install. As an aside - I think -
I notice that the safe mode intro message says that all driver
installs are off in safe mode and this seems to include my mouse, even
after jamming a serial mouse (I still have one!) in there is no mouse
function. Being an old hand, I am not fazed by such a lack...

See:
"Memory Management in Win98 & ME"http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.php

I tried inserting the three SYSTEM.INI entries offered but they didn't
help this current problem but I'm sure will once I get this sorted.

Try a PS/2 mouse if you haven't already. Might work in Safe Mode.

Done that. Even a serial mouse doesn't run at this stage of the
install...

Which brings me back to my original plea:
Can anybody who is intimate with the setup process of Win98 please
give me a silver bullet which will circumvent this blockage and get
Win98 running - even limping - on bootup?

Cheers

Hil, the ever-hopeful