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Help: Boot Screen Info
I replaced a 233mhz processor inside of a Compaq Deskpro with a 333mhz
processor, which is the maximum the motherboard will take. But now upon boot-up, the memory count and initial screens no longer show. It's starts on the white "Compaq" screen, followed by the "Windows 98" screen, and then the desktop. Is there anyway to change this so that I can actually see the memory count-up and processor it now has? I can't get into the BIOS because any key I hit(F10,F11,DEL, ect.) after powering on results in the "301-Keyboard error" screen.(I get nothing but a black screen if I try ESC). Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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Darren Harris wrote:
I replaced a 233mhz processor inside of a Compaq Deskpro with a 333mhz processor, which is the maximum the motherboard will take. But now upon boot-up, the memory count and initial screens no longer show. It's starts on the white "Compaq" screen, followed by the "Windows 98" screen, and then the desktop. Sounds as if the memory count is going through too fast. Have you tried to unplug the keyboard and wait for the "no keyboard" error message to appear, and then plug in the keyboard? I think that'll give you enough of a pause so that you can go into BIOS setup that way. BTW, at 233Mhz to 333Mhz, I assume you've replaced a Intel Pentium with an AMD K6 of some sort? Yousuf Khan |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message .rogers.com...
Darren Harris wrote: I replaced a 233mhz processor inside of a Compaq Deskpro with a 333mhz processor, which is the maximum the motherboard will take. But now upon boot-up, the memory count and initial screens no longer show. It's starts on the white "Compaq" screen, followed by the "Windows 98" screen, and then the desktop. Sounds as if the memory count is going through too fast. Have you tried to unplug the keyboard and wait for the "no keyboard" error message to appear, and then plug in the keyboard? ?!? There is no memory count. The machine starts at the white Compaq logo screen. I think that'll give you enough of a pause so that you can go into BIOS setup that way. BTW, at 233Mhz to 333Mhz, I assume you've replaced a Intel Pentium with an AMD K6 of some sort? ?!? You can't swap an Intel for an AMD. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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Darren Harris wrote:
"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message .rogers.com... Darren Harris wrote: I replaced a 233mhz processor inside of a Compaq Deskpro with a 333mhz processor, which is the maximum the motherboard will take. But now upon boot-up, the memory count and initial screens no longer show. It's starts on the white "Compaq" screen, followed by the "Windows 98" screen, and then the desktop. Sounds as if the memory count is going through too fast. Have you tried to unplug the keyboard and wait for the "no keyboard" error message to appear, and then plug in the keyboard? ?!? There is no memory count. The machine starts at the white Compaq logo screen. So have you tried unplugging the keyboard prior to bootup? That should prevent it from booting into Windows 98 until it sees a keyboard. BTW, at 233Mhz to 333Mhz, I assume you've replaced a Intel Pentium with an AMD K6 of some sort? ?!? You can't swap an Intel for an AMD. Sure you could, in the old days prior to the advent of the Athlon. All of the old K6 chips were plug-in compatible with Pentium chips, and could use the same motherboards as Pentiums. Prior to that all AMD 486's were plug compatible with Intel 486's, etc. Yousuf Khan |
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"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message .rogers.com...
Darren Harris wrote: "Yousuf Khan" wrote in message .rogers.com... Darren Harris wrote: I replaced a 233mhz processor inside of a Compaq Deskpro with a 333mhz processor, which is the maximum the motherboard will take. But now upon boot-up, the memory count and initial screens no longer show. It's starts on the white "Compaq" screen, followed by the "Windows 98" screen, and then the desktop. Sounds as if the memory count is going through too fast. Have you tried to unplug the keyboard and wait for the "no keyboard" error message to appear, and then plug in the keyboard? ?!? There is no memory count. The machine starts at the white Compaq logo screen. So have you tried unplugging the keyboard prior to bootup? That should prevent it from booting into Windows 98 until it sees a keyboard. Unplugging the keyboard affects nothing. It still continues to the desktop. BTW, at 233Mhz to 333Mhz, I assume you've replaced a Intel Pentium with an AMD K6 of some sort? ?!? You can't swap an Intel for an AMD. Sure you could, in the old days prior to the advent of the Athlon. All of the old K6 chips were plug-in compatible with Pentium chips, and could use the same motherboards as Pentiums. Prior to that all AMD 486's were plug Okay. I was thinking about trying put the original 233mhz chip back in to see if it will start showing the early screens again. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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Darren Harris wrote:
George Macdonald wrote in message . .. Why don't you tell us *which* CPU you had/have instead of arguing without the facts... and yes a Pentium *could* be replaced by a K6 in many Socket 7 mbrds. I'm guessing Slot 1 Pentium II?? I did say in the post that started this thread that I replaced a 233mhz with a 333mhz.(333mhz is the highest that the motherboard will take). But that's not enough information. You also need to tell us whether it was a Pentium I or Pentium II, for example. 233Mhz or 333Mhz is just the clockspeed at which a particular processor model ran at, but there were various Intel or AMD models that ran at 233Mhz and various other models at 333Mhz. For example the original Pentium I models (i.e. Pentium & Pentium MMX), ran at speeds ranging from 50Mhz all of the way upto 233Mhz. Pentium II models ranged from 233Mhz upto 450Mhz. AMD K6 (i.e. K6, K6-II and K6-III) models ranged from 166Mhz to 550Mhz. So you can see there was an overlap in the clockspeed ratings of Pentium and Pentium II, and it happened to be right at that 233Mhz; and there was an overlap of clock speeds between K6 and Pentium II at 333Mhz. If you don't know what model of processor you have, then one thing you can do is to actually let the machine boot into Windows 98 and then once it's settled down, take your mouse and right click on the My Computer icon and select Properties. That should tell you whether you have a Pentium or Pentium II. My suggestion is to look for a BIOS update and if available, install it with the old 233MHz CPU - then try the switch again. If no BIOS update is available, it's likely that Compaq has something in their proprietary BIOS which prevents using a faster CPU. OEMs do that kind of thing - one of the principal reasons that enthusiasts shun their wares. Where can I get a BIOS update, and how do I install it? Well, HP's website, for one. Do a search on your particular Compaq model under the HP support pages. Another way to find out what processor your computer originally had is to do this search for your model of computer and it should state what processors were inside that machine, as well as what clockspeeds those processors ran at. However, one possibility to consider is that this white Compaq screen is just a normal bootup screen. Various manufacturers have this feature where they have a pretty bootup screen and an ugly bootup screen. The ugly bootup screen is the screen where you see all of the boot info like memory count, device list, etc. This white Compaq logo screen might just be the pretty boot screen, which hides all of this ugly detail. Often the way to switch from the pretty to the ugly screen is to get into the BIOS configuration, and this would just be one of the options within the configuration. It's possible that once you replaced the processor, that all of the options in the BIOS configuration were reset to defaults and one of the defaults was to use the pretty screen rather than the ugly screen. Yousuf Khan |
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I did say in the post that started this thread that I replaced a
233mhz with a 333mhz.(333mhz is the highest that the motherboard will take). But that's not enough information. You also need to tell us whether it was a Pentium I or Pentium II, for example. 233Mhz or 333Mhz is just the clockspeed at which a particular processor model ran at, but there were various Intel or AMD models that ran at 233Mhz and various other models at 333Mhz. For example the original Pentium I models (i.e. Pentium & Pentium MMX), ran at speeds ranging from 50Mhz all of the way upto 233Mhz. Pentium II models ranged from 233Mhz upto 450Mhz. AMD K6 (i.e. K6, K6-II and K6-III) models ranged from 166Mhz to 550Mhz. So you can see there was an overlap in the clockspeed ratings of Pentium and Pentium II, and it happened to be right at that 233Mhz; and there was an overlap of clock speeds between K6 and Pentium II at 333Mhz. I swapped a Pentium 2 233mhz for a Pentium 2 333mhz. But how would the difference between a Pentium 1 or Pentium 2 account for my inability to get into BIOS? If you don't know what model of processor you have, then one thing you can do is to actually let the machine boot into Windows 98 and then once it's settled down, take your mouse and right click on the My Computer icon and select Properties. That should tell you whether you have a Pentium or Pentium II. That does not show the CPU clock speed. And I know exactly what processor I have. I am trying to get the system to show it. My suggestion is to look for a BIOS update and if available, install it with the old 233MHz CPU - then try the switch again. If no BIOS update is available, it's likely that Compaq has something in their proprietary BIOS which prevents using a faster CPU. OEMs do that kind of thing - one of the principal reasons that enthusiasts shun their wares. Where can I get a BIOS update, and how do I install it? Well, HP's website, for one. Do a search on your particular Compaq model under the HP support pages. Another way to find out what processor your computer originally had is to do this search for your model of computer and it should state what processors were inside that machine, as well as what clockspeeds those processors ran at. That's the problem. Compaq purposely didn't label certain components inside their systems, so that they would have an "out" when they used inconsistent components from one system to the next, even though those systems were designated to be the same. There is no model number on either of these Compaq deskpro PCs I have. In fact there is no way tell what model motherboards they have just by opening up the case and looking for a model number. However, one possibility to consider is that this white Compaq screen is just a normal bootup screen. Various manufacturers have this feature where they have a pretty bootup screen and an ugly bootup screen. The ugly bootup screen is the screen where you see all of the boot info like memory count, device list, etc. This white Compaq logo screen might just be the pretty boot screen, which hides all of this ugly detail. Often the way to switch from the pretty to the ugly screen is to get into the BIOS configuration, and this would just be one of the options within the configuration. It's possible that once you replaced the processor, that all of the options in the BIOS configuration were reset to defaults and one of the defaults was to use the pretty screen rather than the ugly screen. Nope. When this Compaq still had the 233mhz processor installed, the info screens were there upon boot-up. And like I mentioned, since I installed the 333mhz chip, there is no longer an option to go into the BIOS to change anything. Why would default not include the option of entering BIOS? I'm certain that this just another one of Compaq's tricks to mak things difficult for the end user who is trying to upgrade. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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On 27 Jun 2004 15:30:16 -0700, (Darren Harris)
wrote: I did say in the post that started this thread that I replaced a 233mhz with a 333mhz.(333mhz is the highest that the motherboard will take). But that's not enough information. You also need to tell us whether it was a Pentium I or Pentium II, for example. 233Mhz or 333Mhz is just the clockspeed at which a particular processor model ran at, but there were various Intel or AMD models that ran at 233Mhz and various other models at 333Mhz. For example the original Pentium I models (i.e. Pentium & Pentium MMX), ran at speeds ranging from 50Mhz all of the way upto 233Mhz. Pentium II models ranged from 233Mhz upto 450Mhz. AMD K6 (i.e. K6, K6-II and K6-III) models ranged from 166Mhz to 550Mhz. So you can see there was an overlap in the clockspeed ratings of Pentium and Pentium II, and it happened to be right at that 233Mhz; and there was an overlap of clock speeds between K6 and Pentium II at 333Mhz. I swapped a Pentium 2 233mhz for a Pentium 2 333mhz. But how would the difference between a Pentium 1 or Pentium 2 account for my inability to get into BIOS? It wouldn't but we're trying to get to the root of your problem and it's important to know exactly what you have and had... to figure whether your BIOS or mbrd may or may not (officially) support the upgraded CPU. Intel produced several variations of Pentium II - e.g. some supported caching of only 512MB of memory and others 4GB; some supported ECC on the L2 cache and others didn't; some supported variable clock speed multipliers and others didn't. It's important that the BIOS recognize which is which and set appropriate parameters. The SL spec# on the package would indicate which you have - not sure if the SL spec# table is still available at Intel's Web site but if you post them, I can look your SL spec#s up on a CD-ROM I have if you need it. If you don't know what model of processor you have, then one thing you can do is to actually let the machine boot into Windows 98 and then once it's settled down, take your mouse and right click on the My Computer icon and select Properties. That should tell you whether you have a Pentium or Pentium II. That does not show the CPU clock speed. And I know exactly what processor I have. I am trying to get the system to show it. If you know exactly what CPU you have it would have helped avoid confusion if you had specified it earlier. DirectX diagnostics will report the actual speed your CPU is running at and there's an Intel CPUID utility available at their Web site which will tell everything you need to know about your CPU - the install file name is fidenuxx.exe, where xx=version#. My suggestion is to look for a BIOS update and if available, install it with the old 233MHz CPU - then try the switch again. If no BIOS update is available, it's likely that Compaq has something in their proprietary BIOS which prevents using a faster CPU. OEMs do that kind of thing - one of the principal reasons that enthusiasts shun their wares. Where can I get a BIOS update, and how do I install it? Well, HP's website, for one. Do a search on your particular Compaq model under the HP support pages. Another way to find out what processor your computer originally had is to do this search for your model of computer and it should state what processors were inside that machine, as well as what clockspeeds those processors ran at. That's the problem. Compaq purposely didn't label certain components inside their systems, so that they would have an "out" when they used inconsistent components from one system to the next, even though those systems were designated to be the same. There is no model number on either of these Compaq deskpro PCs I have. In fact there is no way tell what model motherboards they have just by opening up the case and looking for a model number. Surely there's a plate or label on the rear of the case which specifies some Compaq model number - no? Even a computer model, like Deskpro 6000 Desktop PC would allow you to download manuals, BIOS updates, software diagnostics etc. from he http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...&lang=en&cc=us However, one possibility to consider is that this white Compaq screen is just a normal bootup screen. Various manufacturers have this feature where they have a pretty bootup screen and an ugly bootup screen. The ugly bootup screen is the screen where you see all of the boot info like memory count, device list, etc. This white Compaq logo screen might just be the pretty boot screen, which hides all of this ugly detail. Often the way to switch from the pretty to the ugly screen is to get into the BIOS configuration, and this would just be one of the options within the configuration. It's possible that once you replaced the processor, that all of the options in the BIOS configuration were reset to defaults and one of the defaults was to use the pretty screen rather than the ugly screen. Nope. When this Compaq still had the 233mhz processor installed, the info screens were there upon boot-up. And like I mentioned, since I installed the 333mhz chip, there is no longer an option to go into the BIOS to change anything. Why would default not include the option of entering BIOS? I'm certain that this just another one of Compaq's tricks to mak things difficult for the end user who is trying to upgrade. Nope??? Yousuf is correct here - it's likely that the change of CPU caused the BIOS startup sequence to be reset to the default "pretty" screen. It's also (remotely) possible that your mbrd doesn't support that particular version of Pentium II 333MHz - IOW it did not recognize the CPUID so it won't let you into the BIOS Setup. In that case it *might* be running the CPU with the wrong settings... hopefully not the voltage which is different between the 233MHz (2.8V) and 333MHz (2.0V). BTW when you get the keyboard error on trying to enter BIOS Setup, I think it's because you're pressing the key too early, before the BIOS is ready to accept that input. Whatever key you used to press before (F10 ?) to enter BIOS Setup is likely still the same, unless the pretty screen has a different key?? Surely that'd be in the manual which can be downloaded. At worst, you could try disconnecting some component like the hard disk or floppy disk to provoke an error in BIOS POST which should trigger a BIOS Setup option. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
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