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  #1  
Old July 24th 04, 01:51 AM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
errors" on drive C: gave this message:

Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
check utility.

3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\softw a~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.

Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program Files\.

By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
on my old drive.

So I seem to have two problems.
1) Extremely slow performance, and
2) the problem with paths.

What are these problems and how can I correct them.

Sincerely, Stan Hilliard
  #2  
Old July 24th 04, 05:59 AM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
errors" on drive C: gave this message:

Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
check utility.

3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\soft wa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.

Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program Files\.

By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
on my old drive.

So I seem to have two problems.
1) Extremely slow performance, and
2) the problem with paths.

What are these problems and how can I correct them.

Sincerely, Stan Hilliard


I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
difference in drives.

With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or reporting.
With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice the
long DOS paths.

Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
problem.

I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
(like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
the problem is not steady.

I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.

Any suggestions?

Stan Hilliard
  #3  
Old July 24th 04, 07:15 PM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
errors" on drive C: gave this message:

Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
check utility.

3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.

Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program Files\.

By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
on my old drive.

So I seem to have two problems.
1) Extremely slow performance, and
2) the problem with paths.

What are these problems and how can I correct them.

Sincerely, Stan Hilliard


I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
difference in drives.

With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or reporting.
With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice the
long DOS paths.

Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
problem.

I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
(like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
the problem is not steady.

I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.


I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the new
drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on another
partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I got
this message:

"Disk write error
Unable to write to drive C:
Data or files may be lost"

I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:

Here is more information that I have discovered:

If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
the window -- explorer.

The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
works immediately and sometimes the long delay.

Stan Hilliard
  #4  
Old July 24th 04, 07:54 PM
PCR
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

Do you do large deletes in Explorer before you experience these delays?
It is a flaw that some have experienced after upgrading to IE6, that
large deletes using Explorer may cause subsequent delay to perform any
Explorer task, including clicking the START button. The task gets done,
& a reboot will eliminate further delays, until the next large delete.

Best solution may be to do such deletes in a Windows DOS box.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in
message ...
| On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| wrote:
|
| On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| wrote:
|
| I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
| the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.
|
| skipping a few steps
|
| 1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
| drive.
|
| 2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
| errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
| errors" on drive C: gave this message:
|
| Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
| check utility.
|
| 3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)
|
| C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
| folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
| of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.
|
| Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program
Files\.
|
| By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
| on my old drive.
|
| So I seem to have two problems.
| 1) Extremely slow performance, and
| 2) the problem with paths.
|
| What are these problems and how can I correct them.
|
| Sincerely, Stan Hilliard
|
| I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
| paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
| difference in drives.
|
| With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
| checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or
reporting.
| With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice
the
| long DOS paths.
|
| Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
| problem.
|
| I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
| (like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
| the problem is not steady.
|
| I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
| normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
| seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
| start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
| to a new item, and sometimes not!
|
| Information:
| The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
| The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.
|
| I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the new
| drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
| 1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on another
| partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I got
| this message:
|
| "Disk write error
| Unable to write to drive C:
| Data or files may be lost"
|
| I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
| those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:
|
| Here is more information that I have discovered:
|
| If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
| the window -- explorer.
|
| The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
| for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
| from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
| menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
| happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
| item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
| works immediately and sometimes the long delay.
|
| Stan Hilliard


  #5  
Old July 24th 04, 09:19 PM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:54:27 -0400, "PCR" wrote:

Do you do large deletes in Explorer before you experience these delays?
It is a flaw that some have experienced after upgrading to IE6, that
large deletes using Explorer may cause subsequent delay to perform any
Explorer task, including clicking the START button. The task gets done,
& a reboot will eliminate further delays, until the next large delete.

Best solution may be to do such deletes in a Windows DOS box.
PCR


While I was copying partitions I had my two HDDs plus the would-be new
HDD cabled up.Halfway through I stopped and deleted some files from a
partition with a drive letter that does not exist now that I am down
to two HDDs. (I don't remember the size but it could have been a
folder full.)

But the deleted files were still in the recycle bin when I switched
drives. I could not remove them from the recycle bin until I deleted
another file and then removed them all.

Another problem: I can't access web pages on the Internet with IE6,
but I can use my email program (Pegasus) and my news reader (Agent)

I don't know if this indicates anything, but when I [cntl][alt][del]
right after boot-up, there is only one thing running -- explorer.

Stan Hilliard

=========

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in
message ...
| On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| wrote:
|
| On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| wrote:
|
| I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
| the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.
|
| skipping a few steps
|
| 1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
| drive.
|
| 2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
| errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
| errors" on drive C: gave this message:
|
| Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
| check utility.
|
| 3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)
|
| C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
| folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
| of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.
|
| Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program
Files\.
|
| By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
| on my old drive.
|
| So I seem to have two problems.
| 1) Extremely slow performance, and
| 2) the problem with paths.
|
| What are these problems and how can I correct them.
|
| Sincerely, Stan Hilliard
|
| I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
| paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
| difference in drives.
|
| With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
| checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or
reporting.
| With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice
the
| long DOS paths.
|
| Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
| problem.
|
| I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
| (like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
| the problem is not steady.
|
| I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
| normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
| seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
| start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
| to a new item, and sometimes not!
|
| Information:
| The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
| The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.
|
| I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the new
| drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
| 1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on another
| partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I got
| this message:
|
| "Disk write error
| Unable to write to drive C:
| Data or files may be lost"
|
| I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
| those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:
|
| Here is more information that I have discovered:
|
| If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
| the window -- explorer.
|
| The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
| for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
| from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
| menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
| happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
| item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
| works immediately and sometimes the long delay.
|
| Stan Hilliard


  #6  
Old July 24th 04, 11:06 PM
glee
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
errors" on drive C: gave this message:

Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
check utility.

3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.

Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program Files\.

By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
on my old drive.

So I seem to have two problems.
1) Extremely slow performance, and
2) the problem with paths.

What are these problems and how can I correct them.

Sincerely, Stan Hilliard


I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
difference in drives.

With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or reporting.
With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice the
long DOS paths.

Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
problem.

I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
(like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
the problem is not steady.

I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.


I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the new
drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on another
partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I got
this message:

"Disk write error
Unable to write to drive C:
Data or files may be lost"

I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:

Here is more information that I have discovered:

If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
the window -- explorer.

The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
works immediately and sometimes the long delay.

Stan Hilliard


Check the new drive (Seagate?) with Seagate's SeaTools diagnostics:
Seagate SeaTools:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/index.html

Download:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/B7a.html
http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...toold_reg.html

Error codes:
http://www.seagate.com/support/npf/s...ror_index.html
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



  #7  
Old July 24th 04, 11:55 PM
Bill Blanton
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition.


3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.


This isn't really a problem until you try to access these directories in DOS.
I wouldn't keep any critical data in one of these long named dirs, if for
recovery reasons you need to copy them off using DOS.

Chose "Ignore" when prompted by scandisk, or configure Scandskw to
not report "MSDOS name length errors" under the "Advanced" options.


I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.


as I up the Internet I got
this message:

"Disk write error
Unable to write to drive C:
Data or files may be lost"

I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:


A couple of things you can try.

Download and run "Seatools" from Seagates site and direct it to do
a "full diagnostic"
http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...toold_reg.html

Boot to DOS and do a SCANDISK /ALL /SURFACE Pay attention to
the cluster counter, and note any "hangs".


Here is more information that I have discovered:

If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
the window -- explorer.


Does Msconfig startup tab show any items?


The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
works immediately and sometimes the long delay.


Check that virtual memory settings are ok. (let windows manage).

If the disk passes all tests, I would delete the partition and recopy it using
the PM boot disk. Did you do a resize also? I would do a copy retaining the
20GB. There is a cluster size difference between the two. Mabey PM didn't
handle it well?




  #8  
Old July 25th 04, 07:03 PM
PCR
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

I see Glee & especially Blanton have arrived with poignant comments &
questions. I'll keep an eye out but don't want to spoil the broth.

It isn't what I thought, if a large delete doesn't precede each
occurrence. Also, a reboot would make all well.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in
message ...
| On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:54:27 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
|
| Do you do large deletes in Explorer before you experience these
delays?
| It is a flaw that some have experienced after upgrading to IE6, that
| large deletes using Explorer may cause subsequent delay to perform
any
| Explorer task, including clicking the START button. The task gets
done,
| & a reboot will eliminate further delays, until the next large
delete.
|
| Best solution may be to do such deletes in a Windows DOS box.
| PCR
|
| While I was copying partitions I had my two HDDs plus the would-be new
| HDD cabled up.Halfway through I stopped and deleted some files from a
| partition with a drive letter that does not exist now that I am down
| to two HDDs. (I don't remember the size but it could have been a
| folder full.)
|
| But the deleted files were still in the recycle bin when I switched
| drives. I could not remove them from the recycle bin until I deleted
| another file and then removed them all.
|
| Another problem: I can't access web pages on the Internet with IE6,
| but I can use my email program (Pegasus) and my news reader (Agent)
|
| I don't know if this indicates anything, but when I [cntl][alt][del]
| right after boot-up, there is only one thing running -- explorer.
|
| Stan Hilliard
|
| =========
|
| "Stan Hilliard" wrote in
| message ...
| | On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| | wrote:
| |
| | On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
| | wrote:
| |
| | I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions
from
| | the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.
| |
| | skipping a few steps
| |
| | 1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the
new
| | drive.
| |
| | 2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
| | errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
| | errors" on drive C: gave this message:
| |
| | Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating
system
| | check utility.
| |
| | 3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)
| |
| |
C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'

| | folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the
names
| | of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.
| |
| | Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program
| Files\.
| |
| | By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same
paths
| | on my old drive.
| |
| | So I seem to have two problems.
| | 1) Extremely slow performance, and
| | 2) the problem with paths.
| |
| | What are these problems and how can I correct them.
| |
| | Sincerely, Stan Hilliard
| |
| | I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
| | paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
| | difference in drives.
| |
| | With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix
errors"
| | checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or
| reporting.
| | With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice
| the
| | long DOS paths.
| |
| | Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a
long-term
| | problem.
| |
| | I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to
master
| | (like the old drive was). That might have improved performance,
but
| | the problem is not steady.
| |
| | I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
| | normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
| | seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
| | start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the
focus
| | to a new item, and sometimes not!
| |
| | Information:
| | The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
| | The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.
| |
| | I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the
new
| | drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
| | 1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on
another
| | partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I
got
| | this message:
| |
| | "Disk write error
| | Unable to write to drive C:
| | Data or files may be lost"
| |
| | I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one
of
| | those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:
| |
| | Here is more information that I have discovered:
| |
| | If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing
in
| | the window -- explorer.
| |
| | The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
| | for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an
item
| | from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from
one
| | menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
| | happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to
the
| | item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes
it
| | works immediately and sometimes the long delay.
| |
| | Stan Hilliard
|
|


  #9  
Old July 26th 04, 09:02 PM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:55:19 -0400, "Bill Blanton"
wrote:


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition.


3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.


This isn't really a problem until you try to access these directories in DOS.
I wouldn't keep any critical data in one of these long named dirs, if for
recovery reasons you need to copy them off using DOS.


I corrected the directories where I had data. The only files that have
long path names now are for Hewitt Packard and Real Player -- which I
will leave alone.

Chose "Ignore" when prompted by scandisk, or configure Scandskw to
not report "MSDOS name length errors" under the "Advanced" options.


I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.


as I dial up the Internet I got
this message:

"Disk write error
Unable to write to drive C:
Data or files may be lost"

I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:


A couple of things you can try.

Download and run "Seatools" from Seagates site and direct it to do
a "full diagnostic"
http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...toold_reg.html


See where I explained my experience with this elsewhere above in this
thread.

Boot to DOS and do a SCANDISK /ALL /SURFACE Pay attention to
the cluster counter, and note any "hangs".


Here is more information that I have discovered:

If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
the window -- explorer.


Does Msconfig startup tab show any items?


The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
works immediately and sometimes the long delay.


Check that virtual memory settings are ok. (let windows manage).


Before copying the C: partition to the new drive, Windows was set to
use drive H: for virtual memory. This could be it, but I can't boot to
that partition anymore to check it because of changes that I made.

If the disk passes all tests, I would delete the partition and recopy it using
the PM boot disk. Did you do a resize also? I would do a copy retaining the
20GB. There is a cluster size difference between the two. Mabey PM didn't
handle it well?


I did resize the partition (upward) Is there a problem with this?

I deleted and recreated empty partitions using PM. After resizing, I
used xcopy in a DOS window to transfer the data.

xcopy c:\ e: /e/h/k/r/c

SeaTools doesn't find any problem, but when I make it the boot drive
it won't start windows.

Another problem:
I have previously copied some partitions to the new HDD using the PM
recovery disk. But now, I cannot start the PM recovery disk while the
new drive is connected to the PC. PM produces the message:

Error #91 Disk Manager has been detected on drive 3.
If you no longer need to use Disk Manager on your hard drive, you can
fix Error 91 by removing the Disk Manager signature from the Master
Boot Record (MBR). If you are not sure whether you still need to use
Disk Manager, contact your hard drive manufacturer. They can tell you
not only if you still need Disk Manager, but also how to repair it. If
you determine it is all right to erase the Disk Manager signature,
perform the following.... (It then explains using FDISK /CMBR
drivenumber)

Clicking [OK] produces another:

Error87 Unable to recognize the engine.

I have sent a message to Seagate Support.

Stan Hilliard

  #10  
Old July 26th 04, 09:04 PM
Stan Hilliard
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Default Problem in Windows 98SE after changing hard drive.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:06:01 -0400, "glee"
wrote:

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:59:17 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I replaced my 20 G HDD with a 80 G HDD. I copied the partitions from
the old to the new drive with Partition Magic version 6.

skipping a few steps

1) After changing drives, it took 8-10 minutes to boot off the new
drive.

2) The Partition magic "Partitioninfo" utility does not find any
errors with the C: partition. However, Partition Magic "Check for
errors" on drive C: gave this message:

Error - 993. Partition contains open files. Use the operating system
check utility.

3) Scandisk showed about 15 files with this message: (example)

C:\Windows\desktop\hhser~1\develo~1\software\sof twa~2xx&\helpfo~1'
folder cannot be opened because its MS-DOS name, including the names
of any folders it is in, is larger than 66 characters.

Most of these errors involved files in \Windows\ and \Program Files\.

By the way, Scandisk does not have any problem with those same paths
on my old drive.

So I seem to have two problems.
1) Extremely slow performance, and
2) the problem with paths.

What are these problems and how can I correct them.

Sincerely, Stan Hilliard

I have learned that the reason that scandisk did not find long DOS
paths on my old drive but did on the new drive is not due to the
difference in drives.

With the new drive, I unchecked Scandisk's "automatically fix errors"
checkbox, which apparently caused it to do more checking or reporting.
With "automatically fix errors" checked, Scandisk does not notice the
long DOS paths.

Actually, this helped me to discover and fix the cause of a long-term
problem.

I have changed the new drive's jumper from "cable select" to master
(like the old drive was). That might have improved performance, but
the problem is not steady.

I still have the performance problem. The PC now performs at
normal/fast speed for a while and then it will freeze up for 20
seconds to 1 minute or more. One place that this happens is in the
start menu, where there is sometimes long delays in moving the focus
to a new item, and sometimes not!

Information:
The new HDD is a Seagate 80 G ATA100.
The old HDD is/was an IBM 20 G ATA 100.


I now don't think that the problem is slow reading of data on the new
drive. This because my new-mail folder (using Pegasus) containing
1,300 messages loads as fast as it ever did. That data is on another
partition (E on the same drive. However, as I up the Internet I got
this message:

"Disk write error
Unable to write to drive C:
Data or files may be lost"

I then copied a text file from E: to C:. It copied but it had one of
those 1 minute delays. Another delay when I deleted it from C:

Here is more information that I have discovered:

If I [cntl][alt][del] right after boot-up, there is only ONE thing in
the window -- explorer.

The performance symptom is that Windows 98SE frequently will freeze
for 20 seconds to a minute doing simple things like selecting an item
from the start menu. It takes that long just to change focus from one
menu item to another. These delays occur intermittently. When they
happen I can move the mouse cursor, but the focus doesn't move to the
item. The same thing happens selecting desktop icons -- sometimes it
works immediately and sometimes the long delay.

Stan Hilliard


Check the new drive (Seagate?) with Seagate's SeaTools diagnostics:
Seagate SeaTools:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/index.html

Download:
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/B7a.html
http://www.seagate.com/support/seato...toold_reg.html

Error codes:
http://www.seagate.com/support/npf/s...ror_index.html


The hard drive came with version 1.06 of SeaTools. I downloaded
version 3.0 and performed the thorough test, which took several hours.
It does not find any problems.

The problem with the Seagate DiscWizard initialize the hard drive
partitions is that it won't allow me to make two primary partitions
for dual booting. The second partition is logical and is nested in an
extended partition.

I re-built the HDD using PartitionMagic to create the two partitions
primary but this time using xcopy in a DOS window to transfer the
data.

xcopy c:\ e: /e/h/k/r/c

Now the drive tests OK with SeaTools, but when I make it the boot
drive it hangs just before starting Windows. The drive is recognized,
according to the startup screen .

As a non-boot third drive, the new drive seems to perform well.

Stan Hilliard
 




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