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  #11  
Old December 5th 08, 02:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
James Egan
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Default hope in right group.....


On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:17:06 +1030, "k-bored"
wrote:

as for the 'type' of modem, what would you like me to look for? all i know is that its screwed
to the wall,, and who his isp is.


Make and model plus details of how it connects to PC1. USB? Ethernet?

If it's a router modem combo with spare LAN ports, it may be that you
can simply plug pc2 into it the same way as pc1. It will be a better
situation if PC2's Internet doesn't depend on PC1.


Jim.

  #12  
Old December 6th 08, 04:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
teebo
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Default hope in right group.....

now it is tomorrow, hehe :-)

i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,,


oh... well forget about what I talked about earlier (using 1 cable
to connect 2 computers to a switch/router, instead of 2 cables),
Follow James Egans recommendations instead.

[my post here now is just if you need some extra explanations]

who had their two computers rigged up via one cable, one
computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to
be the host and the other just needed the win98 oneto be on the internet
in order for it too to access the net.


yeah you can easily connect two computers to each other with a
network cable between them (normally the "crossover" kind but some
can use a normal one), and the one that have internet can let
the other one reach internet through it...

they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference.


....yes, because the old dial-up modems was normally connected to
a computer with a "serial cable", but the new broadband modems
are normally connected to a computer with a network cable instead,
and most computers only have 1 network jack. But if you are using
a network cable between your two computer - then you are allready
using the computers network jack for this....
There is no jack left on the computer to put the network cable
that comes from the broadband modem!

Now (to make things a little more complicated) there are broadband
modems that is connected to the computer with an USB-cable instead,
I haven't seen any, but there are some made that way - that's why
you must go check your dads broadbandmodems brand and modelnumber.
(so we know if it is an usb-broadbandmodem or a normal one)

[If it is the normal kind, there is the possibility of you buying an
extra network card and mount it inside one of your computers to give
it a second network jack - but if you never have opened your computer
then I wouldn't recommend that solution... buy a cheap router instead
even though it will costs three times as much as a network card (like
36$ instead of 12$) with the bonus that you can connect more computers
to it later if you like, and its firewall security]

what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with
the correct plugs attached, then plug it into both computers, then
somehowconfigure them so they can both use the internet at the same time


the easy thing you must do first is to look at the back of the computer
if there is a free network jack, that isn't allready used up
by the cable that goes to the broadband modem :-)



----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the computer now (when it is connected to internet so webbrowser
works etc) have an empty network jack, and you want to use internet
sharing: then go buy the network cable (crossover type).

(I would still prefer a router.. but that's me!)

Microsoft's small guide to enable Internet Sharing for win98se is:
* Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
* On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
* Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box, then click OK
* Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to run the
Internet Connection Sharing wizard.



Now I allmost forgot: check if his broadband modem has any free
empty network jacks too.... if so it might have a router&switch
built in and you could just have a network cable from his second
computer go to that hole :-)

  #13  
Old December 6th 08, 04:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
teebo
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Default hope in right group.....

now it is tomorrow, hehe :-)

i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,,


oh... well forget about what I talked about earlier (using 1 cable
to connect 2 computers to a switch/router, instead of 2 cables),
Follow James Egans recommendations instead.

[my post here now is just if you need some extra explanations]

who had their two computers rigged up via one cable, one
computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to
be the host and the other just needed the win98 oneto be on the internet
in order for it too to access the net.


yeah you can easily connect two computers to each other with a
network cable between them (normally the "crossover" kind but some
can use a normal one), and the one that have internet can let
the other one reach internet through it...

they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference.


....yes, because the old dial-up modems was normally connected to
a computer with a "serial cable", but the new broadband modems
are normally connected to a computer with a network cable instead,
and most computers only have 1 network jack. But if you are using
a network cable between your two computer - then you are allready
using the computers network jack for this....
There is no jack left on the computer to put the network cable
that comes from the broadband modem!

Now (to make things a little more complicated) there are broadband
modems that is connected to the computer with an USB-cable instead,
I haven't seen any, but there are some made that way - that's why
you must go check your dads broadbandmodems brand and modelnumber.
(so we know if it is an usb-broadbandmodem or a normal one)

[If it is the normal kind, there is the possibility of you buying an
extra network card and mount it inside one of your computers to give
it a second network jack - but if you never have opened your computer
then I wouldn't recommend that solution... buy a cheap router instead
even though it will costs three times as much as a network card (like
36$ instead of 12$) with the bonus that you can connect more computers
to it later if you like, and its firewall security]

what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with
the correct plugs attached, then plug it into both computers, then
somehowconfigure them so they can both use the internet at the same time


the easy thing you must do first is to look at the back of the computer
if there is a free network jack, that isn't allready used up
by the cable that goes to the broadband modem :-)



----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the computer now (when it is connected to internet so webbrowser
works etc) have an empty network jack, and you want to use internet
sharing: then go buy the network cable (crossover type).

(I would still prefer a router.. but that's me!)

Microsoft's small guide to enable Internet Sharing for win98se is:
* Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel,
and then double-click Add/Remove Programs.
* On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools.
* Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box, then click OK
* Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to run the
Internet Connection Sharing wizard.



Now I allmost forgot: check if his broadband modem has any free
empty network jacks too.... if so it might have a router&switch
built in and you could just have a network cable from his second
computer go to that hole :-)

  #14  
Old December 6th 08, 12:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
k-bored
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Default to: teebo and jim

hi guys,,,

apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate
appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.

will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.

i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to
be part of the learning curve on this one.

just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a
small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said?
at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and
someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more.

thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details.


  #15  
Old December 6th 08, 12:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
k-bored
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Default to: teebo and jim

hi guys,,,

apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate
appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.

will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.

i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to
be part of the learning curve on this one.

just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a
small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said?
at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and
someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more.

thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details.


  #16  
Old December 6th 08, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
MEB[_2_]
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Default teebo and jim


"k-bored" wrote in message
...
| hi guys,,,
|
| apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed.
have now got definate
| appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.
|
| will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.
|
| i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy
to do,, and i am glad to
| be part of the learning curve on this one.
|
| just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple
as a cable and perhaps a
| small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the
cable you guys said?
| at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only
about a metre away,, and
| someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do
the job,, no more.

Not to take away from the good suggestions already received; but so you
have a better idea of WHAT is entailed, and give an idea of HOW to address
potential issues during the process of setting up your network.

Don' miss the advise that you may need 2 [two] network connections on the
master computer [which means 2 adapters if not using a router or if the
modem has only one connection] OR that the modem must have two, at least if
using a network [RJ45, looks like a telephone jack but has 8 wires and
connections used] style of connection. The modem or present connection from
the modem MAY be USB [looks like a flat connector surrounded by a housing].
BTW: if the modem IS [as you state] screwed into the wall, its a cable modem
OR potentially a SAT [satellite access terminal] modem.

IF possible, avoid ICS [Internet Connection Sharing]. It has the potential
to cause numerous *difficult to diagnose* issues should either registry
become corrupted or networking aspect change. The best is to buy a router
[they run about $14.95 US up] and another network cable [example- pre-made
50 foot $19.95 US] and if necessary another adapter [$9.95 US and up]. This
investment will pay for itself in the long run as diagnostics become easier,
the network can be changed and added to whenever necessary, and components
can be replaced individually should that be necessary.

Here's a basic setup and diagnostic page for reference during your setup
attempt:
GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING: DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Windows
Diagnostics. Questions and answers, and links. Part 3 of Layered Security.
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm

|
| thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the
details.
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
_ _
~~


  #17  
Old December 6th 08, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
MEB[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,626
Default teebo and jim


"k-bored" wrote in message
...
| hi guys,,,
|
| apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed.
have now got definate
| appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are.
|
| will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time.
|
| i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy
to do,, and i am glad to
| be part of the learning curve on this one.
|
| just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple
as a cable and perhaps a
| small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the
cable you guys said?
| at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only
about a metre away,, and
| someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do
the job,, no more.

Not to take away from the good suggestions already received; but so you
have a better idea of WHAT is entailed, and give an idea of HOW to address
potential issues during the process of setting up your network.

Don' miss the advise that you may need 2 [two] network connections on the
master computer [which means 2 adapters if not using a router or if the
modem has only one connection] OR that the modem must have two, at least if
using a network [RJ45, looks like a telephone jack but has 8 wires and
connections used] style of connection. The modem or present connection from
the modem MAY be USB [looks like a flat connector surrounded by a housing].
BTW: if the modem IS [as you state] screwed into the wall, its a cable modem
OR potentially a SAT [satellite access terminal] modem.

IF possible, avoid ICS [Internet Connection Sharing]. It has the potential
to cause numerous *difficult to diagnose* issues should either registry
become corrupted or networking aspect change. The best is to buy a router
[they run about $14.95 US up] and another network cable [example- pre-made
50 foot $19.95 US] and if necessary another adapter [$9.95 US and up]. This
investment will pay for itself in the long run as diagnostics become easier,
the network can be changed and added to whenever necessary, and components
can be replaced individually should that be necessary.

Here's a basic setup and diagnostic page for reference during your setup
attempt:
GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING: DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Windows
Diagnostics. Questions and answers, and links. Part 3 of Layered Security.
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm

|
| thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the
details.
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel

Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
_ _
~~


  #18  
Old December 7th 08, 12:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
k-bored
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Default teebo and jim

hi again.

http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx

leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc.

1)computer number 1 (which the modem is on now) shows no more holes to plug into at the back.

2)computer number 2, has what looks like a modem card installed, but we figure that is no good to us
at all right now. computer 2 also has no holes to accept any network cables. (except for
the modem card we found,, we think.)

3)no network cards are installed on both... which i guess means dad has to buy two, one so
that computer 1 has a hole to use, and computer two has a hole to recieve..... does this sound
right?

4)are network cards cheap? will it take a whole lot of configuration to make it work?
if dad buys some cards, does he have to instal drivers and such?

i will leave it here for now, and hopefully get a reply before bedtime.

tia t/b and jim.


  #19  
Old December 7th 08, 12:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
k-bored
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 12
Default teebo and jim

hi again.

http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx

leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc.

1)computer number 1 (which the modem is on now) shows no more holes to plug into at the back.

2)computer number 2, has what looks like a modem card installed, but we figure that is no good to us
at all right now. computer 2 also has no holes to accept any network cables. (except for
the modem card we found,, we think.)

3)no network cards are installed on both... which i guess means dad has to buy two, one so
that computer 1 has a hole to use, and computer two has a hole to recieve..... does this sound
right?

4)are network cards cheap? will it take a whole lot of configuration to make it work?
if dad buys some cards, does he have to instal drivers and such?

i will leave it here for now, and hopefully get a reply before bedtime.

tia t/b and jim.


  #20  
Old December 7th 08, 02:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.networking
James Egan
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Posts: 339
Default teebo and jim


On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:55:02 +1030, "k-bored"
wrote:

hi again.

http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx

leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc.


This "modem" is actually a wireless (nat) router with a single
ethernet port.

There are a number of options, but the best in my opinion is to get a
wireless USB network adaptor for pc2 to connect directly to the
"modem" wirelessly leaving the pc1 in its current configuration to use
the single ethernet port.
I got one of these a while back which I'm quite happy with
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/369188

You will then need to configure the wireless settings on the "modem"
using its web interface at http://192.168.1.1 and use those same
settings (passphrase etc) on pc2.

Of course you will have the added benefit of being able to locate pc2
away from pc1 and pc2 will not be dependent on pc1 for its Internet
connection.

A not nearly as good alternative using just wires would be to buy a
switch and a network adaptor for pc2. Then plug the switch into the
modem and the two pcs into the switch. This will allow both pc's to
connect independently of each other.

A third (the worst) alternative would be to put a network adaptor into
both pc1 and pc2, create a network bridge between the two network
adaptors on pc1 and connect the two pc's using a crossover cable as
discussed earlier.

For me it would be wireless.


Jim.



 




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