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  #11  
Old May 18th 08, 11:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Imemine
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Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/263044

Try is, first, using real numbers instead of percentages, and see what
happens.

--
Gary S. Terhune


Gary, and others, hello.

I have downloaded the fix, but would like to know why it is an .exe fix? Couldnt microsoft simply
have put a newer version of Fdisk on their site for download?
With that in mind, (and the fact that I have now had cause to do a lot of reading on the subject)
would it be simpler, easier, and quicker to just download an 'ME' boot-disk and copy 'that' version
to wherever I may want it? It was microsoft that stated that MEs' version had been fixed.

I am not in the habit of using .exe's willy-nilly on my computer, so would the above work?
better still, is there somewhere that I can just grab the Fdisk newer version from without having to
bother about downloading a whole ME boot disk...... what a silly mannerism m/s has taken to
fix this...... no-one likes to run .exe's they are not sure of.

Thank you to all,,, (even the invisible) for input.


  #12  
Old May 18th 08, 09:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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We wouldn't point you to an EXE that we're not sure of, and neither would
Microsoft. To what end? In fact, how in the heck can you do anything at all
without running EXEs you're "not sure about"? They are a major part of your
computer's functioning. Do you think there is something inherently unsafe
about EXEs? Do you think they are more safe than COM files, for instance?

Yes, you should be careful of EXE files -- and LOTS of others, including
JPEGs and others I'm sure you open all the time. You should NEVER open or do
anything more than delete a file when you don't know for sure where it came
from and trust that source. But you're running Microsoft Windows, and if you
can't trust Microsoft then you may as well toss that machine into the
dumpster.

Why is it an EXE file, like most of the patches, fixes and I don't know what
that MS provides for downloads? Well, like most of them, it is a
self-executing archive files, archived so as to be small, self-executing so
that the user doesn't have to be a programmer to do the Update. You can open
that file with WinZip and take a look inside. Maybe that will help explain
how updating FDISK on a 98 or 98SE machine is a bit more involved than you
think.

Cracks me up... You don't trust Microsoft, but you're perfectly willing to
go out there anywhere, on anybody's say so, and download an ME version of
FDISK (which also happens to be an EXE.) Do you not see the absurdity in
this train of thought?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Imemine" wrote in message
...

Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/263044

Try is, first, using real numbers instead of percentages, and see what
happens.

--
Gary S. Terhune


Gary, and others, hello.

I have downloaded the fix, but would like to know why it is an .exe fix?
Couldnt microsoft simply
have put a newer version of Fdisk on their site for download?
With that in mind, (and the fact that I have now had cause to do a lot of
reading on the subject)
would it be simpler, easier, and quicker to just download an 'ME'
boot-disk and copy 'that' version
to wherever I may want it? It was microsoft that stated that MEs'
version had been fixed.

I am not in the habit of using .exe's willy-nilly on my computer, so would
the above work?
better still, is there somewhere that I can just grab the Fdisk newer
version from without having to
bother about downloading a whole ME boot disk...... what a silly
mannerism m/s has taken to
fix this...... no-one likes to run .exe's they are not sure of.

Thank you to all,,, (even the invisible) for input.



  #13  
Old May 19th 08, 02:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
98 Guy
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Shut up and go away, Dan.


Has anyone seen Dan?

He's been gone for quite a while (I think).

And I don't think he's ever changed his handle.

I think you called this one wrong Gary.
  #14  
Old May 19th 08, 12:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Imemine
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Cracks me up... You don't trust Microsoft, but you're perfectly willing to
go out there anywhere, on anybody's say so, and download an ME version of
FDISK (which also happens to be an EXE.)


The um, er, 'anybodys say so' was 1)due to link given , and 2)the 'say-so' was from microsoft
themselves.

Do you not see the absurdity in
this train of thought?


Do you see how much simpler it would be to simply offer the updated Fdisk as simply that,,,,,,,
an updated version of Fdisk. I have hummed and harrred about the whole thing, and I still fail
to see why an .exe is needed to supply one measly file,,,, hang on sec, I'll quickly go to the
folder Fdisk is in and check its size....... Am back, it is a mere 62.9Kb,,,, surely not
something a programmer would need to write an .exe for?? or is it?
I am confused Gary,,,,, as noone would be interested in an updated Fdisk, unless, they require
to use it on a computer that has a larger than 64gig hdd,,,, so why the in gods name would they
not simply supply it as a file;; it would make life so much simpler for ppl, dont you agree?\

Perhaps I have wandered off a bit, perhaps you have too,,,,, so, with that thought in mind, could
you describe exactly what happens when the .exe is clicked on? Is it searching searching
searching...... and just what does it do to the Fdisk file after it has done its 'searching'. ?
I am picturing it simply updating the hard-drive limit and etc; or is it doing more?

Safe computing is what ms groups advocate,, safe computing and asking questions is a trait of a
good computer user.

This is now getting long winded,, but unless there is something ridiculous happening behind the
scenes to getting one simple file, then I just dont understand the logic.

Thanks for input from the beginning.......
(ps,,,,,,, I still cannot see any other poster in this thread,,, maybe ms could address that
too.)

--
Gary S. Terhune



  #15  
Old May 19th 08, 04:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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"Imemine" wrote in message
...

Cracks me up... You don't trust Microsoft, but you're perfectly willing
to
go out there anywhere, on anybody's say so, and download an ME version of
FDISK (which also happens to be an EXE.)


The um, er, 'anybodys say so' was 1)due to link given , and 2)the
'say-so' was from microsoft
themselves.


Where, in all the link, does it suggest downloading (or even obtaining in
any manner) an ME disk to copy FDISK from. In fact, where does it say to do
that at all.

Do you not see the absurdity in
this train of thought?


Do you see how much simpler it would be to simply offer the updated
Fdisk as simply that,,,,,,,
an updated version of Fdisk.


Because there's more to it than that, and if you'd bothered to do as I
suggested and looked into the contents of the update, yoyu'd know that.
FDISK gets installed as a Windows component, THEN you can copy it to a
matching floppy Startup disk. Might not make sense to you, or for your
purposes, but in the overall scheme of things, MS did what they did in order
to cover all the bases.

I have hummed and harrred about the whole thing, and I still fail
to see why an .exe is needed to supply one measly file,,,, hang on sec,
I'll quickly go to the
folder Fdisk is in and check its size....... Am back, it is a mere
62.9Kb,,,, surely not
something a programmer would need to write an .exe for?? or is it?


Answered above. But you still crack me up. Now it's just a matter of size?
Becasue in both cases you're talking about downloading an running an EXE.
Pray tell, what's the safety difference between the two?

I am confused Gary,,,,, as noone would be interested in an updated
Fdisk, unless, they require
to use it on a computer that has a larger than 64gig hdd,,,, so why
the in gods name would they
not simply supply it as a file;; it would make life so much simpler
for ppl, dont you agree?\


I've already explained that no, I do not agree. You're sticking to a silly
and self-centered idea. Sorry, but life doesn't work that way, especially
not in the computer world.

Perhaps I have wandered off a bit, perhaps you have too,,,,, so, with
that thought in mind, could
you describe exactly what happens when the .exe is clicked on? Is it
searching searching
searching...... and just what does it do to the Fdisk file after it has
done its 'searching'. ?
I am picturing it simply updating the hard-drive limit and etc; or is it
doing more?


No, I am not going to go any farther in explaining it to you. If you're so
certain about your ideas on how computers and computer manufacturers should
behave, you should be able to figure all that out on your own. I've already
given you huge nits on how that is done. In both this, but especially in
another thread in another group, you basically bash MS, and say a bunch of
other things that are like what you say he Incorrect information and/or
correct info badly understood. (This is what caused me to initially think
you might be Dan.) You'll note that in that other thread, your writings were
even called paranoid by someone else.

Safe computing is what ms groups advocate,, safe computing and asking
questions is a trait of a
good computer user.


And Safe Computing is what most of us here are interested in. Which is why
we gave you the suggestion(s) we did. But if you're going to argue like this
every time, I will ignore you. Simply put,
you need a lot of education, and I get real tired, real quick, of explaining
things more than once. In fact, you're damned lucky I answered this post at
all. When I take the time to explain to you how to look inside the file and
read the contents, so that you'll maybe understand these things a little bit
better, you apparently ignored me and simply started out on another rant.
Perhaps you can see how that would **** me off.

This is now getting long winded,, but unless there is something
ridiculous happening behind the
scenes to getting one simple file, then I just dont understand the logic.


I know, but that's not my fault. Nor is it Franc's. Nor is it Microsoft's.
The logic is there, I showed you how to find it, and that's the best we can
do.

Thanks for input from the beginning.......
(ps,,,,,,, I still cannot see any other poster in this thread,,,
maybe ms could address that
too.)


Franc's was posted on 5/19 at 8:52 pm GMT, and while the MS server has had
some problems, I don't think this is one of them. The problem is more likely
on your end, since you don't directly access Microsoft's server, but rather
a different server, perhaps your ISP's? Set up to access MS servers
directly. Click he

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ic.win98.setup

Once the group loads, use F5 to Refresh until no more posts show up. Make
sure your View settings aren't hiding any posts.

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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


  #16  
Old May 20th 08, 08:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Franc Zabkar
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:55:13 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc's was posted on 5/19 at 8:52 pm GMT, and while the MS server has had
some problems, I don't think this is one of them. The problem is more likely
on your end, since you don't directly access Microsoft's server, but rather
a different server, perhaps your ISP's? Set up to access MS servers
directly. Click he

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ic.win98.setup

Once the group loads, use F5 to Refresh until no more posts show up. Make
sure your View settings aren't hiding any posts.


My message was posted directly to the MS news server. According to the
headers, the message appears in my MS news feed as ...

Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.win98.setup:160404

AIUI, that makes it message number 160404 in the
microsoft.public.win98.setup newsgroup on the MS news server.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
  #17  
Old May 20th 08, 11:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Imemine
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Cracks me up... You don't trust Microsoft, but you're perfectly willing
to
go out there anywhere, on anybody's say so, and download an ME version of
FDISK (which also happens to be an EXE.)


The um, er, 'anybodys say so' was 1)due to link given , and 2)the
'say-so' was from microsoft
themselves.


Where, in all the link, does it suggest downloading (or even obtaining in
any manner) an ME disk to copy FDISK from. In fact, where does it say to do
that at all.


At microsofts site, where the link took me, it made it clear that the problem had been recognised by
m/s programmers, and a properly written program for Fdisk had been included in winME.... I
just thought it would be easier to Grab the ME version of Fdisk and simply shove it on my usual
floppy-boot-disk....... how you cannot see this is beyond me, but maybe thats why the
worlds in the mess its in, because ppl just cant see how much simpler things could be.........
and before you go there, no, I am not a simpleton;; you would be surprised at what I do for a
living.

While attending to this problem, and also what you said about other groups, I ventured over to a
group that had you amicably supplying information on a good Antivirus program to a chap (girl) named
Dan...... I didnt see any problems twixt the two of you,,, am I missing something?
I did see you having a conversation with someone called attilla the hun, or whatever,, whereby it
got heated,, and a couple of others too where your name was in the thick of it.; you certainly
do have certain qualities.

All said and done, I will take the file (the .exe that I downloaded from m/s,) and simply plant it
on another computer I have here that has 98 on it,, then, I guess I will simply go into command
folder and copy it to my 98 boot disk....... god, what a round-a-bout way to go about a simple
problem!!

cya


  #18  
Old May 20th 08, 12:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Imemine
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Well Gary, it has been interesting to say the least. There are a few computers in my house, and
one has 98se on it, so perhaps I will use the .exe on that one, then simply go in and copy the newly
updated Fdisk....... (I hope.)

I looked around some groups, and found you offering Dan help regarding him (or her) information on a
good AntiVirus program..... I didnt see any anger in your reply, simpy a link;; Have no idea
as to what you were talking about regarding dan.

Also, I noticed you in many bun-fights,, one in particular being a post by someone called
'attilathehun1', or similar;; you seem to get into all sorts of messes'.

Tell you what though,, when I 'exe' the Fdisk on another computer, I will post back here to let
you know the results,, even though I simply expect to copy the new file to my floppy,, just
like copying anything else.

cya


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Old May 20th 08, 05:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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"Imemine" wrote in message
...
Cracks me up... You don't trust Microsoft, but you're perfectly
willing
to
go out there anywhere, on anybody's say so, and download an ME version
of
FDISK (which also happens to be an EXE.)

The um, er, 'anybodys say so' was 1)due to link given , and 2)the
'say-so' was from microsoft
themselves.


Where, in all the link, does it suggest downloading (or even obtaining in
any manner) an ME disk to copy FDISK from. In fact, where does it say to
do
that at all.


At microsofts site, where the link took me, it made it clear that the
problem had been recognised by
m/s programmers, and a properly written program for Fdisk had been
included in winME....
just thought it would be easier to Grab the ME version of Fdisk and simply
shove it on my usual
floppy-boot-disk....... how you cannot see this is beyond me, but
maybe thats why the
worlds in the mess its in, because ppl just cant see how much simpler
things could be.........
and before you go there, no, I am not a simpleton;; you would be
surprised at what I do for a
living.


Well, I'm sorry, your messages do come across as being from a simpleton.
Earlier you whined that you didn't want to run an EXE from Microsoft. Might
not be safe, and all. But FDISK *is* an EXE. So all this about not wanting
to run an EXE is just so much B.S., right? Something you heard, but didn't
hear quite right, probably because you were too damned busy arguing with
whomever it was that told you the real story. Like you're doing now.

And neither of us even knows whether that would work -- is FDISK really a
stand-alone app, or does it require supporting functions provided by other
files? Maybe, as somewhat indicated by the package MS *does* offer, the
versions of FDISK are not interchangeable. ME version only works on an ME
startup disk, Win98SE version only works with Win98SE floppies... Or maybe
that's only when operating in Windows, and you can throw any old version of
FDISK onto the floppy and it will work. I don't know. Do you? I'd have a
hard time testing, too, because who know what kinds of problems might be
involved, and I'm not good enough or trained in analyzing HDs and partitions
to know whether there are any problems or not, problems that might not show
up until later, for instance, when it might trash your entire system, have
your partition just disappear. Are you that good?

Look, you were offered a fix, I've explained as well I can all the questions
you came up with. Personally, I wouldn't put a copy of ME's FDISK on my
Win98SE startup floppy and use it to partition a disk UNLESS Microsoft told
me to do that. And they don't. They suggest you upgrade your entire system
to accept the new FDISK version, and that procedure is different depending
one whether it's for Win98 Gold or Win98SE, and the ME file is not the same
as either of the others. I don't know any better, and neither do you, so who
are we to argue with them. I have to assume they have good reason for doing
what they did, especially since all the different versions of FDISK involved
aren't the same size and therefore aren't the same.

Don't be so coy. What DO you do for a living? Lawyer, maybe?

While attending to this problem, and also what you said about other
groups, I ventured over to a
group that had you amicably supplying information on a good Antivirus
program to a chap (girl) named
Dan...... I didnt see any problems twixt the two of you,,, am I
missing something?


Chap = girl? Not in any English I've ever heard.

That was Dan's first appearance in the group in many, many months (under his
own name, anyway.) There are any number of Dan's in the world and I even
though I was fairly certain, I wanted to make sure before calling him to the
carpet. It is also my habit to answer questions, I've answered over 20,000
different cases in my time in these 98 NGs (ten years) (well over 50,000
posts altogether.) I tend to do it by habit.

I did see you having a conversation with someone called attilla the hun,
or whatever,, whereby it
got heated,, and a couple of others too where your name was in the thick
of it.; you certainly
do have certain qualities.


That was really Dan. As for my qualities, you are not qualified to judge
them. You're a simpleton who jumps to conclusions based upon incomplete
information. For example, if you want to know the story of Dan, you'd have
to go back and read about 6 years of off-on postings, recognize his
sickness, realize how his presence in these groups isn't good for anyone.
Not for him, not for the regulars who are here to answer users' questions,
and mostly not for the people like you who come looking for answers.

All said and done, I will take the file (the .exe that I downloaded from
m/s,) and simply plant it
on another computer I have here that has 98 on it,, then, I guess I will
simply go into command
folder and copy it to my 98 boot disk....... god, what a round-a-bout
way to go about a simple
problem!!


You're a simpleton to think that it's a good idea to have a large disk that
your old FDISK can't handle, and NOT replace it in your system (the Command
folder.) You're a JERK for whining so insistingly that Microsoft do what YOU
want, the way YOU want them to, and the rest of the world that depends on
them be damned. Fact is, I think you're lucky MS still provides that patch
at all, in any form. Support for Windows 9x ended a long time ago, most of
the support articles have been pulled. most of the downloads have been
pulled.

No need to thank me.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


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Old May 20th 08, 06:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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You're stuttering. You're also a simpleton and a jerk, as noted in my
previous response. And that last sentence makes absolutely no sense.

I don't WANT to know the results. If you follow instructions, you'll get
good results and will be able to trust that the things you DON'T know about
are all properly configured, etc. But, of course, you aren't going to follow
instructions and you're going to foul it all up royally. I don't want to
hear about your incompetent failures. Besides, you aren't qualified to
report results that mean anything, as per my comments in the previous post.

OH! And let me add one last insult: You're an INGRATE to ask for advice and
then not follow up on suggestions. I'm not talking about downloading and
installing the patch, I'm talking about simply opening the file with WinZip
or similar and reading the contents. To anyone who's not a simpleton, the
files inside that EXE tell a story, one that explains a lot about why MS
distributed the patch in the manner they did. Or was that too difficult a
task for you?

Seriously, taken together with your one post in the Win98.Gen_Discussion
group, what you really are is a whiner who wants to make himself seem more
knowledgeable by slamming MS and Bill, etc. Well, combined with your obvious
lack of knowledge about computers in general, all it does is make you appear
an incompetent fool, a simpleton.

So, which is it. Are you an incompetent simpleton or just a jackass?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Imemine" wrote in message
...
Well Gary, it has been interesting to say the least. There are a few
computers in my house, and
one has 98se on it, so perhaps I will use the .exe on that one, then
simply go in and copy the newly
updated Fdisk....... (I hope.)

I looked around some groups, and found you offering Dan help regarding him
(or her) information on a
good AntiVirus program..... I didnt see any anger in your reply, simpy
a link;; Have no idea
as to what you were talking about regarding dan.

Also, I noticed you in many bun-fights,, one in particular being a post
by someone called
'attilathehun1', or similar;; you seem to get into all sorts of messes'.

Tell you what though,, when I 'exe' the Fdisk on another computer, I
will post back here to let
you know the results,, even though I simply expect to copy the new file
to my floppy,, just
like copying anything else.

cya



 




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