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  #21  
Old March 4th 06, 06:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Default Update re Sound Stutters

Stephen, two issues perhaps?

You wrote :-

On XP with nothing else installed, or running, except the Audigy the sound
problem is exactly the same. - as running it in WinMe?


Which brings me around to my previous point :-

... It's also beginning to look like your Audigy2NX USB might even be
faulty. Are you able to try it on a completely
different computer, if only for elimination purposes.


Although open minded, I'm not yet convinced it's a mobo problem.

Mart


"Stephen" wrote in message
...
Thanks
The sound has never been very good but was bearable. The problem seems to
have come to a head when I changed the sound card from SB PCI512 to a
Trust card, in an effort to improve it. The onboard sound has never been
very good and has been disabled in BIOS except for recent experimentation.
WinME is installed on a FAT32 partition of a 160GB SATA HDD.
The installation of XP was a clean install on an NTFS formatted partition
on the same drive using Acronis OS Selector to hide the ME installation
from it. This seems to have worked OK as XP cannot see the ME partition
and vice versa.
On XP with nothing else installed, or running, except the Audigy the sound
problem is exactly the same.
I am beginning to think that pushing in the old sound card and then
removing it could have flexed the Mobo somehow, possibly damaging one of
the printed circuits or something, but only the sound system seems to have
been affected.
Although its only a few years old, the Mobo (MSI 857P NEO-FIS2R, circa
2003) is probably obsolete now.

Stephen

Mart wrote:
Having also read your recent reply to Harry (elsewhere as a sub-thread in
this topic) the only other suggestion I can think of at this stage is to
try a fresh install - on a spare HDD!!! - and to try some elimination
experiments.

Do you have access to a spare (empty) HDD - a couple of Gigs or so -
which you could use?

If so pull both your C and D drives temporarily, fit the spare as the C
only and clean install WinMe (or XP if you prefer, but you are in a WinMe
news group!)

See if the problem still exists and go forward from that point. You
should only need a minimum installation (no updates etc. should be needed
for this experiment). Try the on-board sound if necessary and try to
isolate/eliminate/confirm the mobo as the cause.

I can't remember if you said earlier, whether the sound has ever worked
with this mobo even with any previous sound card that you've tried





"Stephen" wrote in message
...

I haven't been able to try Audigy on a different PC.
I have tried disabling all the fancy add-ons on this and other cards,
different combinations of volume settings on card and speakers, replace
speakers with headphones, all to no avail.
I am beginning to think there may be a dodgy joint on the bits of the
MOBO that deal solely with sound, if there are such things.
MEMTEST 86 showed no errors after 4 passes, after the PC had been running
all day.

Stephen

Mart wrote:


Stephen wrote earlier :-



... problem is exactly the same - all sounds are grossly distorted.


I've just noticed a further line in the Creative blurb under
'Introduction' :-

"Easily hook it up to the USB port of your PC or Notebook and get ready
for major sensory overload in your music, games and movies."

A *major sensory overload* ?? Perhaps the distortion is there by design
g

Seriously though, are you sure that the settings of the 'sliders' in the
various Volume Control Properties (on your System Tray) aren't set too
high? It's even beginning to look like your Audigy2NX USB sound card
might even be faulty. Are you able to try it on a completely different
computer , if only for elimination purposes. But it is still most weird
that all sound devices that you've apparently tried on your existing PC
give you the same problem.

Mart




"Stephen" wrote in message
.. .


I have USB 2 on both ME and XP.
The device is connected to the Enhanced USB controller via a USB
composite device.
The user manual does not offer any help and the Creative diagnostics
programme that came with the device shows no errors.
The Creative web site didn't offer much help either.

Stephen

Mart wrote:


Just a thought, from
http://www.creative.com/products/pro...t=910 3&nav=4

Under *Minimum* Requirements, although it states that it is WinMe
compatible, it goes on to somewhat ambiguously say :-

Available USB port (USB 2.0 port required for USB 2.0 support)

Is it 'fully' compatible with USB 1.1 ? Does the user
manual/help/support offer any further advice?

Do you have USB 2.0 on your PC ?

If not, it might be worth/necessary to fit a PCI - USB 2.0 card. Won't
do any harm anyway, especially with a couple of (much) faster USB
ports g

Just a thought g

Mart



"Stephen" wrote in message
.. .



Thank you for your reply.

Onboard sound is disabled in the Bios and no drivers have been
installed

Stephen

Heirloom wrote:



Ah..........has the 'onboard' sound been disabled?? There may be a
conflict between the onboard sound and the USB device. The
disabling of the onboard sound may be as simple as changing/adding a
strap to your MOBO or a setting in the BIOS, check with your MOBO
maker to be sure.
Heirloom, old and it's too
early


"Stephen" wrote in message
...




The sound card is a USB device, not a PCI card. I chose this option
because I couldn't get either a Trust or a Creative PCI sound card
to work, or the onboard sound.

Stephen

Noel Paton wrote:





Oh dear - this does look, in this case, as if it's a hardware
problem.

Which slot is the sound card in? - try moving it away from the AGP
slot, as these are sometimes locked together.





  #22  
Old March 4th 06, 07:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Default Update re Sound Stutters

The only thing left, that I can think of, would be to try the USB sound
device in someone else's computer. This will eliminate or prove to, this
device. Not being familiar with this USB device, is the output amplified?
Also, is the speaker system you are using amplified? The reason I ask, if
you are putting an amplified signal into a speaker system designed to do
its' own amplification, it may be 'clipping' the signal. Once
again.........'straws.'
Heirloom, old and you could always
purchase/build a new system :-)

"Stephen" wrote in message
...
All contributions, straws or otherwise, gratefully received...

DirectX version 9.0c
DXDiag reports no problems, all tests passed (even though the test sounds
were choppy)
Changing audio acceleration and sample rate conversions make no
difference, original settings were "full" and "best"
All drivers are latest from Creative and WHQL signed.

Stephen


Heirloom wrote:
Ok, here's something that has not been mentioned......worth a try, since
we're grabbing for straws.
What ver of DirectX are you running? Is it up-to-date and have the
latest codecs?
Now, just for grins, try adjusting the audio acceleration settings.
1. Open Control Panel, double click the Sounds and Multimedia icon and
select the Audio tab.
2. Click the Advanced button in the Speakers section or Sound Playback
section (whichever you have, I'm not running Me). You need to get to the
Advanced Audio Properties window.
3. Click the Performance tab and adjust the Harware acceleration slider
to one notch above "None." Reboot.
4. Try your sound again, is there an improvement? If so, consider
different drivers....preferably from the sound device's maker.
Second option:
Also on the Performance tab, try adjusting the 'sample rate'
conversion quality (this adjusts how well and quickly the digital samples
are converted to audio). Depending on the speed of your sound card and
the system, your default setting may be set to 'Good'. If it is, slide
the control one Notch towards the middle, this will improve audio
conversion quality, but, it will tend to tax your cpu.
Let us know if any of this helps.
Heirloom, old and whatever works


"Stephen" wrote in message
...

Thanks.
I believe my system exceeds the specs for all the sound cards I have
tried.

CPU Pentium 4 2.8ghz
RAM 512MB PC3200 Dram dual channel
Windows ME (and Windows XP Home installed with third party bootloader to
eliminate possibility of messed up ME registry/File system).
USB 1 and USB 2 installed and working
PSU Enermax 460 Watt max 33 amp on +12v, 35 amp on +5v and +3.3v
6GB HDD FAT 32 data, 4GB free
40 GB partition FAT32 on SATA HDD for WinME 20GB free
40 GB partition NTFS on SATA HDD for Win XP 30GB free
No system conflicts or problems showing in Device Manager.
Installed devices internal CD rewriter, DVD rewriter, USB printer and
scanner.
No viruses or ad/spyware.
All disks scanned and defragged regularly.

Stephen

webster72n wrote:


Stephen:

Based upon some experiences of my own with stuttering sound, I would
like to
mention the requirements for your sound card, in particular the cpu
size, if
applicable. Does your pc fulfil those?

Harry.


"Stephen" wrote in message
. ..


Following on from the earlier thread about my sound problem, I have
completed a clean install of WinXP Home as a dual boot using Acronis
boot manager.
With only WinXP and the newly installed Audigy2NX USB sound card
running
(on board sound disabled in Bios and no drivers for it installed) the
problem is exactly the same - all sounds are grossly distorted.
No problems in XP device manager, all drivers WINXP certified.
Could there be a component on the motherboard MSI 875PNeo that could be
causing this?
As far as I can tell everything else on the PC works perfectly in
WinME.
I haven't installed anything else on XP yet.

Any further help gratefully received.

Stephen





  #23  
Old March 4th 06, 07:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Default Update re Sound Stutters

In the short term I can't try my card with a different PC
The stuttering is present through powered speakers and through
headphones plugged into the card's headphone jack (which mutes the
speakers automatically), so I don't think it's a speaker problem.
I've posted a question in the Motherboard Forum in case it's a Mobo issue.

Stephen

Heirloom wrote:

The only thing left, that I can think of, would be to try the USB sound
device in someone else's computer. This will eliminate or prove to, this
device. Not being familiar with this USB device, is the output amplified?
Also, is the speaker system you are using amplified? The reason I ask, if
you are putting an amplified signal into a speaker system designed to do
its' own amplification, it may be 'clipping' the signal. Once
again.........'straws.'
Heirloom, old and you could always
purchase/build a new system :-)

"Stephen" wrote in message
...

All contributions, straws or otherwise, gratefully received...

DirectX version 9.0c
DXDiag reports no problems, all tests passed (even though the test sounds
were choppy)
Changing audio acceleration and sample rate conversions make no
difference, original settings were "full" and "best"
All drivers are latest from Creative and WHQL signed.

Stephen


Heirloom wrote:

Ok, here's something that has not been mentioned......worth a try, since
we're grabbing for straws.
What ver of DirectX are you running? Is it up-to-date and have the
latest codecs?
Now, just for grins, try adjusting the audio acceleration settings.
1. Open Control Panel, double click the Sounds and Multimedia icon and
select the Audio tab.
2. Click the Advanced button in the Speakers section or Sound Playback
section (whichever you have, I'm not running Me). You need to get to the
Advanced Audio Properties window.
3. Click the Performance tab and adjust the Harware acceleration slider
to one notch above "None." Reboot.
4. Try your sound again, is there an improvement? If so, consider
different drivers....preferably from the sound device's maker.
Second option:
Also on the Performance tab, try adjusting the 'sample rate'
conversion quality (this adjusts how well and quickly the digital samples
are converted to audio). Depending on the speed of your sound card and
the system, your default setting may be set to 'Good'. If it is, slide
the control one Notch towards the middle, this will improve audio
conversion quality, but, it will tend to tax your cpu.
Let us know if any of this helps.
Heirloom, old and whatever works


"Stephen" wrote in message
...


Thanks.
I believe my system exceeds the specs for all the sound cards I have
tried.

CPU Pentium 4 2.8ghz
RAM 512MB PC3200 Dram dual channel
Windows ME (and Windows XP Home installed with third party bootloader to
eliminate possibility of messed up ME registry/File system).
USB 1 and USB 2 installed and working
PSU Enermax 460 Watt max 33 amp on +12v, 35 amp on +5v and +3.3v
6GB HDD FAT 32 data, 4GB free
40 GB partition FAT32 on SATA HDD for WinME 20GB free
40 GB partition NTFS on SATA HDD for Win XP 30GB free
No system conflicts or problems showing in Device Manager.
Installed devices internal CD rewriter, DVD rewriter, USB printer and
scanner.
No viruses or ad/spyware.
All disks scanned and defragged regularly.

Stephen

webster72n wrote:



Stephen:

Based upon some experiences of my own with stuttering sound, I would
like to
mention the requirements for your sound card, in particular the cpu
size, if
applicable. Does your pc fulfil those?

Harry.


"Stephen" wrote in message
.. .



Following on from the earlier thread about my sound problem, I have
completed a clean install of WinXP Home as a dual boot using Acronis
boot manager.
With only WinXP and the newly installed Audigy2NX USB sound card
running
(on board sound disabled in Bios and no drivers for it installed) the
problem is exactly the same - all sounds are grossly distorted.
No problems in XP device manager, all drivers WINXP certified.
Could there be a component on the motherboard MSI 875PNeo that could be
causing this?
As far as I can tell everything else on the PC works perfectly in
WinME.
I haven't installed anything else on XP yet.

Any further help gratefully received.

Stephen




  #24  
Old March 4th 06, 07:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Posts: n/a
Default Update re Sound Stutters

I understand what you are saying but the same symptoms are present with
all the sound cards I've tried and on both operating systems.
Unfortunately I'm not able to try the Audigy on a different system in
the short term, although as you say, that would confirm it is not the
cause of the problem.

Stephen

Mart wrote:

Stephen, two issues perhaps?

You wrote :-


On XP with nothing else installed, or running, except the Audigy the sound
problem is exactly the same. - as running it in WinMe?



Which brings me around to my previous point :-


... It's also beginning to look like your Audigy2NX USB might even be
faulty. Are you able to try it on a completely
different computer, if only for elimination purposes.



Although open minded, I'm not yet convinced it's a mobo problem.

Mart


"Stephen" wrote in message
...

Thanks
The sound has never been very good but was bearable. The problem seems to
have come to a head when I changed the sound card from SB PCI512 to a
Trust card, in an effort to improve it. The onboard sound has never been
very good and has been disabled in BIOS except for recent experimentation.
WinME is installed on a FAT32 partition of a 160GB SATA HDD.
The installation of XP was a clean install on an NTFS formatted partition
on the same drive using Acronis OS Selector to hide the ME installation
from it. This seems to have worked OK as XP cannot see the ME partition
and vice versa.
On XP with nothing else installed, or running, except the Audigy the sound
problem is exactly the same.
I am beginning to think that pushing in the old sound card and then
removing it could have flexed the Mobo somehow, possibly damaging one of
the printed circuits or something, but only the sound system seems to have
been affected.
Although its only a few years old, the Mobo (MSI 857P NEO-FIS2R, circa
2003) is probably obsolete now.

Stephen

Mart wrote:

Having also read your recent reply to Harry (elsewhere as a sub-thread in
this topic) the only other suggestion I can think of at this stage is to
try a fresh install - on a spare HDD!!! - and to try some elimination
experiments.

Do you have access to a spare (empty) HDD - a couple of Gigs or so -
which you could use?

If so pull both your C and D drives temporarily, fit the spare as the C
only and clean install WinMe (or XP if you prefer, but you are in a WinMe
news group!)

See if the problem still exists and go forward from that point. You
should only need a minimum installation (no updates etc. should be needed
for this experiment). Try the on-board sound if necessary and try to
isolate/eliminate/confirm the mobo as the cause.

I can't remember if you said earlier, whether the sound has ever worked
with this mobo even with any previous sound card that you've tried





"Stephen" wrote in message
...


I haven't been able to try Audigy on a different PC.
I have tried disabling all the fancy add-ons on this and other cards,
different combinations of volume settings on card and speakers, replace
speakers with headphones, all to no avail.
I am beginning to think there may be a dodgy joint on the bits of the
MOBO that deal solely with sound, if there are such things.
MEMTEST 86 showed no errors after 4 passes, after the PC had been running
all day.

Stephen

Mart wrote:



Stephen wrote earlier :-




... problem is exactly the same - all sounds are grossly distorted.


I've just noticed a further line in the Creative blurb under
'Introduction' :-

"Easily hook it up to the USB port of your PC or Notebook and get ready
for major sensory overload in your music, games and movies."

A *major sensory overload* ?? Perhaps the distortion is there by design
g

Seriously though, are you sure that the settings of the 'sliders' in the
various Volume Control Properties (on your System Tray) aren't set too
high? It's even beginning to look like your Audigy2NX USB sound card
might even be faulty. Are you able to try it on a completely different
computer , if only for elimination purposes. But it is still most weird
that all sound devices that you've apparently tried on your existing PC
give you the same problem.

Mart




"Stephen" wrote in message
. ..



I have USB 2 on both ME and XP.
The device is connected to the Enhanced USB controller via a USB
composite device.
The user manual does not offer any help and the Creative diagnostics
programme that came with the device shows no errors.
The Creative web site didn't offer much help either.

Stephen

Mart wrote:



Just a thought, from
http://www.creative.com/products/pro...t=910 3&nav=4

Under *Minimum* Requirements, although it states that it is WinMe
compatible, it goes on to somewhat ambiguously say :-

Available USB port (USB 2.0 port required for USB 2.0 support)

Is it 'fully' compatible with USB 1.1 ? Does the user
manual/help/support offer any further advice?

Do you have USB 2.0 on your PC ?

If not, it might be worth/necessary to fit a PCI - USB 2.0 card. Won't
do any harm anyway, especially with a couple of (much) faster USB
ports g

Just a thought g

Mart



"Stephen" wrote in message
. ..




Thank you for your reply.

Onboard sound is disabled in the Bios and no drivers have been
installed

Stephen

Heirloom wrote:




Ah..........has the 'onboard' sound been disabled?? There may be a
conflict between the onboard sound and the USB device. The
disabling of the onboard sound may be as simple as changing/adding a
strap to your MOBO or a setting in the BIOS, check with your MOBO
maker to be sure.
Heirloom, old and it's too
early


"Stephen" wrote in message
l...





The sound card is a USB device, not a PCI card. I chose this option
because I couldn't get either a Trust or a Creative PCI sound card
to work, or the onboard sound.

Stephen

Noel Paton wrote:






Oh dear - this does look, in this case, as if it's a hardware
problem.

Which slot is the sound card in? - try moving it away from the AGP
slot, as these are sometimes locked together.




  #25  
Old March 5th 06, 02:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Default Update re Sound Stutters

"Joan Archer" wrote in
:

lol What's up, fell out of bed g
Joan


Heirloom wrote:
Heirloom, old and
it's too early





Must have been the chile


--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike
 




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