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  #21  
Old September 13th 09, 04:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Franc Zabkar
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Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
  #22  
Old September 14th 09, 03:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."


Thanks for all of this, Zabkar. I've got to spend time elsewhere for a
while & hope to click some of this soon. I apologize for often spelling
you with a "c". Each time I go to verify whether it's a "c" or a "k"-- I
come up with a different result! I see today "k" seems right. Lucky I
don't use first names! Only Henri Leboeuf was worse than you! :-).

- Franc Zabkar


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #23  
Old September 14th 09, 03:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."


Thanks for all of this, Zabkar. I've got to spend time elsewhere for a
while & hope to click some of this soon. I apologize for often spelling
you with a "c". Each time I go to verify whether it's a "c" or a "k"-- I
come up with a different result! I see today "k" seems right. Lucky I
don't use first names! Only Henri Leboeuf was worse than you! :-).

- Franc Zabkar


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #24  
Old September 14th 09, 09:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
thanatoid
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Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote in
news
SNIP

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the
BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are
supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own
logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a
Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it
is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4;
System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my
BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT


SNIP

I believe these and your other links relate to the image which
appears on the screen after you /power up/, not when Windows is
starting. For instance, I happen to also have a Compaq (sigh)
and there is a Compaq utility to change the built-in red Compaq
logo with "your company logo" or whatever, but it just has not
been worth the bother.

Without going back and reading the whole thread, I believe PCR
wants the /Windows/ start up logo changed, and I have NO idea
where he can find the one with Dell and MS logos in it (let
alone WHY HE WOULD WANT IT ;-) but there are several programs
which let you play around with those Windows logos (there are
actually a total of 3 in all as we all know) and change them
from time to time or per schedule etc., but since processors
have gotten very fast, no one seems to care much anymore. I /DO/
have my own startup logo but I do not even recall seeing the
Wait and Shut Down logos in a LONG time, and I only have a 2GHz
processor!


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?
  #25  
Old September 14th 09, 09:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
thanatoid
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Posts: 2,299
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote in
news
SNIP

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the
BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are
supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own
logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a
Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it
is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4;
System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my
BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT


SNIP

I believe these and your other links relate to the image which
appears on the screen after you /power up/, not when Windows is
starting. For instance, I happen to also have a Compaq (sigh)
and there is a Compaq utility to change the built-in red Compaq
logo with "your company logo" or whatever, but it just has not
been worth the bother.

Without going back and reading the whole thread, I believe PCR
wants the /Windows/ start up logo changed, and I have NO idea
where he can find the one with Dell and MS logos in it (let
alone WHY HE WOULD WANT IT ;-) but there are several programs
which let you play around with those Windows logos (there are
actually a total of 3 in all as we all know) and change them
from time to time or per schedule etc., but since processors
have gotten very fast, no one seems to care much anymore. I /DO/
have my own startup logo but I do not even recall seeing the
Wait and Shut Down logos in a LONG time, and I only have a 2GHz
processor!


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?
  #26  
Old September 15th 09, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.


That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup screen? I have
no way to look into my own BIOS.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."


That sounds scary to me. I wouldn't want to make it impossible to boot.
Of course, I do have my BIOS on a floppy ready to flash again if
necessary. But really -- if anything -- I'd just want that COMPAQ screen
to disappear, not to replace it. I'd want to see whether anything shows
up under it. Putting Logo=0 into MSDOS.sys had no effect. There never
was an MS bootup screen that I can recall-- & it doesn't prevent the
big, red COMPAQ!

I should put a Logo.sys into C:/ (I have one elsewhere) & set Logo=1 to
see what happens. But I can swear the one in IO.sys never showed back
when I had no Logo=0.

Well, looking inside IO.sys, I do see...
0003 5F20 00 00 43 4F 4D 50 41 51 00 00 54 4F 53 48 49 42
...COMPAQ..TOSHIB

....So, it's possible that was altered. OK, I've set it to show Logo.sys
& will report back next boot.

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."


That actually looks nice, but I'd fear it weren't compatible with this
Compaq.

- Franc Zabkar


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #27  
Old September 15th 09, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.


Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.


That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup screen? I have
no way to look into my own BIOS.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."


That sounds scary to me. I wouldn't want to make it impossible to boot.
Of course, I do have my BIOS on a floppy ready to flash again if
necessary. But really -- if anything -- I'd just want that COMPAQ screen
to disappear, not to replace it. I'd want to see whether anything shows
up under it. Putting Logo=0 into MSDOS.sys had no effect. There never
was an MS bootup screen that I can recall-- & it doesn't prevent the
big, red COMPAQ!

I should put a Logo.sys into C:/ (I have one elsewhere) & set Logo=1 to
see what happens. But I can swear the one in IO.sys never showed back
when I had no Logo=0.

Well, looking inside IO.sys, I do see...
0003 5F20 00 00 43 4F 4D 50 41 51 00 00 54 4F 53 48 49 42
...COMPAQ..TOSHIB

....So, it's possible that was altered. OK, I've set it to show Logo.sys
& will report back next boot.

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."


That actually looks nice, but I'd fear it weren't compatible with this
Compaq.

- Franc Zabkar


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #28  
Old September 15th 09, 01:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

thanatoid wrote:
Franc Zabkar wrote in
news
SNIP

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the
BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are
supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own
logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a
Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it
is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4;
System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my
BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT


SNIP

I believe these and your other links relate to the image which
appears on the screen after you /power up/, not when Windows is
starting. For instance, I happen to also have a Compaq (sigh)
and there is a Compaq utility to change the built-in red Compaq
logo with "your company logo" or whatever, but it just has not
been worth the bother.


Do you have a Log.sys in C:\? Have you ever seen an MS logo screen at
boot on that Compaq? (I can't recall I ever have. I did put Logo=0 into
MSDOS.sys-- but that was a vain attempt to stop that big, red COMPAQ.)
The only Logo.sys I've got is in the Options\Cabs folder. (And I don't
recall deleting one!) It's a flying Windows logo that says Microsoft
Windows 98. But on the bottom it says: "Getting ready to run Windows for
the first time". That can't be normal. I wonder why I didn't get a
utility like yours for my Compaq 7470. What is it called? But I'd be
loath to download one, if it isn't on here already somewhere.

Without going back and reading the whole thread, I believe PCR
wants the /Windows/ start up logo changed, and I have NO idea
where he can find the one with Dell and MS logos in it (let
alone WHY HE WOULD WANT IT ;-) but there are several programs
which let you play around with those Windows logos (there are
actually a total of 3 in all as we all know) and change them
from time to time or per schedule etc., but since processors
have gotten very fast, no one seems to care much anymore. I /DO/
have my own startup logo but I do not even recall seeing the
Wait and Shut Down logos in a LONG time, and I only have a 2GHz
processor!


I'm not the first one in this thread who wanted to change it. I started
out just wanting it to go away. But maybe I'll change it. But I don't
have a Dell.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #29  
Old September 15th 09, 01:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
PCR
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Posts: 4,396
Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

thanatoid wrote:
Franc Zabkar wrote in
news
SNIP

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the
BIOS? Modern motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are
supplied with utilities that allow users to add their own
logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a
Compaq download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it
is possible. The flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4;
System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have no such utility for my
BIOS.


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT


SNIP

I believe these and your other links relate to the image which
appears on the screen after you /power up/, not when Windows is
starting. For instance, I happen to also have a Compaq (sigh)
and there is a Compaq utility to change the built-in red Compaq
logo with "your company logo" or whatever, but it just has not
been worth the bother.


Do you have a Log.sys in C:\? Have you ever seen an MS logo screen at
boot on that Compaq? (I can't recall I ever have. I did put Logo=0 into
MSDOS.sys-- but that was a vain attempt to stop that big, red COMPAQ.)
The only Logo.sys I've got is in the Options\Cabs folder. (And I don't
recall deleting one!) It's a flying Windows logo that says Microsoft
Windows 98. But on the bottom it says: "Getting ready to run Windows for
the first time". That can't be normal. I wonder why I didn't get a
utility like yours for my Compaq 7470. What is it called? But I'd be
loath to download one, if it isn't on here already somewhere.

Without going back and reading the whole thread, I believe PCR
wants the /Windows/ start up logo changed, and I have NO idea
where he can find the one with Dell and MS logos in it (let
alone WHY HE WOULD WANT IT ;-) but there are several programs
which let you play around with those Windows logos (there are
actually a total of 3 in all as we all know) and change them
from time to time or per schedule etc., but since processors
have gotten very fast, no one seems to care much anymore. I /DO/
have my own startup logo but I do not even recall seeing the
Wait and Shut Down logos in a LONG time, and I only have a 2GHz
processor!


I'm not the first one in this thread who wanted to change it. I started
out just wanting it to go away. But maybe I'll change it. But I don't
have a Dell.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #30  
Old September 15th 09, 07:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Franc Zabkar
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Default How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:38:45 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:


These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.


That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup screen? I have
no way to look into my own BIOS.


Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe utility.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."


That sounds scary to me. I wouldn't want to make it impossible to boot.
Of course, I do have my BIOS on a floppy ready to flash again if
necessary. But really -- if anything -- I'd just want that COMPAQ screen
to disappear, not to replace it. I'd want to see whether anything shows
up under it. Putting Logo=0 into MSDOS.sys had no effect. There never
was an MS bootup screen that I can recall-- & it doesn't prevent the
big, red COMPAQ!


Disconnect your hard drive. If the logo still comes up, then it's
embedded in your BIOS code.

I should put a Logo.sys into C:/ (I have one elsewhere) & set Logo=1 to
see what happens. But I can swear the one in IO.sys never showed back
when I had no Logo=0.

Well, looking inside IO.sys, I do see...
0003 5F20 00 00 43 4F 4D 50 41 51 00 00 54 4F 53 48 49 42
..COMPAQ..TOSHIB


Mine has the same.

...So, it's possible that was altered. OK, I've set it to show Logo.sys
& will report back next boot.

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."


That actually looks nice, but I'd fear it weren't compatible with this
Compaq.


No, it won't be. I just included it to show you that adding customised
logos to your BIOS was possible.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 




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