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Reinstalling Win 98
"grafxfriday" wrote in message ...
I have done this before without a hitch. This time I made the mistake of uninstalling software that came with Windows, Star Office 5.0. When I insert the eMachine cd then do 1. Restore format HDD it seems to work then a very brief error message "can't crate extraction dir", then continual error message, "can't create C:/OFFICE51" and "unable to process". Then the screen says image restores then reboots and asks for Restore setup. I have 5 books from the library but they seem to be for WIN 95. I can view BIOS, but dos won't go to C from A. Thanks in advance for your brillancy! Unplug the computer, open the case and remove and reseat the cables that connect the hard drive to the motherboard or controller card. Then go into the BIOS setup and make sure the hard is properly configured. Use autodetect if available and be sure to save the settings when exiting. Then try the restore CD. Ben |
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... Thanks Rebel and Gary. I appreciate your help. First Info then a couple questions.. Info Part I History I have a single CD that says RESTORE CD(BOOTABLE CD)eMACHINES eTOWER433i 1998-99 Does it have a manual on it? Error Messages: 200:BOOT FAILURE 204:REBOOT AND SELECT PROPER BOOT DEVICE OR INSERT BOOT MEDIA IN SELECTED BOOT DEVICE. Typical error. Means that no bootable device can be found, which makes sense because your hard drives aren't being detected by BIOS. It's very simple, really. Initially the first few times I chose "1. Restore WIN 98 will format HDD" without step by step confirmation (this last time around I could see the errors). I hope restarting several times then turning the computer off hasn't caused more damage. Info Part II New Additionally, as I restarted the computer, the screen with basic info came up. I noticed 2 things; 1. Secondary Master ATAPI CDROM. Perhaps this is the reason the hard drive is not "C". I am tempted to change the BIOS settings to fix my drive error(it seems obvious, primary=c) but I am not positive of the settings. It makes all the sense in the world that the Secondary Master is your CD-ROM. What doesn't make sense is that your Primary Master is a CD-ROM or other ATAPI device, instead of a hard drive. 2. PCI Onboard USB Controller, IRQ10 PCI Onboard Multimedia Device IRQ10. (Some of the PCI Devices have no IRQ) Perhaps these two devices shouldn't use the same IRQ number. No big deal. There's this thing called IRQ Sharing. Windows uses it a lot with PCI devices. And, as noted, it's definitely not the problem. Questions /Summary 1. Auto-detection routine? How can I tell if my old computer has this? If there is one, it will either have some way to initiate it in BIOS, or resetting CMOS may be the way. Or you may have to look up the numbers for the drive and input them manually. Gotta know the exact make/model/version/whatever of the HD. 2. I will read up on how to find and configure CMOS. I do have dos commands and 5 books from the library(mostly for WIN 95) but actual configurations are hard to come by. DOS won't help you, though Franc Zabkar may be able to. He's a wizard at finding BIOS files and ripping into them, often finding hidden functions. But you mostly gotta figure on what I described, above. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com |
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"grafxfriday" wrote in message
... Thanks Rebel and Gary. I appreciate your help. First Info then a couple questions.. Info Part I History I have a single CD that says RESTORE CD(BOOTABLE CD)eMACHINES eTOWER433i 1998-99 Does it have a manual on it? Error Messages: 200:BOOT FAILURE 204:REBOOT AND SELECT PROPER BOOT DEVICE OR INSERT BOOT MEDIA IN SELECTED BOOT DEVICE. Typical error. Means that no bootable device can be found, which makes sense because your hard drives aren't being detected by BIOS. It's very simple, really. Initially the first few times I chose "1. Restore WIN 98 will format HDD" without step by step confirmation (this last time around I could see the errors). I hope restarting several times then turning the computer off hasn't caused more damage. Info Part II New Additionally, as I restarted the computer, the screen with basic info came up. I noticed 2 things; 1. Secondary Master ATAPI CDROM. Perhaps this is the reason the hard drive is not "C". I am tempted to change the BIOS settings to fix my drive error(it seems obvious, primary=c) but I am not positive of the settings. It makes all the sense in the world that the Secondary Master is your CD-ROM. What doesn't make sense is that your Primary Master is a CD-ROM or other ATAPI device, instead of a hard drive. 2. PCI Onboard USB Controller, IRQ10 PCI Onboard Multimedia Device IRQ10. (Some of the PCI Devices have no IRQ) Perhaps these two devices shouldn't use the same IRQ number. No big deal. There's this thing called IRQ Sharing. Windows uses it a lot with PCI devices. And, as noted, it's definitely not the problem. Questions /Summary 1. Auto-detection routine? How can I tell if my old computer has this? If there is one, it will either have some way to initiate it in BIOS, or resetting CMOS may be the way. Or you may have to look up the numbers for the drive and input them manually. Gotta know the exact make/model/version/whatever of the HD. 2. I will read up on how to find and configure CMOS. I do have dos commands and 5 books from the library(mostly for WIN 95) but actual configurations are hard to come by. DOS won't help you, though Franc Zabkar may be able to. He's a wizard at finding BIOS files and ripping into them, often finding hidden functions. But you mostly gotta figure on what I described, above. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:54:00 -0700, grafxfriday
wrote: Thanks Rebel and Gary. I appreciate your help. First Info then a couple questions.. Info Part I History I have a single CD that says RESTORE CD(BOOTABLE CD)eMACHINES eTOWER433i 1998-99 Error Messages: 200:BOOT FAILURE 204:REBOOT AND SELECT PROPER BOOT DEVICE OR INSERT BOOT MEDIA IN SELECTED BOOT DEVICE. Initially the first few times I chose "1. Restore WIN 98 will format HDD" without step by step confirmation (this last time around I could see the errors). I hope restarting several times then turning the computer off hasn't caused more damage. Info Part II New Additionally, as I restarted the computer, the screen with basic info came up. I noticed 2 things; 1. Secondary Master ATAPI CDROM. Perhaps this is the reason the hard drive is not "C". I am tempted to change the BIOS settings to fix my drive error(it seems obvious, primary=c) but I am not positive of the settings. 2. PCI Onboard USB Controller, IRQ10 PCI Onboard Multimedia Device IRQ10. (Some of the PCI Devices have no IRQ) Perhaps these two devices shouldn't use the same IRQ number. I don't believe anything above adds much to what (little) we already know. Questions /Summary 1. Auto-detection routine? How can I tell if my old computer has this? In the BIOS, on the page where the drives are listed, there will be a field with selections which will include "AUTO" for type/size/? unless it doesn't have it. But from the above I am presuming a 433 MHz machine, which is waaay after autodetect became the standard. 2. I will read up on how to find and configure CMOS. I do have dos commands and 5 books from the library(mostly for WIN 95) but actual configurations are hard to come by. Enter the BIOS and step through the settable fields. Basic enough - you can always back out without saving any changes, so go and explore. But there IS a reason why your system isn't showing your HDD(s) - we need to find it. It may be as Ben suggested - physical - or it may be somewhere in the BIOS settings. |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:54:00 -0700, grafxfriday
wrote: Thanks Rebel and Gary. I appreciate your help. First Info then a couple questions.. Info Part I History I have a single CD that says RESTORE CD(BOOTABLE CD)eMACHINES eTOWER433i 1998-99 Error Messages: 200:BOOT FAILURE 204:REBOOT AND SELECT PROPER BOOT DEVICE OR INSERT BOOT MEDIA IN SELECTED BOOT DEVICE. Initially the first few times I chose "1. Restore WIN 98 will format HDD" without step by step confirmation (this last time around I could see the errors). I hope restarting several times then turning the computer off hasn't caused more damage. Info Part II New Additionally, as I restarted the computer, the screen with basic info came up. I noticed 2 things; 1. Secondary Master ATAPI CDROM. Perhaps this is the reason the hard drive is not "C". I am tempted to change the BIOS settings to fix my drive error(it seems obvious, primary=c) but I am not positive of the settings. 2. PCI Onboard USB Controller, IRQ10 PCI Onboard Multimedia Device IRQ10. (Some of the PCI Devices have no IRQ) Perhaps these two devices shouldn't use the same IRQ number. I don't believe anything above adds much to what (little) we already know. Questions /Summary 1. Auto-detection routine? How can I tell if my old computer has this? In the BIOS, on the page where the drives are listed, there will be a field with selections which will include "AUTO" for type/size/? unless it doesn't have it. But from the above I am presuming a 433 MHz machine, which is waaay after autodetect became the standard. 2. I will read up on how to find and configure CMOS. I do have dos commands and 5 books from the library(mostly for WIN 95) but actual configurations are hard to come by. Enter the BIOS and step through the settable fields. Basic enough - you can always back out without saving any changes, so go and explore. But there IS a reason why your system isn't showing your HDD(s) - we need to find it. It may be as Ben suggested - physical - or it may be somewhere in the BIOS settings. |
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Hi Ben, Gary and Rebel,
OK first new info then what I did(operations) then Questions. New Info I do have the Windows 98 book with the cd key but no book for the eMachine itself. AMIBIOS version 1.20, base memory 641kb, Ext. Memory 262144. Hard Drive is Seagate U4 Model ST34311A, 4.3Gbytes, Firmware 6.01, 8944 CYL, 15HDE and 63 SECT. Motherboard is Intel AGPse FW8243LZ. I also found jumper settings. Operations Hardware I opened the computer and reseated the cable ribbons to and from the motherboard (3) and the CDROM ribbon also. Reseated the 2 Dimms cards and all connections on Motherboard and CDROM. BIOS SETUP - I reset BIOS to auto. The only thing it detected was CDROM in Secondary Master. (the Primary Slave was 26). UTILITY - clicked detect IDE, went to autodetect. again the only thing that was detected was SM CDROM. DEFAULT - Clicked load optimal. Then proceeded to startup error 202:boot failure and 203:insert boot diskette in A. I inserted cd then pressed format HDD with step by step. path=a:\ N. a:\format c: invalid drive specification. Restore HDD from CDROM. Restore is now in progress. C: Y. Invalid drive specification. cd\ Y md c:\windows Y IDS (then 2 more commands windows\system, windows\options. Same error Invalid Drive Specification.) a:\unzip - od c:\windows\options\R:\cabs.img (went from small r to capital R) checkdir: can't create extraction directory Back to BIOS - I uninstalled A. The computer beeps only once now. Error 200 and 203, insert cd, Boot to DOS prompt from cdrom. A:\dir (all the files seem to be here) Questions Hardware I remember there was a high pitched noise coming from the top of the computer when it crashed. I am sure the exterior fan is working. How do I check the other internal fan? Could I unplug the A drive cable or could it be connected to the CDROM? Operations How can I reformat the drives? Thank you all for your help. grafxfriday |
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Hi Ben, Gary and Rebel,
OK first new info then what I did(operations) then Questions. New Info I do have the Windows 98 book with the cd key but no book for the eMachine itself. AMIBIOS version 1.20, base memory 641kb, Ext. Memory 262144. Hard Drive is Seagate U4 Model ST34311A, 4.3Gbytes, Firmware 6.01, 8944 CYL, 15HDE and 63 SECT. Motherboard is Intel AGPse FW8243LZ. I also found jumper settings. Operations Hardware I opened the computer and reseated the cable ribbons to and from the motherboard (3) and the CDROM ribbon also. Reseated the 2 Dimms cards and all connections on Motherboard and CDROM. BIOS SETUP - I reset BIOS to auto. The only thing it detected was CDROM in Secondary Master. (the Primary Slave was 26). UTILITY - clicked detect IDE, went to autodetect. again the only thing that was detected was SM CDROM. DEFAULT - Clicked load optimal. Then proceeded to startup error 202:boot failure and 203:insert boot diskette in A. I inserted cd then pressed format HDD with step by step. path=a:\ N. a:\format c: invalid drive specification. Restore HDD from CDROM. Restore is now in progress. C: Y. Invalid drive specification. cd\ Y md c:\windows Y IDS (then 2 more commands windows\system, windows\options. Same error Invalid Drive Specification.) a:\unzip - od c:\windows\options\R:\cabs.img (went from small r to capital R) checkdir: can't create extraction directory Back to BIOS - I uninstalled A. The computer beeps only once now. Error 200 and 203, insert cd, Boot to DOS prompt from cdrom. A:\dir (all the files seem to be here) Questions Hardware I remember there was a high pitched noise coming from the top of the computer when it crashed. I am sure the exterior fan is working. How do I check the other internal fan? Could I unplug the A drive cable or could it be connected to the CDROM? Operations How can I reformat the drives? Thank you all for your help. grafxfriday |
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It's late, and I'll maybe think of something tomorrow, but that "high
pitched noise" wasn't the motherboard speaker by chance? The one that beeps (or sometimes screams) when you get those errors? The other possibility is that what you heard was a hard drive squirming in its last throws of death. If it was the Primary Master, its still being connected would cause problems for the Primary Slave HD. (You have two HDs, right?) The other fan is the CPU fan, and you check it by putting your finger on its center to stop it, then let go. It should immediately crank up to full speed. No, you can't use anything but a proper IDE cable for your drives (motherboard to drives.) But that brings to mind power cables which brings to mind the power supply, which is usually at the top of the machine and has its own fan. If it went haywire, it might even have fried the drive(s). Try connecting the CDROM drive as Primary Master and disconnecting the two HDs (including their power connectors. Does BIOS see the CDROM drive properly? If so, swap that out for one of the drives, doesn't matter which, to see if that's detected properly, then test the second drive, again as Primary Master. In other words, test each one completely separate from the others. If not even the CDROM gets detected properly, then the controller (what you plug into on the motherboard) is perhaps fried. More in the morning when I've had a chance to read more carefully and do some research. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "grafxfriday" wrote in message ... Hi Ben, Gary and Rebel, OK first new info then what I did(operations) then Questions. New Info I do have the Windows 98 book with the cd key but no book for the eMachine itself. AMIBIOS version 1.20, base memory 641kb, Ext. Memory 262144. Hard Drive is Seagate U4 Model ST34311A, 4.3Gbytes, Firmware 6.01, 8944 CYL, 15HDE and 63 SECT. Motherboard is Intel AGPse FW8243LZ. I also found jumper settings. Operations Hardware I opened the computer and reseated the cable ribbons to and from the motherboard (3) and the CDROM ribbon also. Reseated the 2 Dimms cards and all connections on Motherboard and CDROM. BIOS SETUP - I reset BIOS to auto. The only thing it detected was CDROM in Secondary Master. (the Primary Slave was 26). UTILITY - clicked detect IDE, went to autodetect. again the only thing that was detected was SM CDROM. DEFAULT - Clicked load optimal. Then proceeded to startup error 202:boot failure and 203:insert boot diskette in A. I inserted cd then pressed format HDD with step by step. path=a:\ N. a:\format c: invalid drive specification. Restore HDD from CDROM. Restore is now in progress. C: Y. Invalid drive specification. cd\ Y md c:\windows Y IDS (then 2 more commands windows\system, windows\options. Same error Invalid Drive Specification.) a:\unzip - od c:\windows\options\R:\cabs.img (went from small r to capital R) checkdir: can't create extraction directory Back to BIOS - I uninstalled A. The computer beeps only once now. Error 200 and 203, insert cd, Boot to DOS prompt from cdrom. A:\dir (all the files seem to be here) Questions Hardware I remember there was a high pitched noise coming from the top of the computer when it crashed. I am sure the exterior fan is working. How do I check the other internal fan? Could I unplug the A drive cable or could it be connected to the CDROM? Operations How can I reformat the drives? Thank you all for your help. grafxfriday |
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It's late, and I'll maybe think of something tomorrow, but that "high
pitched noise" wasn't the motherboard speaker by chance? The one that beeps (or sometimes screams) when you get those errors? The other possibility is that what you heard was a hard drive squirming in its last throws of death. If it was the Primary Master, its still being connected would cause problems for the Primary Slave HD. (You have two HDs, right?) The other fan is the CPU fan, and you check it by putting your finger on its center to stop it, then let go. It should immediately crank up to full speed. No, you can't use anything but a proper IDE cable for your drives (motherboard to drives.) But that brings to mind power cables which brings to mind the power supply, which is usually at the top of the machine and has its own fan. If it went haywire, it might even have fried the drive(s). Try connecting the CDROM drive as Primary Master and disconnecting the two HDs (including their power connectors. Does BIOS see the CDROM drive properly? If so, swap that out for one of the drives, doesn't matter which, to see if that's detected properly, then test the second drive, again as Primary Master. In other words, test each one completely separate from the others. If not even the CDROM gets detected properly, then the controller (what you plug into on the motherboard) is perhaps fried. More in the morning when I've had a chance to read more carefully and do some research. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "grafxfriday" wrote in message ... Hi Ben, Gary and Rebel, OK first new info then what I did(operations) then Questions. New Info I do have the Windows 98 book with the cd key but no book for the eMachine itself. AMIBIOS version 1.20, base memory 641kb, Ext. Memory 262144. Hard Drive is Seagate U4 Model ST34311A, 4.3Gbytes, Firmware 6.01, 8944 CYL, 15HDE and 63 SECT. Motherboard is Intel AGPse FW8243LZ. I also found jumper settings. Operations Hardware I opened the computer and reseated the cable ribbons to and from the motherboard (3) and the CDROM ribbon also. Reseated the 2 Dimms cards and all connections on Motherboard and CDROM. BIOS SETUP - I reset BIOS to auto. The only thing it detected was CDROM in Secondary Master. (the Primary Slave was 26). UTILITY - clicked detect IDE, went to autodetect. again the only thing that was detected was SM CDROM. DEFAULT - Clicked load optimal. Then proceeded to startup error 202:boot failure and 203:insert boot diskette in A. I inserted cd then pressed format HDD with step by step. path=a:\ N. a:\format c: invalid drive specification. Restore HDD from CDROM. Restore is now in progress. C: Y. Invalid drive specification. cd\ Y md c:\windows Y IDS (then 2 more commands windows\system, windows\options. Same error Invalid Drive Specification.) a:\unzip - od c:\windows\options\R:\cabs.img (went from small r to capital R) checkdir: can't create extraction directory Back to BIOS - I uninstalled A. The computer beeps only once now. Error 200 and 203, insert cd, Boot to DOS prompt from cdrom. A:\dir (all the files seem to be here) Questions Hardware I remember there was a high pitched noise coming from the top of the computer when it crashed. I am sure the exterior fan is working. How do I check the other internal fan? Could I unplug the A drive cable or could it be connected to the CDROM? Operations How can I reformat the drives? Thank you all for your help. grafxfriday |
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Hi Gary,
The high pitched noise came from the top of the tower near the CDROM. It's tone did not sound like the beeps Windows makes. It lasted for 1.5 mins. I did upgrade with two 128MB PC100 SDRAM. Not Dimms. I will check the CPU fan. The other fan (larger one,exterior) near the top of the tower, works as I can put my hand near and feel the wind. I will do the connections you mentioned. I just wanted to rule out as much in the AM as possible. -- Do what you enjoy for a living! "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: It's late, and I'll maybe think of something tomorrow, but that "high pitched noise" wasn't the motherboard speaker by chance? The one that beeps (or sometimes screams) when you get those errors? The other possibility is that what you heard was a hard drive squirming in its last throws of death. If it was the Primary Master, its still being connected would cause problems for the Primary Slave HD. (You have two HDs, right?) The other fan is the CPU fan, and you check it by putting your finger on its center to stop it, then let go. It should immediately crank up to full speed. No, you can't use anything but a proper IDE cable for your drives (motherboard to drives.) But that brings to mind power cables which brings to mind the power supply, which is usually at the top of the machine and has its own fan. If it went haywire, it might even have fried the drive(s). Try connecting the CDROM drive as Primary Master and disconnecting the two HDs (including their power connectors. Does BIOS see the CDROM drive properly? If so, swap that out for one of the drives, doesn't matter which, to see if that's detected properly, then test the second drive, again as Primary Master. In other words, test each one completely separate from the others. If not even the CDROM gets detected properly, then the controller (what you plug into on the motherboard) is perhaps fried. More in the morning when I've had a chance to read more carefully and do some research. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "grafxfriday" wrote in message ... Hi Ben, Gary and Rebel, OK first new info then what I did(operations) then Questions. New Info I do have the Windows 98 book with the cd key but no book for the eMachine itself. AMIBIOS version 1.20, base memory 641kb, Ext. Memory 262144. Hard Drive is Seagate U4 Model ST34311A, 4.3Gbytes, Firmware 6.01, 8944 CYL, 15HDE and 63 SECT. Motherboard is Intel AGPse FW8243LZ. I also found jumper settings. Operations Hardware I opened the computer and reseated the cable ribbons to and from the motherboard (3) and the CDROM ribbon also. Reseated the 2 Dimms cards and all connections on Motherboard and CDROM. BIOS SETUP - I reset BIOS to auto. The only thing it detected was CDROM in Secondary Master. (the Primary Slave was 26). UTILITY - clicked detect IDE, went to autodetect. again the only thing that was detected was SM CDROM. DEFAULT - Clicked load optimal. Then proceeded to startup error 202:boot failure and 203:insert boot diskette in A. I inserted cd then pressed format HDD with step by step. path=a:\ N. a:\format c: invalid drive specification. Restore HDD from CDROM. Restore is now in progress. C: Y. Invalid drive specification. cd\ Y md c:\windows Y IDS (then 2 more commands windows\system, windows\options. Same error Invalid Drive Specification.) a:\unzip - od c:\windows\options\R:\cabs.img (went from small r to capital R) checkdir: can't create extraction directory Back to BIOS - I uninstalled A. The computer beeps only once now. Error 200 and 203, insert cd, Boot to DOS prompt from cdrom. A:\dir (all the files seem to be here) Questions Hardware I remember there was a high pitched noise coming from the top of the computer when it crashed. I am sure the exterior fan is working. How do I check the other internal fan? Could I unplug the A drive cable or could it be connected to the CDROM? Operations How can I reformat the drives? Thank you all for your help. grafxfriday |
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