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"Shane" wrote in message
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Cheers Will.

I asked my uncle how cricket on the radio was acceptable - I mean, I can
just about accept football on the radio, largely because the commentator's
excitement, and that of the crowd, can trigger one's own, but how can that
happen with cricket? So he cites commentators talking about the cake some
listener sent in! I daresay you know who I mean, and isn't he dead now?

Anyway, how're you keeping (howzat!)? Well, I trust!

Shane


Will Denny wrote:
Hi Shane

Yes we got David 'bye' the short and curlies last time :-)) Yup all
the cricket is on Sky - with highlights on C5.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

So, correct me if I'm wrong.

Internationals and the Ashes are on Sky, with highlight shows on
Channel 5, and the rest is on Radio 5.

My uncle wants to know. I thought of you, when he asked! Personally
my only interest in cricket is whether 'we' beat 'David'.


Shane

Mike M wrote:
A NIC gets three votes
out of ten is my understanding.

Total votes are twelve with the NIC if present counting for 3. Where a
system has no NIC total votes are I believe 10 with the "no NIC"
counting for some reason as one rather than three. Reactivation is only
triggered if system changes result in only six or less of the original
votes being still present.

Whatever. For those of us who upgrade hardware, it's a PITA.

If they want to know, they can come look at my receipt. All they have
to do is make an appointment. I see no reason why I should be
obligated to prove I am not a thief.

I'm sure that's not a problem provided you accept that you won't be
entitled to use their web sites until you do so.

I believe by having bought XP, I have a RIGHT to updates, don't I?

A receipt is no
guarantee of a genuine copy, there is more than one rogue system builder
that has installed XP on systems they've sold using an illegally
obtained volume licence or keygen.

I bought mine from a retailer that buys them from MS. MS should know
which retailers they sell to, don't they?

Much simpler in my mind to use WGA.

Please read the XP general group and check how many legitimate owners of
XP are having problems.


Fact is that MS made billions with their preXP OSs.

And the relevance of this is precisely what? It has no bearing to the
subject.

The relevance is that with XP they have and will make billions but not
due to the WPA or WGA. IOW, those two anti piracy programs will not
affect the bottom line of MS except for people like me who are
considering Linux before Vista.


Fact is that
millions of XP pirated versions are being used today. WGA and WPA only
inconvenience paying customers while the crackers just laugh.

That's simply cr$p but then for some peculiar reason known only to
yourself you've got an axe to grind and let that apparently obscure your
judgement and reasoning.

What is not true about the above statement? Calling it "crap" and going
after my persona doesn't tell me much.

I've got four XP systems here, all multi-boot,
I also have two laptops (both used by my daughters) and maintain a large
number of other systems running XP and not one has ever had the
slightest problem with either WPA or WGA. What you appear to have
difficulty in understanding is that WPA has in the past, now and in the
future, stopped a significant number of users from using stolen or
otherwise illegal copies of XP and MS Office. No one, least of all
Microsoft, has ever claimed that WPA will stop those determined to use
cracks or keygens. If you think that then you are on your own there.

I was at a house the other day and suggested that they upgrade to XP.
The wife got on the phone, called her local cracker and had a cracked
version delivered to her in an hour. These people are not computer
techs. She is a housewife and he is a stock broker. Go on the Spanish
newsgroups and ask how many have a legit version of XP. You will be
laughed off the group.

A

Football is 4 girlies - cricket is a mans game!!!!! I'm very well, thank
you Shane.

Will

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"Shane" wrote in message
...
Cheers Will.

I asked my uncle how cricket on the radio was acceptable - I mean, I can
just about accept football on the radio, largely because the commentator's
excitement, and that of the crowd, can trigger one's own, but how can that
happen with cricket? So he cites commentators talking about the cake some
listener sent in! I daresay you know who I mean, and isn't he dead now?

Anyway, how're you keeping (howzat!)? Well, I trust!

Shane

Hey Joan - how are you you? Long time no hear. Yes Alias's postings have
been deleted.

--


Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups

"Joan Archer" wrote in message
...

I've just come from XP General and the last two posts of Alias are no
longer on the server but your replies are, which I usually just put down
to the servers being out of synch when I go to get posts g
Joan

Whatever. For those of us who upgrade hardware, it's a PITA.

That's hardly true and for those that do feel the need to regularly remove
hardware it is hardly an inconvenience to reactivate following those
changes although for those having to do so by phone I admit it is a pain
in the butt. I can think of few reasons to need to remove an old NIC even
if adding a new one although lack of slots could be one. For example I
have an older system here where I added a gigabit NIC but left the 100Mbps
NIC in situ for this very reason, however like yourself I have had to
reactivate on I think one occasion as a result of inadvertently disabling
the NIC on a machine.

I believe by having bought XP, I have a RIGHT to updates, don't I?

No, not necessarily. Note you didn't buy XP, but rather bought as licence
to install and use XP. I can think of many examples where updates are not
free but rather require additional payment. In this case all Microsoft
are asking is that you validate your entitlement to obtain a free update.
Remember that security patches continue to be delivered free via AU
regardless of whether the user has validated their system via WGA or not.

I bought mine from a retailer that buys them from MS. MS should know
which retailers they sell to, don't they?

Whilst I am no defender of Microsoft surely no-one with a legitimate copy
can object to their providing evidence that they have a legal copy before
accessing a Microsoft web site and obtaining free enhancements to their
system? Without checking your system Microsoft wouldn't have a clue as to
where you bought your licence to use their operating system. Again
downloading critical security updates via AU does not require the user to
use WGA. However, like yourself I do (and did at the time elsewhere)
question the recent update to WGA as being called "critical".

What is not true about the above statement? Calling it "crap" and
going after my persona doesn't tell me much.

You're the one grinding the axe. It might be your continued harping on
about this that led to your being censored rather than the actual content
of your posts. Saying the same thing over and over does become rather
boring. :-) As for going after your person I have done nothing of the
sort.

I was at a house the other day and suggested that they upgrade to XP.
The wife got on the phone, called her local cracker and had a cracked
version delivered to her in an hour.

Not everyone moves in the circles that you do. :-) It may come as a
surprise but most users are quite honest. I'm making no comment about
either yourself or even myself and at no time have I intentionally or
unintentionally tried to suggest that you are anything other than honest
nor that your MS systems and applications have been anything but honestly
obtained.

Go on the Spanish
newsgroups and ask how many have a legit version of XP.

This quite possibly tells me more about the Spanish than anything else.
Those using newsgroups rather than web fora and the like tend to be more
geeky than those who do not.
--
Mike Maltby



A wrote:

Mike M wrote:
A NIC gets three votes
out of ten is my understanding.

Total votes are twelve with the NIC if present counting for 3. Where a
system has no NIC total votes are I believe 10 with the "no
NIC" counting for some reason as one rather than three. Reactivation is
only triggered if system changes result in only six
or less of the original votes being still present.

Whatever. For those of us who upgrade hardware, it's a PITA.

If they want to know, they can come look at my receipt. All they
have to do is make an appointment. I see no reason why I should be
obligated to prove I am not a thief.

I'm sure that's not a problem provided you accept that you won't be
entitled to use their web sites until you do so.

I believe by having bought XP, I have a RIGHT to updates, don't I?

A receipt is no
guarantee of a genuine copy, there is more than one rogue system
builder that has installed XP on systems they've sold using an
illegally obtained volume licence or keygen.

I bought mine from a retailer that buys them from MS. MS should know
which retailers they sell to, don't they?

Much simpler in my mind to use WGA.

Please read the XP general group and check how many legitimate owners
of XP are having problems.


Fact is that MS made billions with their preXP OSs.

And the relevance of this is precisely what? It has no bearing to
the subject.

The relevance is that with XP they have and will make billions but not
due to the WPA or WGA. IOW, those two anti piracy programs will not
affect the bottom line of MS except for people like me who are
considering Linux before Vista.


Fact is that
millions of XP pirated versions are being used today. WGA and WPA
only inconvenience paying customers while the crackers just laugh.

That's simply cr$p but then for some peculiar reason known only to
yourself you've got an axe to grind and let that apparently obscure
your judgement and reasoning.

What is not true about the above statement? Calling it "crap" and
going after my persona doesn't tell me much.

I've got four XP systems here, all multi-boot,
I also have two laptops (both used by my daughters) and maintain a
large number of other systems running XP and not one has ever had the
slightest problem with either WPA or WGA. What you appear to have
difficulty in understanding is that WPA has in the past, now and in
the future, stopped a significant number of users from using stolen
or otherwise illegal copies of XP and MS Office. No one, least of
all Microsoft, has ever claimed that WPA will stop those determined
to use cracks or keygens. If you think that then you are on your
own there.

I was at a house the other day and suggested that they upgrade to XP.
The wife got on the phone, called her local cracker and had a cracked
version delivered to her in an hour. These people are not computer
techs. She is a housewife and he is a stock broker. Go on the Spanish
newsgroups and ask how many have a legit version of XP. You will be
laughed off the group.

A

Michael,

Please e-mail me at .
--
Mike Maltby

I sincerely hope you didn't install it for her. I DON'T want to know if you
did. G

You do need to be aware that installation of such copies could leave you
open to possible criminal prosecution even if you did not provide the copy.


--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"A" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
A NIC gets three votes
out of ten is my understanding.

Total votes are twelve with the NIC if present counting for 3. Where a
system has no NIC total votes are I believe 10 with the "no NIC" counting
for some reason as one rather than three. Reactivation is only triggered
if system changes result in only six or less of the original votes being
still present.

Whatever. For those of us who upgrade hardware, it's a PITA.

If they want to know, they can come look at my receipt. All they have
to do is make an appointment. I see no reason why I should be
obligated to prove I am not a thief.

I'm sure that's not a problem provided you accept that you won't be
entitled to use their web sites until you do so.

I believe by having bought XP, I have a RIGHT to updates, don't I?

A receipt is no guarantee of a genuine copy, there is more than one rogue
system builder that has installed XP on systems they've sold using an
illegally obtained volume licence or keygen.

I bought mine from a retailer that buys them from MS. MS should know which
retailers they sell to, don't they?

Much simpler in my mind to use WGA.

Please read the XP general group and check how many legitimate owners of
XP are having problems.


Fact is that MS made billions with their preXP OSs.

And the relevance of this is precisely what? It has no bearing to the
subject.

The relevance is that with XP they have and will make billions but not due
to the WPA or WGA. IOW, those two anti piracy programs will not affect the
bottom line of MS except for people like me who are considering Linux
before Vista.


Fact is that
millions of XP pirated versions are being used today. WGA and WPA only
inconvenience paying customers while the crackers just laugh.

That's simply cr$p but then for some peculiar reason known only to
yourself you've got an axe to grind and let that apparently obscure your
judgement and reasoning.

What is not true about the above statement? Calling it "crap" and going
after my persona doesn't tell me much.

I've got four XP systems here, all multi-boot, I also have two laptops
(both used by my daughters) and maintain a large number of other systems
running XP and not one has ever had the slightest problem with either WPA
or WGA. What you appear to have difficulty in understanding is that WPA
has in the past, now and in the future, stopped a significant number of
users from using stolen or otherwise illegal copies of XP and MS Office.
No one, least of all Microsoft, has ever claimed that WPA will stop those
determined to use cracks or keygens. If you think that then you are on
your own there.

I was at a house the other day and suggested that they upgrade to XP. The
wife got on the phone, called her local cracker and had a cracked version
delivered to her in an hour. These people are not computer techs. She is a
housewife and he is a stock broker. Go on the Spanish newsgroups and ask
how many have a legit version of XP. You will be laughed off the group.

A

Larry Samuels wrote:
I sincerely hope you didn't install it for her. I DON'T want to know if you
did. G

No, I left. The cracker installed it for them.

You do need to be aware that installation of such copies could leave you
open to possible criminal prosecution even if you did not provide the copy.

I know.

A

Larry Samuels wrote:
I sincerely hope you didn't install it for her. I DON'T want to know if you
did. G

You do need to be aware that installation of such copies could leave you
open to possible criminal prosecution even if you did not provide the copy.



Don't get me wrong. I am against piracy. I told the couple they should
buy a copy but they wouldn't. I only own legit software or licenses.

A

Rubbish, it's absolutely boring g
Joan


Will Denny wrote:
Football is 4 girlies - cricket is a mans game!!!!! I'm very well,
thank you Shane.

Will