Windows 98 network not working

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

In article ,
"Fatso" wrote:
Sorry Steve, maybe I shouldn't have cleaned up the post a bit, I'll try again
with all the other bits

This is as I put it before

"I have file and printer sharing already enabled on both, I have been playing
with the browse master settings as well. At the moment I can see machine 1
from machine 2 but can't access it either through network neighbourhood or
through the run command.

To give a little background to the problem, I have had them working before
in a peer to peer network with ICS, whcih was okay if a little unstable at
times, we changed plans with our ISP and my Father had troubles when that
changed over so called their helpdesk (when I wasn't around) who managed to
promptly detonate the network settings {aren't ISP helpdesks helpful }.
After fighting with that for a day I figured I'd install a switch (8 port
10/100 skymaster) to make a more stable network and do away with the peer to
peer ICS problems, but so far I have been fighting with the network for about
a week with no luck.

Thanks for the info on WINS, also thanks to everyone trying to help, I do
appreciate it. "

The DHCP comes from the d-link dsl 302-g modem/router.

The strange part is that I keep seeming to get different symptoms using the
same settings, for instance before I went to lunch:

machine 1 had full access to machine 2, machine 2 could see machine one but
could not access it (giving error that the network name couldn't be found).

When I came back from lunch, neither computer could see/access the other so
I rebooted both, now machine 1 can access & see machine 2 again but machine 2
has nothing in the network nighbourhood, not even itself or an entire network
icon. (it can still ping them using run - ping 10.x.x.x), no-one touched the
network or the settings, or even the computers in that time.

The only thing that has changed is that I ate curried sausages for lunch but
I fail to see why that took what little network I had down.

The sausages obviously gave your network indigestion. :-)

Thanks for the details of the network setup and the D-Link
modem/router.

Please run these tests, substituting the actual IP addresses and
computer names, and report the results:

1. Ping each computer from the other using both IP address and
computer name:

ping 10.0.0.2
ping computerA
ping 10.0.0.3
ping computerB

2. Access each computer's shared resources directly, without using My
Network Places, by both IP address and computer name, by typing these
commands in the Start | Run box:

\\10.0.0.2
\\computerA
\\10.0.0.3
\\computerB

Ok, after a nights sleep I'm ready to fight with it again....

Pointing at machine 1 from machine 2
step 1.
pinging the ip - ok
pinging the name - ok

Step 2.
\\ip address - "The network name cannot be found"
\\name - "The network name cannot be found"

From machine 1 to machine 2
Step 1. All ok
Step 2. All ok

This is where the problem lies, the symptoms vary a bit, sometimes I can see
the network on machine 2, I've even seen the other computer, but I haven't
been able to access it.

Thanks for doing those tests. Here's what they show:

A. Both computers can ping each other by IP address and by computer
name. The TCP/IP protocol and name resolution (using NetBIOS, not
WINS) are working on both of them.

B. Machine 1 can access machine 2's shared resources by IP address and
computer name. "Client for Microsoft Networks" is working on machine
1, and "File and Printer Sharing" is working on machine 2.

C. Machine 2 can't access machine 1's shared resources by IP address
or by computer name. One or both of these could cause the problem:

"Client for Microsoft Networks" isn't working on machine 2
"File and Printer Sharing" isn't working on machine 1.

Possible solution:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 1.

2. If "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" is installed,
un-install it, reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot.

5. Share the desired disks and folders.

6. Try network access again.

If that doesn't solve the problem:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 2.

2. If "Client for Microsoft Networks" is installed, un-install it,
reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "Client for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot and try network access again.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm


I have tried that now, to no avail, unfortunately, no change from before.

for some reason I haven't been able to reply here before now to let you know.

Chris

OMG I have finally sorted it out.

I thought I had uninstalled Zonealarm off machine 1 a while ago, now I find
that it was still installed and even though it wasn't running, I had disabled
it to stop it interferring, the darned thing was still blocking connections.

I have uninstalled it and the network is now working

Thanks to all the guys who tried to help
--
Chris


"Fatso" wrote:



"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

In article ,
"Fatso" wrote:
Sorry Steve, maybe I shouldn't have cleaned up the post a bit, I'll try again
with all the other bits

This is as I put it before

"I have file and printer sharing already enabled on both, I have been playing
with the browse master settings as well. At the moment I can see machine 1
from machine 2 but can't access it either through network neighbourhood or
through the run command.

To give a little background to the problem, I have had them working before
in a peer to peer network with ICS, whcih was okay if a little unstable at
times, we changed plans with our ISP and my Father had troubles when that
changed over so called their helpdesk (when I wasn't around) who managed to
promptly detonate the network settings {aren't ISP helpdesks helpful }.
After fighting with that for a day I figured I'd install a switch (8 port
10/100 skymaster) to make a more stable network and do away with the peer to
peer ICS problems, but so far I have been fighting with the network for about
a week with no luck.

Thanks for the info on WINS, also thanks to everyone trying to help, I do
appreciate it. "

The DHCP comes from the d-link dsl 302-g modem/router.

The strange part is that I keep seeming to get different symptoms using the
same settings, for instance before I went to lunch:

machine 1 had full access to machine 2, machine 2 could see machine one but
could not access it (giving error that the network name couldn't be found).

When I came back from lunch, neither computer could see/access the other so
I rebooted both, now machine 1 can access & see machine 2 again but machine 2
has nothing in the network nighbourhood, not even itself or an entire network
icon. (it can still ping them using run - ping 10.x.x.x), no-one touched the
network or the settings, or even the computers in that time.

The only thing that has changed is that I ate curried sausages for lunch but
I fail to see why that took what little network I had down.

The sausages obviously gave your network indigestion. :-)

Thanks for the details of the network setup and the D-Link
modem/router.

Please run these tests, substituting the actual IP addresses and
computer names, and report the results:

1. Ping each computer from the other using both IP address and
computer name:

ping 10.0.0.2
ping computerA
ping 10.0.0.3
ping computerB

2. Access each computer's shared resources directly, without using My
Network Places, by both IP address and computer name, by typing these
commands in the Start | Run box:

\\10.0.0.2
\\computerA
\\10.0.0.3
\\computerB

Ok, after a nights sleep I'm ready to fight with it again....

Pointing at machine 1 from machine 2
step 1.
pinging the ip - ok
pinging the name - ok

Step 2.
\\ip address - "The network name cannot be found"
\\name - "The network name cannot be found"

From machine 1 to machine 2
Step 1. All ok
Step 2. All ok

This is where the problem lies, the symptoms vary a bit, sometimes I can see
the network on machine 2, I've even seen the other computer, but I haven't
been able to access it.

Thanks for doing those tests. Here's what they show:

A. Both computers can ping each other by IP address and by computer
name. The TCP/IP protocol and name resolution (using NetBIOS, not
WINS) are working on both of them.

B. Machine 1 can access machine 2's shared resources by IP address and
computer name. "Client for Microsoft Networks" is working on machine
1, and "File and Printer Sharing" is working on machine 2.

C. Machine 2 can't access machine 1's shared resources by IP address
or by computer name. One or both of these could cause the problem:

"Client for Microsoft Networks" isn't working on machine 2
"File and Printer Sharing" isn't working on machine 1.

Possible solution:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 1.

2. If "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" is installed,
un-install it, reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot.

5. Share the desired disks and folders.

6. Try network access again.

If that doesn't solve the problem:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 2.

2. If "Client for Microsoft Networks" is installed, un-install it,
reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "Client for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot and try network access again.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm


I have tried that now, to no avail, unfortunately, no change from before.

for some reason I haven't been able to reply here before now to let you know.

Chris

OMG I have finally sorted it out.

I thought I had uninstalled Zonealarm off machine 1 a while ago, now I find
that it was still installed and even though it wasn't running, I had disabled
it to stop it interferring, the darned thing was still blocking connections.

I have uninstalled it and the network is now working

Thanks to all the guys who tried to help
--
Chris


"Fatso" wrote:



"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

In article ,
"Fatso" wrote:
Sorry Steve, maybe I shouldn't have cleaned up the post a bit, I'll try again
with all the other bits

This is as I put it before

"I have file and printer sharing already enabled on both, I have been playing
with the browse master settings as well. At the moment I can see machine 1
from machine 2 but can't access it either through network neighbourhood or
through the run command.

To give a little background to the problem, I have had them working before
in a peer to peer network with ICS, whcih was okay if a little unstable at
times, we changed plans with our ISP and my Father had troubles when that
changed over so called their helpdesk (when I wasn't around) who managed to
promptly detonate the network settings {aren't ISP helpdesks helpful }.
After fighting with that for a day I figured I'd install a switch (8 port
10/100 skymaster) to make a more stable network and do away with the peer to
peer ICS problems, but so far I have been fighting with the network for about
a week with no luck.

Thanks for the info on WINS, also thanks to everyone trying to help, I do
appreciate it. "

The DHCP comes from the d-link dsl 302-g modem/router.

The strange part is that I keep seeming to get different symptoms using the
same settings, for instance before I went to lunch:

machine 1 had full access to machine 2, machine 2 could see machine one but
could not access it (giving error that the network name couldn't be found).

When I came back from lunch, neither computer could see/access the other so
I rebooted both, now machine 1 can access & see machine 2 again but machine 2
has nothing in the network nighbourhood, not even itself or an entire network
icon. (it can still ping them using run - ping 10.x.x.x), no-one touched the
network or the settings, or even the computers in that time.

The only thing that has changed is that I ate curried sausages for lunch but
I fail to see why that took what little network I had down.

The sausages obviously gave your network indigestion. :-)

Thanks for the details of the network setup and the D-Link
modem/router.

Please run these tests, substituting the actual IP addresses and
computer names, and report the results:

1. Ping each computer from the other using both IP address and
computer name:

ping 10.0.0.2
ping computerA
ping 10.0.0.3
ping computerB

2. Access each computer's shared resources directly, without using My
Network Places, by both IP address and computer name, by typing these
commands in the Start | Run box:

\\10.0.0.2
\\computerA
\\10.0.0.3
\\computerB

Ok, after a nights sleep I'm ready to fight with it again....

Pointing at machine 1 from machine 2
step 1.
pinging the ip - ok
pinging the name - ok

Step 2.
\\ip address - "The network name cannot be found"
\\name - "The network name cannot be found"

From machine 1 to machine 2
Step 1. All ok
Step 2. All ok

This is where the problem lies, the symptoms vary a bit, sometimes I can see
the network on machine 2, I've even seen the other computer, but I haven't
been able to access it.

Thanks for doing those tests. Here's what they show:

A. Both computers can ping each other by IP address and by computer
name. The TCP/IP protocol and name resolution (using NetBIOS, not
WINS) are working on both of them.

B. Machine 1 can access machine 2's shared resources by IP address and
computer name. "Client for Microsoft Networks" is working on machine
1, and "File and Printer Sharing" is working on machine 2.

C. Machine 2 can't access machine 1's shared resources by IP address
or by computer name. One or both of these could cause the problem:

"Client for Microsoft Networks" isn't working on machine 2
"File and Printer Sharing" isn't working on machine 1.

Possible solution:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 1.

2. If "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" is installed,
un-install it, reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot.

5. Share the desired disks and folders.

6. Try network access again.

If that doesn't solve the problem:

1. Go to Control Panel | Network on machine 2.

2. If "Client for Microsoft Networks" is installed, un-install it,
reboot, and go back to Control Panel | Network.

3. Install "Client for Microsoft Networks".

4. Reboot and try network access again.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm


I have tried that now, to no avail, unfortunately, no change from before.

for some reason I haven't been able to reply here before now to let you know.

Chris

In article ,
"Fatso" wrote:
OMG I have finally sorted it out.

I thought I had uninstalled Zonealarm off machine 1 a while ago, now I find
that it was still installed and even though it wasn't running, I had disabled
it to stop it interferring, the darned thing was still blocking connections.

I have uninstalled it and the network is now working

Thanks to all the guys who tried to help

You're welcome. Nice going to find the problem, and thanks for
posting the solution. I'm sure that it will help other people.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

In article ,
"Fatso" wrote:
OMG I have finally sorted it out.

I thought I had uninstalled Zonealarm off machine 1 a while ago, now I find
that it was still installed and even though it wasn't running, I had disabled
it to stop it interferring, the darned thing was still blocking connections.

I have uninstalled it and the network is now working

Thanks to all the guys who tried to help

You're welcome. Nice going to find the problem, and thanks for
posting the solution. I'm sure that it will help other people.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm