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I'm using Windows 9
98 Guy wrote:
" used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily full-quoting: As I understood it, Win2000 was supposed to be a combined version, able to work on standalone computers (i.e. upgrade from Win98SE) *and* networked computers (i.e. upgrade from NT versions) Wrong on several counts. First, you make some sort of distinction between networked and non-networked operating systems, as if to imply that win98 was somehow not suited for networked use (that it was somehow designed for stand-alone use) - which couldn't be further from the truth. Second, you imply that win-2k was a direct replacement for win-98. That is also wrong. No, not at all, as, in the part of my post that you snipped I typed "but, after its release, Win2000 was found to not work well on standalones, so the revised standalone version became WinME." Sorry, after reading to the end of your post, I now see you didn't snip that bit at all, sorry!! Anyone running win-98 was doing so as a non-system administrator (in an organizational setting) or was running it in a home/soho setting. They would continue to run win-98 in those settings until their next computer purchase - which could have been a computer with windows ME or Windows XP. So-called power users, developers or servers would have already been running windows NT4 either in an organizational setting or soho setting, and those are the ones that would have switched over to Windows 2k. Again, as I typed, Win2000 was supposed to be the combine, but didn't work in standalone situations, so implying it did work as a networked replacement Home users that were also "power users" or early adopters didn't switch from win-9x/me to Win-2k for a variety of reasons, but predominantly because early driver support was lagging on win-2k, particularly for sound cards. Power users (in home settings) are more likely to be avid game players. Micro$oft's own sales documents specifically mention that win-2k was not designed for home use (the support load that microsoft would have experienced from home users trying to figure out how to use win-2k would have been overwhelming). And the hardware requirements in terms of CPU, ram and hard-drive size were higher for win-2k vs 9x/me, and in those days that difference equated to significantly more expensive price tag. So you might think that win-2K was somehow part of the upgrade or migration path for win-9x/me - but for all the reasons mentioned above, it wasn't. Just look at your own experiences with people you know, and how many of them went from win-98 to win-2k (in 2000 or 2001) vs win-xp (in 2002 and beyond). I stuck with Win98SE (on my desktop computer, which I still use, occasionally) until I brought this laptop which came with Win7 pre-installed. I then dual-installed various Linux installations which is where I send most of my on-line time, basically just booting Win7 to get various updates! At my last place of work, the Australian Taxation Office, they only updated to Win7 from WinXP, sometime after I left in 2011. Don't know when any previous updates had occured. Most family members have updated Windows versions as they brought new computers, so no real "updating" of OS's. but, after its release, Win2000 was found to not work well on standalones, so the revised standalone version became WinME. Again, this distinction between OS functionality or OS performance and the network "connected-ness" of the machine is bogus. O.K., as I started my previous post "As I understood it,", your understanding was different!! Daniel |
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I'm using Windows 9
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:12:20 +1100, "
wrote: who where wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:52:48 -0600, wrote: The current version of Windows is "Windows 8". Well, I have Windows 9, so I am ahead of the times. Actually, I have Windows 9.8..... That's even better yet. Considering Windows 95 and 98 and 98se have always been referred to as "Windows 9". Not quite. They are (collectively) Windows 4 and apart from that tag were "always" referred to as Win9X. Big difference. The latest versions were all numbers. ALL Windows versions were numbers if you ever bothered to look under the fancy packaging. And then there was XP. Another name I never understood where it came from. Does it matter? They can stick whatever name on it they like to distinguish it from any predecessor. And even Windows ME, was millenium edition, for the year 2000. (That was an overlap of the same year.... not too bright on their part either). ME was the dismal last Win4 version. Win2000 was the first "mainstream" NT version. These were two separate OS streams, just as NT 3.51/NT4 etc had existed for years alongside Win4. As I understood it, Win2000 was supposed to be a combined version, able to work on standalone computers (i.e. upgrade from Win98SE) *and* networked computers (i.e. upgrade from NT versions) but, after its release, Win2000 was found to not work well on standalones, so the revised standalone version became WinME. Noooo. There was no "supposed to" about it. In terms of *purpose* Win2000 was an attempt to introduce the NT paranoid-security flavour of O/S to the masses and wean them off the (in MS' thinking) less secure Win4 stream. Epic fail. WinME was an attempt to tart up Win98 to get people to move on. Another epic fail - if you did a count of destops running 98SE vs ME right now the ratio would embarrass Mickeysoft. The networking aspect you mention is a complete red herring. Networking has been quite functional through Win3 (as in 3.11/WfWg) and all of Win4. |
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I'm using Windows 9
who where was a boob because he full-quoted:
As I understood it, Win2000 was supposed to be a combined version, able to work on standalone computers (i.e. upgrade from Win98SE) *and* networked computers (i.e. upgrade from NT versions) Noooo. There was no "supposed to" about it. In terms of *purpose* Win2000 was an attempt to introduce the NT paranoid-security flavour of O/S to the masses and wean them off the (in MS' thinking) less secure Win4 stream. Epic fail. No, you are an epic fail. Windoze 2k was never intended to be used as the next OS by win-9x/me users. In other words, win-2k was not "introduced to the masses" to wean them off 9x/me. The "masses" never got their hands on 2k. Only developers, system admins and other institutional / corporate power-users got their hands on 2k (and 2k-server versions). Windoze 2K was a progression between NT4 and XP, but it wasn't ready to be used by the average boob, either on home computers or SOHO computers. NT4 needed desperately to be updated and win-2k was the update, but for institutional / corporate use as part of a managed network. WinME was an attempt to tart up Win98 to get people to move on. WinME was Micro$haft's way to cash in on the craze to update computers that was happening because of Y2K (the global fear that computer infrastructure would crash on newyears day, 2000). Another epic fail - if you did a count of destops running 98SE vs ME right now the ratio would embarrass Mickeysoft. There was a very short time-frame between ME and XP, and that is the real reason why you didn't see many ME systems. The networking aspect you mention is a complete red herring. Networking has been quite functional through Win3 (as in 3.11 /WfWg) and all of Win4. At least you got that correct. Dan-47 is completely wrong in saying that Win-9x/me works better as a standalone computer vs when it's connected to a network (or connected to the internet) and he's completely wrong in saying that win-2K somehow suffers (in what way?) when it's NOT connected to a network. Any computer can *do more* when it's part of a network or when it has access to the internet, regardless if it's running 9x/me or 2k or XP. |
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I'm using Windows 9
In message ,
" writes: wrote: [] I have XP on my laptop, but only because it came with it. I got rid ofmost of the bloat crap, but I still dislike it. I'd like to install a larger harddrive in that laptop, but I cant, because although the XP is licensed and legal, it did not come with an install CD. I refuse to buy [] To clone your current 40Gb HD to a bigger one, do an Internet search for a program called something like dd.exe. Somebody mention this program, here-abouts, as a way to clone an installed HD to a HD that is connected via USB. This will copy your 40GB HD to a 40GB portion on your new, bigger, HD and then it should allow you to increase the amount of the HD which Windows would be allowed to "see". (I had a quick google, and it seems it's very command-line based.) Does it clone such that the cloned drive is still authorised/registered or whatever the term is - i. e. so that it will work without requiring any communication with Microsoft? I thought the serial number, model number, of the HD changing was moderately likely to trigger a re-reg/auth being required. Note I've never actually used this dd.exe program, just relating what [Is "someone else" here (-:?] someone else typed. When I want to fiddle with the size of the divisions on this HD, I use the equivalent Linux function, also called dd. Daniel -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Don't play "stupid" with me... I'm better at it. |
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I'm using Windows 9
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:13:36 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
who where was a boob because he full-quoted: As I understood it, Win2000 was supposed to be a combined version, able to work on standalone computers (i.e. upgrade from Win98SE) *and* networked computers (i.e. upgrade from NT versions) Noooo. There was no "supposed to" about it. In terms of *purpose* Win2000 was an attempt to introduce the NT paranoid-security flavour of O/S to the masses and wean them off the (in MS' thinking) less secure Win4 stream. Epic fail. No, you are an epic fail. Windoze 2k was never intended to be used as the next OS by win-9x/me users. Ya reckon? I guess you are entitled to think that. In other words, win-2k was not "introduced to the masses" to wean them off 9x/me. The "masses" never got their hands on 2k. Only developers, system admins and other institutional / corporate power-users got their hands on 2k (and 2k-server versions). See above. Windoze 2K was a progression between NT4 and XP, but it wasn't ready to be used by the average boob, either on home computers or SOHO computers. I see that the other way around - those users weren't ready for 2K. NT4 needed desperately to be updated and win-2k was the update, but for institutional / corporate use as part of a managed network. Agree NT4 needed updating. WinME was an attempt to tart up Win98 to get people to move on. WinME was Micro$haft's way to cash in on the craze to update computers that was happening because of Y2K (the global fear that computer infrastructure would crash on newyears day, 2000). I spent two years in a *very* large organisation working on pre-emptive Y2K testing/modification. You and most others would not believe the number of failures that were prevented by that program. The very success of that is what leads many to describe Y2K as a non-event. Another epic fail - if you did a count of destops running 98SE vs ME right now the ratio would embarrass Mickeysoft. There was a very short time-frame between ME and XP, and that is the real reason why you didn't see many ME systems. From what I have seen, a *lot* of ME users reverted to 98SE within a short timespan. Whether that was due to the (now customary) MS lack of driver support/availability in the short term I don't know. The networking aspect you mention is a complete red herring. Networking has been quite functional through Win3 (as in 3.11 /WfWg) and all of Win4. At least you got that correct. Dan-47 is completely wrong in saying that Win-9x/me works better as a standalone computer vs when it's connected to a network (or connected to the internet) and he's completely wrong in saying that win-2K somehow suffers (in what way?) when it's NOT connected to a network. Any computer can *do more* when it's part of a network or when it has access to the internet, regardless if it's running 9x/me or 2k or XP. or even W3.11/WfWg .... |
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I'm using Windows 9
who where wrote:
Windoze 2k was never intended to be used as the next OS by win-9x/me users. Ya reckon? I guess you are entitled to think that. No version of Windoze that came in a "server" flavor was ever intended by Micro$haft to be used for home or soho users. Win-NT4 had at least TWO server versions - hence you never saw NT4 on home or soho computers. Win-2K had THREE server versions - hence you never saw 2K on home or soho computers. Win-2003, 2008 and 2012 are server versions only. There never was a server version of XP or Vista - that means yes, XP and Vista came on home and soho computers. There is no "server" version of Windows 7 - so that means that yes, Windoze 7 came on home and soho computers. The same is true for Windoze 8. There was a LOT of hardware back in 2000 through 2001 that did not have NT drivers that needed to be used with win-2k, particularly sound cards. The wikipedia article on Windows 2000 doesn't say much about where Microsoft positioned Win-2k relative to the consumer market or relative to win-9x/me, except for this: ================= Windows 2000 was first planned to replace both Windows 98 and Windows NT 4.0. However, that changed later. Instead, an updated version of Windows 98 called Windows 98 Second Edition was released in 1999 and Windows ME was released in late 2000. ================= And this: ================= Windows 2000 Professional was designed as the desktop operating system for businesses and power users ================= Again, the hardware requirements for 2K were way beyond what the consumer market was buying or could afford at the time, and also remember that there were four versions of win-2k, three of which were server versions, and the fourth version was "Windows 2000 PROFESSIONAL". I stress the word PROFESSIONAL here. Windoze 2K was a progression between NT4 and XP, but it wasn't ready to be used by the average boob, either on home computers or SOHO computers. I see that the other way around - those users weren't ready for 2K. Those users DIDN'T NEED 2K. The NT line was designed first and foremost to meet the IT needs of big corps, institutions and gov't use. Home and soho users didn't need all the extra baggage that came turned-on by default with 2K and XP - those various services that turned computers into trojan-hosting botnet zombies in the hands of home and soho users. Windows 2K wasn't ready to be placed in the hands of home and soho users because 2K needs to be administered by a central IT department and protected up the wazoo behind dedicated firewalls and other network appliances. Even XP-SP0 and SP1 wasn't ready to be put in the hands of home and soho users. In their hands, XP helped hackers explode the internet with spam and botnets. |
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I'm using Windows 9
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , " writes: wrote: [] I have XP on my laptop, but only because it came with it. I got rid ofmost of the bloat crap, but I still dislike it. I'd like to install a larger harddrive in that laptop, but I cant, because although the XP is licensed and legal, it did not come with an install CD. I refuse to buy [] To clone your current 40Gb HD to a bigger one, do an Internet search for a program called something like dd.exe. Somebody mention this program, here-abouts, as a way to clone an installed HD to a HD that is connected via USB. This will copy your 40GB HD to a 40GB portion on your new, bigger, HD and then it should allow you to increase the amount of the HD which Windows would be allowed to "see". (I had a quick google, and it seems it's very command-line based.) Does it clone such that the cloned drive is still authorised/registered or whatever the term is - i. e. so that it will work without requiring any communication with Microsoft? I thought the serial number, model number, of the HD changing was moderately likely to trigger a re-reg/auth being required. Note I've never actually used this dd.exe program, just relating what [Is "someone else" here (-:?] someone else typed. When I want to fiddle with the size of the divisions on this HD, I use the equivalent Linux function, also called dd. Daniel Sorry, John, I did a bit of a search on my Usenet groups but could not find a reference to "dd.exe", so couldn't find who it was that recommended the program. Doing a Google search gave me a program related to FujiFilm, but, interestingly, the first comment on that page was about the program I had heard about. http://www.file.net/process/dd.exe.html User Comments There is a "dd.exe" which is part of package Unxutils". It is tool used to copy, convert and format files based on various options. Pierre Lafreniere (further information) One of the other google finds was http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...4103623AA6lUFC "How do I use the "dd.exe" command correctly for copying an image? (I am using FAU for Windows).? I just installed Forensics Acquisition Utilities for windows" Might help those in need!! Daniel |
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In message , "
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , " writes: wrote: [] I have XP on my laptop, but only because it came with it. I got rid ofmost of the bloat crap, but I still dislike it. I'd like to install a larger harddrive in that laptop, but I cant, because although the XP is licensed and legal, it did not come with an install CD. I refuse to buy [] To clone your current 40Gb HD to a bigger one, do an Internet search for a program called something like dd.exe. Somebody mention this program, here-abouts, as a way to clone an installed HD to a HD that is connected via USB. This will copy your 40GB HD to a 40GB portion on your new, bigger, HD and then it should allow you to increase the amount of the HD which Windows would be allowed to "see". (I had a quick google, and it seems it's very command-line based.) Does it clone such that the cloned drive is still authorised/registered or whatever the term is - i. e. so that it will work without requiring any communication with Microsoft? I thought the serial number, model number, of the HD changing was moderately likely to trigger a re-reg/auth being required. Note I've never actually used this dd.exe program, just relating what [Is "someone else" here (-:?] someone else typed. When I want to fiddle with the size of the divisions on this HD, I use the equivalent Linux function, also called dd. Daniel Sorry, John, I did a bit of a search on my Usenet groups but could not find a reference to "dd.exe", so couldn't find who it was that recommended the program. Doing a Google search gave me a program related to FujiFilm, but, interestingly, the first comment on that page was about the program I had heard about. http://www.file.net/process/dd.exe.html User Comments There is a "dd.exe" which is part of package Unxutils". It is tool used to copy, convert and format files based on various options. Pierre Lafreniere (further information) One of the other google finds was http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question...4103623AA6lUFC "How do I use the "dd.exe" command correctly for copying an image? (I am using FAU for Windows).? I just installed Forensics Acquisition Utilities for windows" Might help those in need!! Thanks. Daniel -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Address the chair!" "There isn't a chair, there's only a rock!" "Well, call it a chair!" "Why not call it a rock?" (First series, fit the sixth.) |
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