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Old March 13th 05, 06:13 PM
Yasoo
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Default Hard Drive Question

I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810 chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc. for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank you.
  #2  
Old March 13th 05, 06:42 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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You want any IDE ATA hard drive. You do *not* want a SCSI or SATA hard
drive.

However, I would also recommend that you limit the size of your drive to
no more than 120GB, and that you partition the drive so that the OS
partition (where you will install Windows 98 to) is no larger than 8GB
(8192MB.) Here's how I usually partition a hard drive for Win98/98SE/ME
usage.

Primary Partition = 8192 MB, Active, OS partition.
Unless you are intending to add other OS installations and multi-boot,
make the rest of the drive an Extended partition, divvied up as follows:

4096MB--TEMP (You can make some settings adjustments to cause Windows to
use D:\TEMP as the TEMP and TMP environment. Also, you can tell IE to
put Temporary Internet Files here.)

The sizes for the rest of the partitions is a matter of determining what
you want to keep there and how much space you expect them to need. Be
generous in your calculations, and then add half again as much. (Free
space important.)

If you have *huge* suites of applications, like MS Office, Adobe Design
Suite, Visual Studio, AutoCAD, etc., then create an E:\ partition for
these. If it's *only* one of the above, like MS Office, then you can get
away with installing that to C:\.

Next partition should be for all personal files. You can change the My
Documents environment to this partition, for instance. And Outlook
Express storage folders, etc. The idea is to keep any personal documents
and user-created databases, etc., out of the system, applications or
TEMP partitions.

Additional partitions can be dedicated to multimedia files (music, pics,
video), special work spaces (like for a database project) and storage
for downloaded applications.

The reason for keeping the system partition to 8GB or less is so that
the cluster size will be 4KB. This provides the most efficient
arrangement for Win9x systems. Same goes for TEMP. Same goes, really,
for most small-file storage like letters, email storage, etc. However,
when it comes to large files (music, pics, multimedia, downloaded
programs, etc.) the small cluster size is not important, and partitions
larger than 8GB are just fine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this

question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be

much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions

like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a

hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810

chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc.

for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So

does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank

you.

  #3  
Old March 13th 05, 07:25 PM
Yasoo
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Gary -

Thank you very much. One thing I was wondering, when you say the reason
for the system partition to be 8GB is to provide the most efficient
arrangement, what specifically is made more efficient? Use of space, speed
of booting, general OS speed, etc?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

You want any IDE ATA hard drive. You do *not* want a SCSI or SATA hard
drive.

However, I would also recommend that you limit the size of your drive to
no more than 120GB, and that you partition the drive so that the OS
partition (where you will install Windows 98 to) is no larger than 8GB
(8192MB.) Here's how I usually partition a hard drive for Win98/98SE/ME
usage.

Primary Partition = 8192 MB, Active, OS partition.
Unless you are intending to add other OS installations and multi-boot,
make the rest of the drive an Extended partition, divvied up as follows:

4096MB--TEMP (You can make some settings adjustments to cause Windows to
use D:\TEMP as the TEMP and TMP environment. Also, you can tell IE to
put Temporary Internet Files here.)

The sizes for the rest of the partitions is a matter of determining what
you want to keep there and how much space you expect them to need. Be
generous in your calculations, and then add half again as much. (Free
space important.)

If you have *huge* suites of applications, like MS Office, Adobe Design
Suite, Visual Studio, AutoCAD, etc., then create an E:\ partition for
these. If it's *only* one of the above, like MS Office, then you can get
away with installing that to C:\.

Next partition should be for all personal files. You can change the My
Documents environment to this partition, for instance. And Outlook
Express storage folders, etc. The idea is to keep any personal documents
and user-created databases, etc., out of the system, applications or
TEMP partitions.

Additional partitions can be dedicated to multimedia files (music, pics,
video), special work spaces (like for a database project) and storage
for downloaded applications.

The reason for keeping the system partition to 8GB or less is so that
the cluster size will be 4KB. This provides the most efficient
arrangement for Win9x systems. Same goes for TEMP. Same goes, really,
for most small-file storage like letters, email storage, etc. However,
when it comes to large files (music, pics, multimedia, downloaded
programs, etc.) the small cluster size is not important, and partitions
larger than 8GB are just fine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this

question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be

much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions

like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a

hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810

chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc.

for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So

does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank

you.


  #4  
Old March 13th 05, 07:43 PM
Richard G. Harper
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If the partition size is under 8gb, the default cluster size is 4kb. See:

http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=192322

If the cluster size is too big you wind up wasting space with small files
and can have a performance hit if your system needs to use the swapfile
instead of physical memory.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
Gary -

Thank you very much. One thing I was wondering, when you say the reason
for the system partition to be 8GB is to provide the most efficient
arrangement, what specifically is made more efficient? Use of space,
speed
of booting, general OS speed, etc?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

You want any IDE ATA hard drive. You do *not* want a SCSI or SATA hard
drive.

However, I would also recommend that you limit the size of your drive to
no more than 120GB, and that you partition the drive so that the OS
partition (where you will install Windows 98 to) is no larger than 8GB
(8192MB.) Here's how I usually partition a hard drive for Win98/98SE/ME
usage.

Primary Partition = 8192 MB, Active, OS partition.
Unless you are intending to add other OS installations and multi-boot,
make the rest of the drive an Extended partition, divvied up as follows:

4096MB--TEMP (You can make some settings adjustments to cause Windows to
use D:\TEMP as the TEMP and TMP environment. Also, you can tell IE to
put Temporary Internet Files here.)

The sizes for the rest of the partitions is a matter of determining what
you want to keep there and how much space you expect them to need. Be
generous in your calculations, and then add half again as much. (Free
space important.)

If you have *huge* suites of applications, like MS Office, Adobe Design
Suite, Visual Studio, AutoCAD, etc., then create an E:\ partition for
these. If it's *only* one of the above, like MS Office, then you can get
away with installing that to C:\.

Next partition should be for all personal files. You can change the My
Documents environment to this partition, for instance. And Outlook
Express storage folders, etc. The idea is to keep any personal documents
and user-created databases, etc., out of the system, applications or
TEMP partitions.

Additional partitions can be dedicated to multimedia files (music, pics,
video), special work spaces (like for a database project) and storage
for downloaded applications.

The reason for keeping the system partition to 8GB or less is so that
the cluster size will be 4KB. This provides the most efficient
arrangement for Win9x systems. Same goes for TEMP. Same goes, really,
for most small-file storage like letters, email storage, etc. However,
when it comes to large files (music, pics, multimedia, downloaded
programs, etc.) the small cluster size is not important, and partitions
larger than 8GB are just fine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this

question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be

much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions

like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a

hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810

chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc.

for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So

does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank

you.




  #5  
Old March 13th 05, 07:53 PM
Yasoo
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Ah! I see. Thank you very much, Richard.

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If the partition size is under 8gb, the default cluster size is 4kb. See:

http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=192322

If the cluster size is too big you wind up wasting space with small files
and can have a performance hit if your system needs to use the swapfile
instead of physical memory.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
Gary -

Thank you very much. One thing I was wondering, when you say the reason
for the system partition to be 8GB is to provide the most efficient
arrangement, what specifically is made more efficient? Use of space,
speed
of booting, general OS speed, etc?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

You want any IDE ATA hard drive. You do *not* want a SCSI or SATA hard
drive.

However, I would also recommend that you limit the size of your drive to
no more than 120GB, and that you partition the drive so that the OS
partition (where you will install Windows 98 to) is no larger than 8GB
(8192MB.) Here's how I usually partition a hard drive for Win98/98SE/ME
usage.

Primary Partition = 8192 MB, Active, OS partition.
Unless you are intending to add other OS installations and multi-boot,
make the rest of the drive an Extended partition, divvied up as follows:

4096MB--TEMP (You can make some settings adjustments to cause Windows to
use D:\TEMP as the TEMP and TMP environment. Also, you can tell IE to
put Temporary Internet Files here.)

The sizes for the rest of the partitions is a matter of determining what
you want to keep there and how much space you expect them to need. Be
generous in your calculations, and then add half again as much. (Free
space important.)

If you have *huge* suites of applications, like MS Office, Adobe Design
Suite, Visual Studio, AutoCAD, etc., then create an E:\ partition for
these. If it's *only* one of the above, like MS Office, then you can get
away with installing that to C:\.

Next partition should be for all personal files. You can change the My
Documents environment to this partition, for instance. And Outlook
Express storage folders, etc. The idea is to keep any personal documents
and user-created databases, etc., out of the system, applications or
TEMP partitions.

Additional partitions can be dedicated to multimedia files (music, pics,
video), special work spaces (like for a database project) and storage
for downloaded applications.

The reason for keeping the system partition to 8GB or less is so that
the cluster size will be 4KB. This provides the most efficient
arrangement for Win9x systems. Same goes for TEMP. Same goes, really,
for most small-file storage like letters, email storage, etc. However,
when it comes to large files (music, pics, multimedia, downloaded
programs, etc.) the small cluster size is not important, and partitions
larger than 8GB are just fine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this
question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be
much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions
like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a
hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810
chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc.
for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So
does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank
you.





  #6  
Old March 14th 05, 12:27 AM
Richard G. Harper
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You're welcome.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
Ah! I see. Thank you very much, Richard.

"Richard G. Harper" wrote:

If the partition size is under 8gb, the default cluster size is 4kb.
See:

http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=192322

If the cluster size is too big you wind up wasting space with small files
and can have a performance hit if your system needs to use the swapfile
instead of physical memory.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm



"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
Gary -

Thank you very much. One thing I was wondering, when you say the
reason
for the system partition to be 8GB is to provide the most efficient
arrangement, what specifically is made more efficient? Use of space,
speed
of booting, general OS speed, etc?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

You want any IDE ATA hard drive. You do *not* want a SCSI or SATA hard
drive.

However, I would also recommend that you limit the size of your drive
to
no more than 120GB, and that you partition the drive so that the OS
partition (where you will install Windows 98 to) is no larger than 8GB
(8192MB.) Here's how I usually partition a hard drive for
Win98/98SE/ME
usage.

Primary Partition = 8192 MB, Active, OS partition.
Unless you are intending to add other OS installations and multi-boot,
make the rest of the drive an Extended partition, divvied up as
follows:

4096MB--TEMP (You can make some settings adjustments to cause Windows
to
use D:\TEMP as the TEMP and TMP environment. Also, you can tell IE to
put Temporary Internet Files here.)

The sizes for the rest of the partitions is a matter of determining
what
you want to keep there and how much space you expect them to need. Be
generous in your calculations, and then add half again as much. (Free
space important.)

If you have *huge* suites of applications, like MS Office, Adobe
Design
Suite, Visual Studio, AutoCAD, etc., then create an E:\ partition for
these. If it's *only* one of the above, like MS Office, then you can
get
away with installing that to C:\.

Next partition should be for all personal files. You can change the My
Documents environment to this partition, for instance. And Outlook
Express storage folders, etc. The idea is to keep any personal
documents
and user-created databases, etc., out of the system, applications or
TEMP partitions.

Additional partitions can be dedicated to multimedia files (music,
pics,
video), special work spaces (like for a database project) and storage
for downloaded applications.

The reason for keeping the system partition to 8GB or less is so that
the cluster size will be 4KB. This provides the most efficient
arrangement for Win9x systems. Same goes for TEMP. Same goes, really,
for most small-file storage like letters, email storage, etc. However,
when it comes to large files (music, pics, multimedia, downloaded
programs, etc.) the small cluster size is not important, and
partitions
larger than 8GB are just fine.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this
question, but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd
be
much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask
questions
like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a
hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a
HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810
chipset (on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc.
for the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get).
So
does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank
you.







  #7  
Old March 14th 05, 02:59 PM
Lil' Dave
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The ATA spec of 133 says it will work with any speed ATA currently made.
The chipset, Intel 810, has no real bearing. ATA is, in effect, IDE. So,
you need an ide hard drive.
The HD capacity limitation is limited by the bios capability And, I agree
with Gary's recommendation to stick with something 120GB or less capacity
and partition size limit for the OS installation.
However, the HP has a restoration CD, does it not for the Win98 install? If
so, this may direct the partition size during the installation process. If
it just restores the files, it does not, and a partition and format is
needed first.
"Yasoo" wrote in message
...
I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to ask this question,

but
it's where I find the most help. If you don't mind answering, I'd be

much
abliged, or, could you please tell me where I can go to ask questions like
this?

It involves Windows 98 because that's the OS, but it's more of a hardware
question. I need to replace the C: drive and reinstall Win 98 on a HP
Pavilion 6535. All the HP specs say is that it has an Intel 810 chipset

(on
all my other motherboards, the specs tell me Ultra ATA 100/133, etc. for

the
IDE interface - so I always know what kind of hard drive to get). So does
anyone know how to determine what kind of hard drive to get? Thank you.



 




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