XP to Win98 network problem

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:32:37 -0500, wrote:
I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

I strongly recommend NOT installing NetBEUI (NetBios Extended User
Interface) in XP:

1. It's an unsupported protocol. Microsoft hasn't tested it and
doesn't guarantee that it will work.

2. All networking functions in Windows 98 and XP work fine using
TCP/IP.

3. Using more than one protocol on a network can make it function
unreliably, especially when XP is involved.
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both directions.

I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.

John

A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both directions.

I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.

John

A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:53:32 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:

Done it.

Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!

They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.


That's because NetBEUI is but tcp/ip isn't configured properly (yet).

If tcp/ip is configured properly you won't need NetBEUI. I would
advise you to follow the recommendations of Steve Winograd and don't
use it.


Jim.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:53:32 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:

Done it.

Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!

They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.


That's because NetBEUI is but tcp/ip isn't configured properly (yet).

If tcp/ip is configured properly you won't need NetBEUI. I would
advise you to follow the recommendations of Steve Winograd and don't
use it.


Jim.

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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the
following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much
better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in
XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They
are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both
directions.

I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.

John

A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Thanks for the help.


I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:56:16 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the
following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Installing the protocol 'Netbuie' in XP will make things go much
better.
It's not available by default but is on the XP CD. Google 'netbuie in
XP'
and you'll find the two files you need and install instructions. They
are
in the VALUEADD folder.

Dick

Thanks. Adding NETBEUI allows file and printer sharing in both
directions.

I'm still having problems sharing the internet connection.

John

A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Thanks for the help.


I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's
firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be:

http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html

There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on
their lists as well.


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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
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| On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
| wrote:
| Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
| modem connection with another computer on the local network using
| Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
| host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
| computer.
|
| I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:
|
| ICS Installation [Win98SE]
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm
|
| Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
|
| Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.
|
| With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;
|
| The win98 can share files and access the internet.
| The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
| ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
| ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
| The xp can't share the internet.
|
| If I follow the instructions
| http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it
installs
| Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel
creates
| a floppy disk and requires me to restart.
|
| The win98 can then no longer access the internet.
|
| Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
| I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing
the
| connection.
|
| John
|
| The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection
| Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to
| uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the
| protection you need.
|
| Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have
| a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a
| similar third-party program.
| --
| Best Wishes,
| Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
|
| Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
| for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
| addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
|
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