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Thanks Steve! Because the 2000 machine was found very quickly by the XP
machine, I assumed the same would be true between the XP and 98 machine. I didn't think to manually try and find the 98 machine with the //[machine name] syntax. Also, I am pretty certain that the 98 machine has TCP/IP and NetBEUI protocals enabled. While on this subject, do you mean that ONLY TCP/IP should be enabled on ALL computers in the network (5)? Finally, I have no firewalls on any individual machine. They are only behind the built-in firewall of the router. Thanks! "Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote: In article , "Keith" wrote: I have read through several posts and some are similar to my question, but not exactly. I have 2 computers one with Windows XP and the other is a dual boot with Windows 2000 Pro and 98 SE. I set up a wirless PCI card in the dual boot computer and the XP machine is hard wired to the router. I first booted into Windows 2000 and setup the card. Once done, I went to network neighborhood and I could see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and I could see the 2000 Pro system. So, that was a good thing! After, I rebooted into 98SE. I set up the card the same way and connected to the network sucessfully. I went to Network Neighborhood, but could not see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and could not see the 98SE. So, that was not a good thing! Is there something in 98 that I must set that is not necessary to do in 2000? Is it because 98 cannot see NTFS file systems, and that is why 98 cannot see XP? But, if that were the case XP should still be able to see 98. Thanks! The file system is irrelevant. All versions of Windows can read/write their own disks and make them available to all other versions over the network. Is there a firewall program (ZoneAlarm, Norton Internet Security, PCCillin, etc) on the Windows 98 SE system? If so, make sure that it's configured to allow access by other computers on the network. Make sure that the Windows 98 SE system has TCP/IP as the only installed network protocol. Go to Control Panel | Network and remove IPX/SPX and NetBEUI if they're installed. Using more than one protocol, on even one computer, can prevent network browsing from working properly, especially when XP is involved. There's a lot of misinformation about this in news groups and on the Internet. It can take several minutes after a computer connects to the network before it can see other computer and be seen in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places. To access another computer directly during that time, type the other computer's name in the Start | Run box in this format: \\computer -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine.
Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! "Keith" wrote: I have read through several posts and some are similar to my question, but not exactly. I have 2 computers one with Windows XP and the other is a dual boot with Windows 2000 Pro and 98 SE. I set up a wirless PCI card in the dual boot computer and the XP machine is hard wired to the router. I first booted into Windows 2000 and setup the card. Once done, I went to network neighborhood and I could see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and I could see the 2000 Pro system. So, that was a good thing! After, I rebooted into 98SE. I set up the card the same way and connected to the network sucessfully. I went to Network Neighborhood, but could not see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and could not see the 98SE. So, that was not a good thing! Is there something in 98 that I must set that is not necessary to do in 2000? Is it because 98 cannot see NTFS file systems, and that is why 98 cannot see XP? But, if that were the case XP should still be able to see 98. Thanks! |
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Network with Windows XP and 2000 Pro
Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine.
Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! "Keith" wrote: I have read through several posts and some are similar to my question, but not exactly. I have 2 computers one with Windows XP and the other is a dual boot with Windows 2000 Pro and 98 SE. I set up a wirless PCI card in the dual boot computer and the XP machine is hard wired to the router. I first booted into Windows 2000 and setup the card. Once done, I went to network neighborhood and I could see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and I could see the 2000 Pro system. So, that was a good thing! After, I rebooted into 98SE. I set up the card the same way and connected to the network sucessfully. I went to Network Neighborhood, but could not see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and could not see the 98SE. So, that was not a good thing! Is there something in 98 that I must set that is not necessary to do in 2000? Is it because 98 cannot see NTFS file systems, and that is why 98 cannot see XP? But, if that were the case XP should still be able to see 98. Thanks! |
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Network with Windows XP and 2000 Pro
Do you have a firewall installed on the any of thePC's? Like Norton Internet
Security, Zone Alarm or Zero Knowledge Freedom? If you'd like to work this through one-on-one, you are welcome to email me and I can step you through it. "Keith" wrote in message ... Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine. Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! "Keith" wrote: I have read through several posts and some are similar to my question, but not exactly. I have 2 computers one with Windows XP and the other is a dual boot with Windows 2000 Pro and 98 SE. I set up a wirless PCI card in the dual boot computer and the XP machine is hard wired to the router. I first booted into Windows 2000 and setup the card. Once done, I went to network neighborhood and I could see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and I could see the 2000 Pro system. So, that was a good thing! After, I rebooted into 98SE. I set up the card the same way and connected to the network sucessfully. I went to Network Neighborhood, but could not see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and could not see the 98SE. So, that was not a good thing! Is there something in 98 that I must set that is not necessary to do in 2000? Is it because 98 cannot see NTFS file systems, and that is why 98 cannot see XP? But, if that were the case XP should still be able to see 98. Thanks! |
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"Keith" wrote: Thanks Steve! Because the 2000 machine was found very quickly by the XP machine, I assumed the same would be true between the XP and 98 machine. I didn't think to manually try and find the 98 machine with the //[machine name] syntax. Also, I am pretty certain that the 98 machine has TCP/IP and NetBEUI protocals enabled. While on this subject, do you mean that ONLY TCP/IP should be enabled on ALL computers in the network (5)? Finally, I have no firewalls on any individual machine. They are only behind the built-in firewall of the router. Thanks! You're welcome, Keith. Yes, only TCP/IP should be enabled on ALL computers on the network. All network functions are available using TCP/IP. Installing a second protocol, on even one computer, can make network browsing unreliable, especially when XP is involved. Nothing in Windows networking has ever required NetBEUI. NetBEUI is an unsupported protocol in Windows XP. That means that Microsoft recommends not using it and won't give technical support on NetBEUI problems. Suggestions that it's necessary to add IPX/SPX in order to "reset" a network connection are erroneous and often counter-productive. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Network with Windows XP and 2000 Pro
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"Keith" wrote: Thanks Steve! Because the 2000 machine was found very quickly by the XP machine, I assumed the same would be true between the XP and 98 machine. I didn't think to manually try and find the 98 machine with the //[machine name] syntax. Also, I am pretty certain that the 98 machine has TCP/IP and NetBEUI protocals enabled. While on this subject, do you mean that ONLY TCP/IP should be enabled on ALL computers in the network (5)? Finally, I have no firewalls on any individual machine. They are only behind the built-in firewall of the router. Thanks! You're welcome, Keith. Yes, only TCP/IP should be enabled on ALL computers on the network. All network functions are available using TCP/IP. Installing a second protocol, on even one computer, can make network browsing unreliable, especially when XP is involved. Nothing in Windows networking has ever required NetBEUI. NetBEUI is an unsupported protocol in Windows XP. That means that Microsoft recommends not using it and won't give technical support on NetBEUI problems. Suggestions that it's necessary to add IPX/SPX in order to "reset" a network connection are erroneous and often counter-productive. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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"Keith" wrote: Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine. Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all operating systems. I've written a web page with details: Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a peer-to-peer network, for NetBIOS name resolution. If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key: HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters and delete these values if they're present: NodeType DhcpNodeType Reboot, then try network access again. If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for "Mixed". For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles: Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177 TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053 -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Network with Windows XP and 2000 Pro
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"Keith" wrote: Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine. Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all operating systems. I've written a web page with details: Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a peer-to-peer network, for NetBIOS name resolution. If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key: HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters and delete these values if they're present: NodeType DhcpNodeType Reboot, then try network access again. If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for "Mixed". For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles: Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177 TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053 -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Thanks Carey and Steve! I will try your suggestions as soon as I get home. I
have no doubt we will figure this thing out. In the mean time, let me give you guys an overview of what I have going on so you can get an idea of what I'm doing. I have created a test lab at my house in order to learn more about how all these things work. I run a small business fixing computers. I want to learn more about networking, so I set up this lab just to figure out problems like I'm having now. That way if I should run into a problem like this on a job, I will know what to do. Here is a run down of the lab: TestLab1 computer is dual boot with Windows 98SE and Windows 200 Pro. Each OS is named TestLab1-98 and TestLab1-2K on the network and belongs to a workgroup named TestLab. TestLab2 computer is not up and running yet. I am planning to install FreeBSD and use Samba to create primary domain controller. The reason for this is that I have a project to do in the next several months for a church with 8 computers. They want some sort of PDC network, but don't have much money to spend. TestLab3 computer is dual boot with Windows XP Pro and Windows NT 4.0. Each OS is named TestLab3-XP and TestLab3-NT on the network and belongs to the workgroup TestLab. TestLab4 computer is a dual boot with Windows ME and Ubuntu Linux. Each OS is named TestLab4-ME and TestLab4-UL on the network and belong to the work group TestLab. TestLab2, 3 and 4 are wired to a Belkin basestation with 4 wired ports. TestLab1 has the NetGear wireless PCI adapter that also connects the Belkin basestation. I have a Sony laptop that is connected to my HomeNetwork. My HomeNetwork uses a Microsoft wirless basestation that shares cable internet access. The laptop has a Microsoft PC Card wirless adapter. I connect a crossover cable from the internal ethernet card in the laptop to the WAN port of the Belkin router. I set up ICS on the laptop and it distributes the internet to my TestLab from my HomeNetwork. Also, sorry this is so long, here are another couple of things I did last night. I shutdown TestLab3-XP and rebooted into TestLab3-NT. TestLab3-NT was not able to see TestLab1-98, but was able to see TestLab1-2K when I rebooted into that. Likewise, TestLab4-UL was able to see TestLab3-XP, TestLab3-NT and TestLab1-2K in any combination, but was never able to see TestLab1-98. I have not tried TestLab4-ME yet, but am curious to see what happens since it is most like Windows 98. The only consistant thing I have found so far is the Windows 98 is not communicating. But, the fact that I can manually connect to 98 from the XP (//TestLab1-98/c) confuses things for me. To make it worse, whe I go to the router configuration and look at the DHCP client list, TestLab1-98 is there. 98 must be on the network, but cannot see or be seen and cannot access the internet or the router configuration. Thanks! "Keith" wrote: Ok, here is the latest. I am currently posting from the Windows XP machine. Therfore, obviously, I can get on the network which shares internet access. First I checked all the suggestions from Steve. Everything was as it should be, but still no Win 98 computer in Network Places. I went to "Add Network PLace" and typed in \\testlab1-98 (the computer's name) and it found it! I'm not sure why it didn't find it automatically, but I can now access the 98 computer from the XP computer. Second, I went to the 98 computer and checked the Network Neighborhood. I opened the Entire Network and there was no XP computer. I went to Run and tried to connect manually, but it wouldn't work that way either. I then did steps 4 and 5 at Carey's website (www.careyholzman.com/netfixes.htm). All the registry entries and everything were as they should be, so I didn't change much. After doing those things, still no XP computer. So, I tried to see if I could access the internet and that didn't work. I rebooted into Windows 2000 and was able to see the XP computer and get on the internet. So, I figured it was a Windows 98 problem or maybe the wirless adapter drivers weren't set up correctly in Windows 98. I checked the device manager and the network adapter was working fine and recieving a signal. I looked at the NetGear website and searched for the model number, WG311v2, and didn't find any issued with Windows 98. The other fishy thing is that I cannot access my router configuration screen when I type 192.168.2.1 in Iternet Explorer. I can in every other OS, just not when I'm in 98. I'm trying hard to figure it out myself, but I don't know what to do next. Thanks! "Keith" wrote: I have read through several posts and some are similar to my question, but not exactly. I have 2 computers one with Windows XP and the other is a dual boot with Windows 2000 Pro and 98 SE. I set up a wirless PCI card in the dual boot computer and the XP machine is hard wired to the router. I first booted into Windows 2000 and setup the card. Once done, I went to network neighborhood and I could see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and I could see the 2000 Pro system. So, that was a good thing! After, I rebooted into 98SE. I set up the card the same way and connected to the network sucessfully. I went to Network Neighborhood, but could not see the XP machine. I went to the XP machine and could not see the 98SE. So, that was not a good thing! Is there something in 98 that I must set that is not necessary to do in 2000? Is it because 98 cannot see NTFS file systems, and that is why 98 cannot see XP? But, if that were the case XP should still be able to see 98. Thanks! |
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