XP to Win98 network problem

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:14:53 -0400, John John
wrote:

Everything doesn't run slow as a result of the firewall that I use and
malware cannot easily spoof themselves as other things because the
firewall that I use does MD5 signatures/hash of the allowed
applications, with MD5 signature checks the firewall even catches valid
processes when they are updated and asks if you want to allow it
through. Malware might get through with code injection but firewall
technology is not at a standstill, it too evolves and the better
firewalls can detect various injection methods, like anything else with
virus and malware it is a constant to keep up with these pests but good
firewalls do keep up with newer methods used by malware.

If you can use your installed web browser, so can a spuriously running
process. It doesn't have to instigate communication using its own
identity when it can use yours.


To paraphrase the sayings of one of the MVP's sometime ago, "In the
Windows firewall Microsoft designed a shirt without sleeves. When the
customers told Microsoft that they wanted a shirt with sleeves Microsoft
embarked on a crusade to tell people that sleeve were no good!"

Wow! I find myself agreeing with Microsoft. That doesn't happen very
often.


Jim.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 03:24:32 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
wrote:

So your take on this is that just an incoming firewall is needed with no
Anti-Virus and Anti-SpyWare because they take up valuable resources.


Oh! I didn't realise I thought that.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 03:24:32 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
wrote:

So your take on this is that just an incoming firewall is needed with no
Anti-Virus and Anti-SpyWare because they take up valuable resources.


Oh! I didn't realise I thought that.

James Egan wrote:

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:14:53 -0400, John John
wrote:


Everything doesn't run slow as a result of the firewall that I use and
malware cannot easily spoof themselves as other things because the
firewall that I use does MD5 signatures/hash of the allowed
applications, with MD5 signature checks the firewall even catches valid
processes when they are updated and asks if you want to allow it
through. Malware might get through with code injection but firewall
technology is not at a standstill, it too evolves and the better
firewalls can detect various injection methods, like anything else with
virus and malware it is a constant to keep up with these pests but good
firewalls do keep up with newer methods used by malware.


If you can use your installed web browser, so can a spuriously running
process. It doesn't have to instigate communication using its own
identity when it can use yours.

Good firewalls can detect that, the claim that you guys make is that it
absolutely cannot be detected isn't true.


To paraphrase the sayings of one of the MVP's sometime ago, "In the
Windows firewall Microsoft designed a shirt without sleeves. When the
customers told Microsoft that they wanted a shirt with sleeves Microsoft
embarked on a crusade to tell people that sleeve were no good!"


Wow! I find myself agreeing with Microsoft. That doesn't happen very
often.

Then we know where you are coming from, we shall agree to disagree.
Firewall egress filtereing isn't perfect, but in computer security
nothing is. AV and anti-spyware programs don't catch all pests, should
we also stop using them?

John

James Egan wrote:

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:14:53 -0400, John John
wrote:


Everything doesn't run slow as a result of the firewall that I use and
malware cannot easily spoof themselves as other things because the
firewall that I use does MD5 signatures/hash of the allowed
applications, with MD5 signature checks the firewall even catches valid
processes when they are updated and asks if you want to allow it
through. Malware might get through with code injection but firewall
technology is not at a standstill, it too evolves and the better
firewalls can detect various injection methods, like anything else with
virus and malware it is a constant to keep up with these pests but good
firewalls do keep up with newer methods used by malware.


If you can use your installed web browser, so can a spuriously running
process. It doesn't have to instigate communication using its own
identity when it can use yours.

Good firewalls can detect that, the claim that you guys make is that it
absolutely cannot be detected isn't true.


To paraphrase the sayings of one of the MVP's sometime ago, "In the
Windows firewall Microsoft designed a shirt without sleeves. When the
customers told Microsoft that they wanted a shirt with sleeves Microsoft
embarked on a crusade to tell people that sleeve were no good!"


Wow! I find myself agreeing with Microsoft. That doesn't happen very
often.

Then we know where you are coming from, we shall agree to disagree.
Firewall egress filtereing isn't perfect, but in computer security
nothing is. AV and anti-spyware programs don't catch all pests, should
we also stop using them?

John

"Susan" wrote in message
...

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the
original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98
dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)


Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.


With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it
installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel
creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John



I have 8 pcs networked together right now. A real mish mash of 98se, XP-Home
& Pro.

I have only dialup available in my rural area.

I have one of the 98se boxes running a simple little proxy server found on
AnalogX's web site (google the name). On the boxes I want to access the
internet thru this proxy server I have no connection except for the Lan
connection set to the approriate ip and port. It has all worked flawlessly
for years now.

I had a reason to test could I change the proxy server to the XP Pro machine
as I installed a second nic in it for hooking up satalitte high speed
access. Figured the XP box was easier install than two nics under 98SE.
(newer pc also). The proxy server doesn't seem to want to work properly even
though I've done what I thought right for firewall, open ports etc. I've
bought a router to add to system instead and just connected the existing
ethernet switch to it. Alls working just waiting now for dish installer.

"Susan" wrote in message
...

"Steve Winograd" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan"
wrote:
A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be
unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both
computers and configuring TCP/IP properly.

A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the
original
problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow
File and Printer Sharing on the local area network.

Thanks for the help.

I removed all NETBEUI protocols.
ZoneAlarm was blocking access.
Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work.
Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones)
allows it to work with High and Medium settings.

I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98
dial-up
modem.

Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host
mail.btinternet.com could not be found...."

John

You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings.

Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up
modem connection with another computer on the local network using
Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the
host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client
computer.

I've written some web pages showing how to set it up:

ICS Installation [Win98SE]
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm

Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)


Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven.


With just the TCP/IP protocol installed;

The win98 can share files and access the internet.
The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into
ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the
ethernet from internet to trusted zone.
The xp can't share the internet.

If I follow the instructions
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it
installs
Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel
creates
a floppy disk and requires me to restart.

The win98 can then no longer access the internet.

Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it?
I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the
connection.

John



I have 8 pcs networked together right now. A real mish mash of 98se, XP-Home
& Pro.

I have only dialup available in my rural area.

I have one of the 98se boxes running a simple little proxy server found on
AnalogX's web site (google the name). On the boxes I want to access the
internet thru this proxy server I have no connection except for the Lan
connection set to the approriate ip and port. It has all worked flawlessly
for years now.

I had a reason to test could I change the proxy server to the XP Pro machine
as I installed a second nic in it for hooking up satalitte high speed
access. Figured the XP box was easier install than two nics under 98SE.
(newer pc also). The proxy server doesn't seem to want to work properly even
though I've done what I thought right for firewall, open ports etc. I've
bought a router to add to system instead and just connected the existing
ethernet switch to it. Alls working just waiting now for dish installer.

hey there is no problem in connection the net on the win 98 and win xp. i
have also the same position in my own location i have 8 pcs out of 2 are on
win98 and one is win 2000 and others are on the win xp.

you just have to do is to configure through the tcp/ip settings in the lan
card settings.
in that you have to provide the ip address on the win 98 pc and and then you
have to provide the subnet mask.
after that provide the gatway that allows you to share the net on the win 98
pc and if your have configured for the DNS settings then you also have to
provide for the DNS details on the system on which you whant to run the
internet sharing.

then you must check that where you were trying to access the internet
connection:
is it a dialup connection
Then you have to do is that share that internet connection and it will set
the system on which there is internet conncetion installed, and it will make
the ip address of your pc to 192.168.0.1. this ip address is provided as the
Default Gateway on win 98 pc so that that win98 access the internet from here.

If you are using through Network Switch or directly through Modem then there
is little bit different setting.

i have told you about the dial up setting of broad band which need
authentication.

i hope this information will resolve your problem or in you need any othe
clarification do tell me.
--
Regards,
Vijesh Bhola
Punjab, India.


"Susan" wrote:


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Susan" wrote in message
...

I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
setup, done most easily by
1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
/ Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
2. Appropriate hardware connection.
3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
an error message that installation could not be completed.)

Repost back here with results.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


1. I assume the win98 is correctly set up since connecting to the old win98
allows file/printer sharing in both directions.
The 2 computers are named "sues" and "zeus" and both are in "WORKGROUP".

2. I assume the hardware is ok since the win98 can share the xp files.

3. I had already run the Network Wizard on th xp/ created the floppy;

4. and run it on the win98.

------------------
Done it.

Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!

They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.

John

hey there is no problem in connection the net on the win 98 and win xp. i
have also the same position in my own location i have 8 pcs out of 2 are on
win98 and one is win 2000 and others are on the win xp.

you just have to do is to configure through the tcp/ip settings in the lan
card settings.
in that you have to provide the ip address on the win 98 pc and and then you
have to provide the subnet mask.
after that provide the gatway that allows you to share the net on the win 98
pc and if your have configured for the DNS settings then you also have to
provide for the DNS details on the system on which you whant to run the
internet sharing.

then you must check that where you were trying to access the internet
connection:
is it a dialup connection
Then you have to do is that share that internet connection and it will set
the system on which there is internet conncetion installed, and it will make
the ip address of your pc to 192.168.0.1. this ip address is provided as the
Default Gateway on win 98 pc so that that win98 access the internet from here.

If you are using through Network Switch or directly through Modem then there
is little bit different setting.

i have told you about the dial up setting of broad band which need
authentication.

i hope this information will resolve your problem or in you need any othe
clarification do tell me.
--
Regards,
Vijesh Bhola
Punjab, India.


"Susan" wrote:


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Susan" wrote in message
...

I had two win98 computers connected via a crossover cable with no
problems.
I've just replaced one win98 computer with an XP.
Now the win98 can access the XP ok.
However the XP sees the win98 but in trying to access it the following
message occurs.

"\\win98 is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this
network resource. Contact the administrator ..."

Your hardware network of two Win98 PCs connected
via crossover cable needed no software setup. Your
new network of XP and Win98 PC requires conventional
setup, done most easily by
1. On the Win98 PC, enable sharing via / Control Panel
/ Network. You should also prearrange that each PC
has a unique name but specify the same "workgroup."
2. Appropriate hardware connection.
3. On the WinXP PC, run the Network Wizard. As the
last function, create a NETSETUP floppy.
4. With the system CD handy in case needed, run NETSETUP
on the Win98 PC. This usually works OK (even if it generates
an error message that installation could not be completed.)

Repost back here with results.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


1. I assume the win98 is correctly set up since connecting to the old win98
allows file/printer sharing in both directions.
The 2 computers are named "sues" and "zeus" and both are in "WORKGROUP".

2. I assume the hardware is ok since the win98 can share the xp files.

3. I had already run the Network Wizard on th xp/ created the floppy;

4. and run it on the win98.

------------------
Done it.

Added NETBEUI protocol and it now works. (NETBEUI had to be installed on
both win98 computers for those to network.) It seems a bit slow!

They now share files and printers but not the internet connection.

John