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want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk
from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about it. Thanks |
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"rc" rc@home wrote in message
... want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about First read with care http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html Remember the XP PC may have been formatted NTFS which Win98 cannot use. Before starting go to www.bootdisk.com to download the right startup floppy for your OS (as named on the CD.) This will include FDISK which will allow you to repartition the hard drive and FORMAT it before use. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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rc wrote:
want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about it. Thanks I would make sure are your drivers will support 98 or 98SE and also realize that it may be difficult to get newer hardware for 98(98SE) especially since the end of support for 98, 98SE and ME which ended on July 11, 2006. In addition, make sure your machine has a firewall before using the Internet. A good hardware firewall such as one built into a router is a good choice. Later on you can install anti-spyware programs and an anti-virus program to help protect your computer. Finally, remember that you need Internet Explorer 6 sp1 in order to access Windows Update for all the updates to this operating system. Congratulations, on your good decision and may your experience be as rewarding as mine has been so far with this operating system. (98SE in my case) |
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Your post is very hard to understand due to the syntax of your sentences, but what I
get from it is that you have a computer that has or had Win98 on it, you installed XP (you don't say if it is an upgrade or installed as a dual boot), and that you are not going to activate XP, and want to put 98 on it again. Is that correct? If so, just use a boot disk to fdisk and format, then do a fresh install of 98 from your 98 CD. You can't use the XP installation once the time period is up and it asks for activation anyway. Why couldn't you make a 98 startup disk? You can make one on any Win98 computer through Control Panel Add\Remove Programs StartUp Disk tab. You can make a Win98 startup disk in any computer if you have a retail Win98 CD, by opening the \tools\mtsutil\fat32ebd folder on the CD and double-clicking fat32ebd.exe You can also get a bootdisk maker program for Win98 from he http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "rc" rc@home wrote in message ... want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about it. Thanks |
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IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it:
BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS techniques;;;; DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing so, AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!! DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS. This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and other factors. Put the disk back into the XP machine (if pulled from a different machine), Note the below for attempting complete removal.. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303661/en-us 303661 - How to uninstall Windows XP and revert to a previous operating system http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303160/ 303160 - Uninstall Not Available Error Message When You Upgrade to Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308233/ 308233 - How to start the Windows XP uninstallation process from a command prompt http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312569/ 312569- How to manually start the removal process to remove Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314052/ 314052 - How to manually remove Windows XP and then restore Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Millennium Edition http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/ 307654 - How to install and use the Recovery Console in Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/305595/ 305595 - How To Create a Boot Disk for an NTFS or FAT Partition in Windows XP KB119467 Q103049 KB122221 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...c28621675.mspx The above discusses certain variables, tools, and other which might be of use for any NT5 - XP NTFS hard disk problems. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/reskits/webresources NOTE: even using these Microsoft techniques; NT5 - XP NTFS may not be fully removed from the hard drive. Microsoft has numerous legal disclaimers associated with the use of this file system, warning that it may be unremovable or make the disk unusable.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "rc" rc@home wrote in message ... | want to reinstall windows 98 on computer currently running xp (used disk | from my other computer....not going to activate it. needed it to boot up | other computer.....couldn't make start up disk for win 98. ) Now that | computer has o/s want to put win98 on it. Whats the best way to go about | it. Thanks | | |
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed: Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the new file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset extended areas, and more than I will go into here... I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do you have any specific URLs on this subject? There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard drives.. do your research BEFORE responding.... MEB AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS 0,0,1, what is there to stop it? Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage newsgroup? "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message .. . | On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not | put finger to keyboard and composed: | | IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it: | | BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS | techniques;;;; | | DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing so, | AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!! | | DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS. | This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables | associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and | compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system | creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and | other factors. | | I would rewrite the MBR using ... | | fdisk /mbr | | ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard | DOS fdisk procedures. | | I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has | made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the | disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue. | | - Franc Zabkar - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message ... On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not put finger to keyboard and composed: Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the new file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset extended areas, and more than I will go into here... I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do you have any specific URLs on this subject? There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard drives.. do your research BEFORE responding.... MEB AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS 0,0,1, what is there to stop it? Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage newsgroup? "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message . .. | On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not | put finger to keyboard and composed: | | IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it: | | BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS | techniques;;;; | | DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing so, | AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!! | | DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS. | This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables | associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and | compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system | creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and | other factors. | | I would rewrite the MBR using ... | | fdisk /mbr | | ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard | DOS fdisk procedures. | | I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has | made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the | disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue. | | - Franc Zabkar - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. interesting.. I've used fdisk to remove "non-dos" partitions with no problems (XP/NT/2000) ..... |
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Not at all, make sure you include that they should first use a capable (not
limited by "bad sectors", CHS limits, etc., e.g.. forensic style) disk hex editor to check any supposed NT5 - XP hard disk which has been (supposedly) successfully re-used/re-fdisked/re-formatted via old DOS techniques or NT4 and below techniques... However, as I will be producing my test results via numerous web pages: regarding a dozen or so tools, techniques, and other related to this very topic; I will not participate.. I do NOT, however, retract my warning/cautionary notice. I suggest you follow those Microsoft links I supplied, then ask yourself this question: Why would Microsoft NOT suggest using the former techniques on NT5 - XP NTFS disk if they were capable of use.. Also note that Win2000 techniques are NOT necessarily the same as the NT5 - XP techniques, server 2003, etc.. If you happen to have a former NT5 - XP NTFS disk available, use a good recovery program, or "sdelete" from sysinternals, to check the drive. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message ... | On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:56:47 -0400, "MEB" meb@not | put finger to keyboard and composed: | | Then you would destroy your hard disk... has no effect whatsoever on the new | file system /compressed and encrypted areas of the hard disk / reset | extended areas, and more than I will go into here... | | I can't find any online reference that supports your views. Everything | I read about encryption, for example, suggests that it is a high level | thing and that it does not depend on the OS or filesystem. However, I | notice that Seagate will soon be releasing HDs that can do encryption | on the fly at the hardware level but that's about all I can find. Do | you have any specific URLs on this subject? | | There will be a web page shortly concerning these MISHANDLED hard drives.. | do your research BEFORE responding.... | | MEB | | AFAICT, all you need to do to reclaim an entire drive is to rewrite | the very first sector. How can any inactive disk resident data | structure prevent DOS from doing this? If DOS wants to write to CHS | 0,0,1, what is there to stop it? | | Would you be offended if I followed up your original post to a storage | newsgroup? | | "Franc Zabkar" wrote in message | .. . | | On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:05:29 -0400, "MEB" meb@not | | put finger to keyboard and composed: | | | | IF the disk had NT5/XP NTFS used on it: | | | | BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO REMOVE XP NTFS with a DOS program or using ANY DOS | | techniques;;;; | | | | DON'T!!!! YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL unless you are an expert at doing | so, | | AND have the proper tools for disk manipulation and recovery!!! | | | | DO NOT USE OLD DOS TECHNIQUES TO ATTEMPT REMOVAL OF NT5/XP NTFS. | | This information is faulty and does not fully address the variables | | associated with the NT5 - XP NTFS file system: it's encryption and | | compression, hidden directories/folders, partitions (which the system | | creates automatically) within partitions, "on the fly" CHS changes, and | | other factors. | | | | I would rewrite the MBR using ... | | | | fdisk /mbr | | | | ... and then delete and recreate the partition table using standard | | DOS fdisk procedures. | | | | I can't see any problem with this, unless the supplier of the PC has | | made some peculiar changes to the BIOS which render sections of the | | disc invisible. But that wouldn't be an NTFS issue. | | | | - Franc Zabkar | | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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