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I had planned to tell you about something great
Much of this post is written for a win98 audience, but not all of it.
I had planned to tell you about something great, about software for win98 that would soon disappear, so you should get it now. But now I'm not sure what to say. I'm talking about free photo arranging and editing software. When developing film, I've been getting a copy put on CD, and this would also apply to digital camera images. I've been getting one roll done at as many different processors as possible. Kodak, Ritz Camera (is that only around here?), Walmart, and any place else that seems to use a different processor, because each processor has its own software on the CD. More about the others later, but the Walmart CD, processing by Fujica, seemed to be maybe the best and certainly the one with the most interesting story. It has a viewer on the CD which worked fine, and had in itself the abiltiy to email photos, complete with photo compression, by a factor of 10, to make uploading and downloading go more quickly**. This is something my email program alone can't do. And I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to be able to burn photos to a CD too, and while one could do that with Nero etc. I think this will turn out to be better integrated with the viewer. I can send the software to anywho wants, but it's probably not necessary as you will see below. When closing the viewer, it then as promised gives one the opportunity to install an editor, called the Photo Manager, which it says has the ability to get out red eye, to adjust contrast, brigntess, color, and something else. Normally I wouldn't bother, but there are occasional pictures that really could use improvement, and if it works well and is easy, maybe even more could. So I do that and the software install gets all the way to the copy files step, and when it is almost done, it stops, the progress bar goes backwards, and it says it couldn't install, it has not left anything in my system (except it turns out 3 files in the temp directory, but that's not much) and to try again. Trying again and again gives the same problem. When the progress bar reverses, in small print very quickly it displays "rolling back actions"! So I called the Walmart Photo Customer service, and they (the woman I talked to asked someone else) didn't know the answers, knew about printing pictures for customers but not about software. So I wrote the email address given, and I think a computer read the email and because I had made one passing reference to the Walmart Photo Center, wrote back about that only. So I wrote again, spelling it Foto Sentre, and this time I got an email that addressed the Photo Manager. But what did it say? "We received your email and we no longer use the photo manager, you can know upload your pictures straight from our site." The misspelling of "now" makes it seem that the email was written by a real person, but otoh, I knew a cook in the WWII army who said that for every 1000 powdered eggs, they would throw in one real egg shell to make the soldiers think they were getting real eggs. I wouldn't put it past corporations to put mistakes in computer-generated letters to make them seem real (although the first email I got had no such errors, and it was even more likely to be computer-generated. But anyhow, they "no longer use the photo manager"!!! This despite the fact that they include the software, separately from the viewer, on the CD I got only 8 days earlier, and they have a win2000/XP version available for download on the Walmart photo webpage!!! It sounds like she's flat out lying to me, but in case she wasn't, I didn't reply to her on this because fore the people with win2000/XP, I want the software to be still available. What they want me to do is to upload any picture I take to their wegsite and to edit them there. A) Sometimes I go to my parents and that's a great opportunity to do things I don't have time to do at home, but they only have dial-up. My laptop isn't even set up for dial-up and it it were, I don't want to spend hours downnloading and uploading so that I can edit from the Walmart server. B) Sometiems I go camping at various places in the woods, or I spend a day at the beach. No internet there at all, but plenty of time to edit pictures on my laptop. It is a self-centered power-grab for Walmart to take away the software that worked on the customers' computers and replace it with what only works from their server. (If they had never offered the better software, I wouldn't know and wouldn't complain, but they did, so I do.) Failing in this course, I tried another: I had noted that when the viewer started up, it said something like "Preclick Powered", so I guessend and went to www.preclick.com and that has some good stuff. First check out this page, for all of their software and their cooperative software, written for a particular customer: http://www.preclick.com/products/?PH...c0a3b41e57#ppd For one thing, it has the preclick software which definitely works under win98SE and is pretty useful. IPM; PhotoMovieMaker; Gold (photo orgainizer. That's what I dl'd, installed, and like);Back; and Wiki. The HP co-branded stuff says it only works on win2000/XP/Vista. But the Costco stuff doesn't say that. http://www.preclick.com/demo/costco/ Either: http://www.costcophotocenter.com/organizer/ which has for download: *** http://preclick.com/builds/Costco/1....0.96Signed.exe This version also reversed its installation like the Walmart version** did! So could some Win98 guru try installing this and see if there is some way I can get it to work for myself. I think you also will like having it if you can get it to work. **The win98 Walmart version isn't on the web, only on the CD that I paid for when I got them to develop my film. I could send that to anyone who wants, but the Costco version seem to have tbe same problem and is probably similar in function. OR, one version newer it seems, but the same problem, rolling back action: *** http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.exe or the viewer, which includes the manager also, but which also rolls back and won't install: http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.zip The viewer, however, is the same or almost the same as the Walmart Viewer, except for the logos. Costco is far away from me, requires a 50 dollar "membership", and sells in bulk that I can never use. And they don't say you have to be a Costco member to download this stuff. The Post-it stuff looks pretty good too, but I'm still trying to get the earlier stuff to work. The PhotoBackPack for U3 drives (flash drives) looks great, absolutely great, and it might work great to show my pictures to my brother in Dallas, who has XP. I already happen to have a 2 gig U3 drive, (Sandisk, only 20 dollars at Best Buy, more elsewhere), and it came with U3 software on it, but since I only have win98SE, I don't know if I can or how to install it. *I didnt' understand what U3 was for until I looked at this, and at www.u3.com **I would think that the picture compression can be useful. While one picture isn't much (3-500K, sometimes more) even uncompressed, they mount up quickly if you want to send 10 or 30. With just 10, now we're talking about 4 meg so getting it down to 400K total, even with broadband, is helpful. And I sent a copy to myself and the quality looks just as good as the original, at least with the kind of snapshots I was taking. I'm sorry this is so long, but I hope it is helpful. Any help with the installation problem above will be greatly appreciated*** If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) |
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I had planned to tell you about something great
"mm" wrote in message
... Much of this post is written for a win98 audience, but not all of it. I had planned to tell you about something great, about software for win98 that would soon disappear, so you should get it now. But now I'm not sure what to say. snipped You may not of known what to say, yet your fingers prancing all over the keyboard did. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 |
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I had planned to tell you about something great
....and you question was ?
regards, Richard "mm" wrote in message ... Much of this post is written for a win98 audience, but not all of it. I had planned to tell you about something great, about software for win98 that would soon disappear, so you should get it now. But now I'm not sure what to say. I'm talking about free photo arranging and editing software. When developing film, I've been getting a copy put on CD, and this would also apply to digital camera images. I've been getting one roll done at as many different processors as possible. Kodak, Ritz Camera (is that only around here?), Walmart, and any place else that seems to use a different processor, because each processor has its own software on the CD. More about the others later, but the Walmart CD, processing by Fujica, seemed to be maybe the best and certainly the one with the most interesting story. It has a viewer on the CD which worked fine, and had in itself the abiltiy to email photos, complete with photo compression, by a factor of 10, to make uploading and downloading go more quickly**. This is something my email program alone can't do. And I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to be able to burn photos to a CD too, and while one could do that with Nero etc. I think this will turn out to be better integrated with the viewer. I can send the software to anywho wants, but it's probably not necessary as you will see below. When closing the viewer, it then as promised gives one the opportunity to install an editor, called the Photo Manager, which it says has the ability to get out red eye, to adjust contrast, brigntess, color, and something else. Normally I wouldn't bother, but there are occasional pictures that really could use improvement, and if it works well and is easy, maybe even more could. So I do that and the software install gets all the way to the copy files step, and when it is almost done, it stops, the progress bar goes backwards, and it says it couldn't install, it has not left anything in my system (except it turns out 3 files in the temp directory, but that's not much) and to try again. Trying again and again gives the same problem. When the progress bar reverses, in small print very quickly it displays "rolling back actions"! So I called the Walmart Photo Customer service, and they (the woman I talked to asked someone else) didn't know the answers, knew about printing pictures for customers but not about software. So I wrote the email address given, and I think a computer read the email and because I had made one passing reference to the Walmart Photo Center, wrote back about that only. So I wrote again, spelling it Foto Sentre, and this time I got an email that addressed the Photo Manager. But what did it say? "We received your email and we no longer use the photo manager, you can know upload your pictures straight from our site." The misspelling of "now" makes it seem that the email was written by a real person, but otoh, I knew a cook in the WWII army who said that for every 1000 powdered eggs, they would throw in one real egg shell to make the soldiers think they were getting real eggs. I wouldn't put it past corporations to put mistakes in computer-generated letters to make them seem real (although the first email I got had no such errors, and it was even more likely to be computer-generated. But anyhow, they "no longer use the photo manager"!!! This despite the fact that they include the software, separately from the viewer, on the CD I got only 8 days earlier, and they have a win2000/XP version available for download on the Walmart photo webpage!!! It sounds like she's flat out lying to me, but in case she wasn't, I didn't reply to her on this because fore the people with win2000/XP, I want the software to be still available. What they want me to do is to upload any picture I take to their wegsite and to edit them there. A) Sometimes I go to my parents and that's a great opportunity to do things I don't have time to do at home, but they only have dial-up. My laptop isn't even set up for dial-up and it it were, I don't want to spend hours downnloading and uploading so that I can edit from the Walmart server. B) Sometiems I go camping at various places in the woods, or I spend a day at the beach. No internet there at all, but plenty of time to edit pictures on my laptop. It is a self-centered power-grab for Walmart to take away the software that worked on the customers' computers and replace it with what only works from their server. (If they had never offered the better software, I wouldn't know and wouldn't complain, but they did, so I do.) Failing in this course, I tried another: I had noted that when the viewer started up, it said something like "Preclick Powered", so I guessend and went to www.preclick.com and that has some good stuff. First check out this page, for all of their software and their cooperative software, written for a particular customer: http://www.preclick.com/products/?PH...c0a3b41e57#ppd For one thing, it has the preclick software which definitely works under win98SE and is pretty useful. IPM; PhotoMovieMaker; Gold (photo orgainizer. That's what I dl'd, installed, and like);Back; and Wiki. The HP co-branded stuff says it only works on win2000/XP/Vista. But the Costco stuff doesn't say that. http://www.preclick.com/demo/costco/ Either: http://www.costcophotocenter.com/organizer/ which has for download: *** http://preclick.com/builds/Costco/1....0.96Signed.exe This version also reversed its installation like the Walmart version** did! So could some Win98 guru try installing this and see if there is some way I can get it to work for myself. I think you also will like having it if you can get it to work. **The win98 Walmart version isn't on the web, only on the CD that I paid for when I got them to develop my film. I could send that to anyone who wants, but the Costco version seem to have tbe same problem and is probably similar in function. OR, one version newer it seems, but the same problem, rolling back action: *** http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.exe or the viewer, which includes the manager also, but which also rolls back and won't install: http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.zip The viewer, however, is the same or almost the same as the Walmart Viewer, except for the logos. Costco is far away from me, requires a 50 dollar "membership", and sells in bulk that I can never use. And they don't say you have to be a Costco member to download this stuff. The Post-it stuff looks pretty good too, but I'm still trying to get the earlier stuff to work. The PhotoBackPack for U3 drives (flash drives) looks great, absolutely great, and it might work great to show my pictures to my brother in Dallas, who has XP. I already happen to have a 2 gig U3 drive, (Sandisk, only 20 dollars at Best Buy, more elsewhere), and it came with U3 software on it, but since I only have win98SE, I don't know if I can or how to install it. *I didnt' understand what U3 was for until I looked at this, and at www.u3.com **I would think that the picture compression can be useful. While one picture isn't much (3-500K, sometimes more) even uncompressed, they mount up quickly if you want to send 10 or 30. With just 10, now we're talking about 4 meg so getting it down to 400K total, even with broadband, is helpful. And I sent a copy to myself and the quality looks just as good as the original, at least with the kind of snapshots I was taking. I'm sorry this is so long, but I hope it is helpful. Any help with the installation problem above will be greatly appreciated*** If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:28:49 -0000, "RJK"
wrote: ...and you question was ? regards, Richard Mostly it was a review and a story, but the question is After downloading http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.exe how can one make it install correctly? At the start of the install it says on a splash screen of sorts that it works with win98. It gets through most of the install, but in the Copying Files step, the prgress bar gets maybe 80% of the way across and then starts getting shorter, along with the message "Rolling back action". What could make that happen and how to I change my system so it won't happen? Does it happen to other people reading this post? Is there likely to be a log of the install somewhere that would give me a clue? Would it help to start up Cleansweep, which keeps its own record of what files and registry entries are copied during an install? Any other ideas of how to debug an install? Thanks. If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) |
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"mm" wrote in message ... | On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:28:49 -0000, "RJK" | wrote: | | ...and you question was ? | | regards, Richard | | Mostly it was a review and a story, but the question is | | After downloading | http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.exe | how can one make it install correctly? | | At the start of the install it says on a splash screen of sorts that | it works with win98. | | It gets through most of the install, but in the Copying Files step, | the prgress bar gets maybe 80% of the way across and then starts | getting shorter, along with the message "Rolling back action". | | What could make that happen and how to I change my system so it won't | happen? | | Does it happen to other people reading this post? | | Is there likely to be a log of the install somewhere that would give | me a clue? | | Would it help to start up Cleansweep, which keeps its own record of | what files and registry entries are copied during an install? | | Any other ideas of how to debug an install? | | Thanks. | | | If you are inclined to email me | for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) Try using Dependency Walker to *profile* the installation/setup. This will provide a detailed setup debug of any calls, exes, etc. that occur during that attempt. Open Dependency Walker, choose the installer exe, go to Profile on the tool bar. Choose the level of profiling and run it. Wait until its completely finished [this may take a while as it debugs all calls, program starts, etc.]. .. In addition you can, if a MSI installer, use its debug to create a report of the attempt. MODIFICATIONS TO THE REGISTRY SHOULD NOT E DONE BY IN-EXPERIANCED PEOPLE First note the key below and export the original so you can reset afterwards then create a text file [.reg extension] with its inclusions and merge or manually edit the key: ----COPY BELOW---------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\Installer] "Logging"="voicewarmup" "Debug"=dword:00000007 --- COPY ABOVE WITH THE LAST BLANK LINE -------------- Use the above in conjunction with debugview http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896647.aspx Debugview by sysinternals Between the three, you will have a good idea of exactly where to look, and what needs corrected. [Reprinted from web page - http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...s_diagnos.htm] -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ |
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Have you confirmed with the manufacturer that it really is compatible with
W98? -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "mm" wrote in message ... snip After downloading http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.exe how can one make it install correctly? At the start of the install it says on a splash screen of sorts that it works with win98. It gets through most of the install, but in the Copying Files step, the prgress bar gets maybe 80% of the way across and then starts getting shorter, along with the message "Rolling back action". What could make that happen and how to I change my system so it won't happen? Does it happen to other people reading this post? Is there likely to be a log of the install somewhere that would give me a clue? Would it help to start up Cleansweep, which keeps its own record of what files and registry entries are copied during an install? Any other ideas of how to debug an install? Thanks. |
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:14:41 +1100, "Jeff Richards"
wrote: Have you confirmed with the manufacturer that it really is compatible with W98? It says so in a sort of splash screen early on in the installation process. On the "Costco Photo Organizer - InstallShield Wizard" it says: ....System Requirements:.... Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, or Vista... But I guess that isn't proof. Walmart has a simmilar program, both written by Reclick, but when I asked customer service at Walmart, they only knew about printing pictures. I'll see if I can ask Costco also, but I'll bet they don't know any more. Maybe Reclick will know. If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) |
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On Feb 25, 6:30*pm, mm wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:00:16 -0500, "MEB" meb@not wrote: ... I"m going to try all three methods you've given me, but first I tried Dependancy Walker and I have a couple questions. Try using Dependency Walker to *profile* the installation/setup. This will provide a detailed setup debug of any calls, exes, etc. that occur during that attempt. Open Dependency Walker, choose the installer exe, go to Profile on the tool bar. Choose the level of profiling and run it. Wait until its completely finished [this may take a while as it debugs all calls, program starts, etc.]. Wow, this really gives a lot of info. One line I've found so far (because it displays in red!) is worth asking about: GetProcAddress(0x7FCB0000 [SHELL32.DLL], "SHGetFolderPathW") called from "SHFOLDER.DLL" at address 0x719317BD and returned NULL. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). The thing is, shfolder.dll is in C:\Windows\System, so I don't understand why it couldn't find it. * Unless I'm understanding the message backwards. *Shell32.dll is in the same folder. Also: a few lines further up are, also in RED: GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsAlloc") called from "MSVCR71.DLL" at address 0x7C341950 and returned NULL. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsGetValue") called from "MSVCR71.DLL" at address 0x7C34195D and returned NULL. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsSetValue") called from "MSVCR71.DLL" at address 0x7C34196A and returned NULL. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [KERNEL32.DLL], "FlsFree") called from "MSVCR71.DLL" at address 0x7C341977 and returned NULL. Error: The specified module could not be found (126). I also have Kernel32.dll and MSVCR71.DLL so I don't know what these mean either. * *Maybe the called modules aren't at the right address?? I could look in the FATs etc. and check on that. *What do you recommend. * . In addition you can, if a MSI installer, use its debug to create a report of the attempt. How do I know if it is using an MSI installer? *It does refer at installation-start to the Install Shield Wizard. Using the /? option after the install program, I see that it has 4 possible options. *Do you think any of them might help me? /Q * Quiet mode /T:full path specifies temporary working folder /C * Extract file only to the working folder when used with /T /Ccmd *Override Install Command defined by author If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM *:-) You can open the executable with WinZip to see the .msi file inside the installation package for one. MSI packages by default send a log to the TEMP folder even though it's a bit lacking in detail. You can ramp up the detail to an extraordinary amount but this has to be done by the invoking method and you are NOT close enough to that process to pull of this bit of magic. It appears to be done by the setup executable according to Resource Hacker. http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/ The switches you list are only for the iexpress installation package itself and you are unlikely to benefit at all from them. http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=197147 Inside the Setup.ini file I read that 8 megs of free space are required. It looks like the package will also install on Win95. The information returned by Dependency walker indicates to me, in the first line, that your particular version of Shfolder.dll file doesn't contain the "SHGetFolderPathW" function. That's not right. So the problem is that you've got the wrong Shfolder.dll file, somehow. Mine is version 6.00.2800.1106 and only contains two functions, that one and the A variant of the same function, which makes me ask. Where did you get yours from? And how can I avoid you without making you feel bad? Seriously though, by my version number I can tell that mine came from IE 6.00 SP1 as that is the same version number that are carried by most IE 6.00 SP1 files and that is no coincidence at all. To get your correct Shfolder.dll file back in place you could reinstall IE which should fix this situation and perhaps others that we don't yet know about? When reinstalling IE it is paramount to manualy check all the boxes for all the items that were installed before or else the files including Shfolder.dll don't get extracted from the IE Cab files so that they can be refreshed anew. Double click on ie6setup.exe and select Custom, then do the manual checkbox thing and everything else will fall into line. Or you can extract the file from the ie_5.cab which is inside the IE_S5.cab file of the IE installation cab files and just manually replace it. But I would reinstall IE just to clear the decks as it were, anyway. I suspect that the wrong file is the reason you can't install the package. But on another note isn't what you want a CD Photo viewer? Like this one? http://www.preclick.com/releases/par...er1.4.0.97.zip from this page with full instructions? http://www.preclick.com/demo/costco/ It's 10.5 megs but it's the only free CD photo viewer I've come across yet, shy of XP that is, so thanks. It appears to have the red eye remover, cropper, and other tools along with it so why even install the Organizer Software too? |
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