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Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: ...snip Those are my sentiments too. It's Colorado who first discovered the mdgx site, & it's up to him to get bloody with Terhune-- not us! Well, I'm not waiting - I'm done with it already. I did it months ago, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm through, and moving on to more pressing things - like using this new "USB 2.0 External Hard Drive Enclosure" for a perfect partition copy backup of the boot drive (including ALL the directory and file dates!), and, what a joy it is, compared to the previous, tedious, procedure, of having to manually swap in/out the backup IDE hard drive each time! I've been meaning to ask about that. Did you need to do a separate download for the USB 2.0 drivers, or did they come with the device? They came on the enclosed CD. No download needed. It was recognized by windows as new hardware, and installed pretty easily. Nice. I should add, you can also go to their website and download Win98SE drivers (as I just happened to look there recently), but as I said, you don't need to do that, since they are on the Vantec CD. Did it install flawlessly & well the first time? Is there any confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? What was the ultimate cost? Pretty much installed almost flawlessly (I say "almost", because I made the mistake of leaving my BIOS set to include any USB drives (along with floppies) in the boot sequence. So it tried to boot first on the enclosure drive (which I had NOT installed the drivers on!), and since I had left my backup drive with its partition set as Active in BING, that wasn't too nice. :-) My mistake. But having recognized that and fixing that problem, it went fine. Hmmm. My own BIOS in "Boot Order" only mentions... (a) CD-ROM Drive: Second (b) Floppy Drive A: First (c) Hard Drive C: Third So, I guess I needn't worry! Glad you survived it. In my BIOS bootup options there were also options like ARMD-HDD, for "ATAPI Removeable Media Drive", which presumably includes the USB external drive enclosure with the IDE drive inside. Unfortunately, I had forgotten about that, AND on top of that I had left the Active Partition flag SET on the enclosure drive, so that wasn't nice! Dumb on my part. Live and Learn. The way I have my BIOS setup now is like yours. I've actually seen "Hard Drive C" drop OFF my boot order screen, when I removed the hard drive & plugged it into a Maxtor/Promise Ultra 100 ATA Adapter Card. Could be, who knows, something will pop onto it, if/when I plug in a USB Enclosure with an HDD on it-- BUT the one in the Adapter sure did not! Anyhow, I wouldn't necessarily want to boot it, but would only do what you have done-- instead/in addition to of my current always connected backup HDD inside the box. Cost was around $30 for the USB 2.0 HD enclosure (enclosing the IDE drive). Not bad. Without shipping, that is. (Or maybe it was $35.00) Getting worse, but still acceptable. I leave the USB connector plugged in, but only switch the enclosure drive on (small power switch, on back of enclosure) when I want to make a backup. Nothing to connect or disconnect any more!! Oh JOY!! And most of the time my backup drive is NOT being used, so it has a pretty "unlimited" lifetime. Yea. Sounds good. The Vantec looks pretty elegant in its style, sitting here on my desk, and has a nice blue light (in a sleek blue case) for showing disk activity. That proves you are overall happy with it, if you think it's beautiful. Not just me - if you go look at the reviews (like some on Amazon), you'll see. Here's a link that I think still works: http://www.amazon.com/Vantec-NexStar.../dp/tech-data/ B0009HMT9Y/ref=de_a_smtd/103-9574051-1259041 That does look good all in blue, Colorado. But all my USB ports are on the floor, & I hope I never step on the thing! The only thing I don't like about it is it's a tight fit getting the drive in the case, so if someone wanted to remove it and swap in/out another IDE drive, that wouldn't be too easy. I don't, so it's no biggie. For others, it might be a deal breaker, though. Well, thanks for the report. Yes - if one were going to need to remove the enclosure drive fairly often, there would probably be better choices out there. I will look research the options when the time comes, BUT at least I know the Vantec likely will work-- & with BING too! I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses a large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus does not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be part of the reason for the tight fit). That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like Blanton's do? No way. But maybe you're not runnong it long, too. Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters. If it ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it takes 45 minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive partition C: About 10 GB worth at this point. Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the only way to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and files when I install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and data. Plus I'm always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And using registry backups as needed, after testing out various programs (and sometimes their updates, which I don't like sometimes) Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan? Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool, anyways. That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks. I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music). |
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Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay
attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: You didn't answer... Is there any confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you do, by the rules of... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:. When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard procedure. Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur. |
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I thought the patch had already been created last year. What's the
problem with the one that was created already from the msdn reference? Are you trying to reinvent the wheel here Gary? It's done already. :-) Gary S. Terhune wrote: Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: You didn't answer... Is there any confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you do, by the rules of... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:. When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard procedure. Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur. |
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I'm my Dad's son. Can't help but reinvent the wheel every time I think about
it. Like, why does it always have to be round? So f'in' BORING!!! -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I thought the patch had already been created last year. What's the problem with the one that was created already from the msdn reference? Are you trying to reinvent the wheel here Gary? It's done already. :-) Gary S. Terhune wrote: Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not. |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote: | Bill in Co. wrote: ....snip | I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses | a large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus | does not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be | part of the reason for the tight fit). | | That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like | Blanton's do? | | No way. | | But maybe you're not runnong it long, too. | | Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters. | If it ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it | takes 45 minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive | partition C: | About 10 GB worth at this point. OK. Sounds good as far as heat. | Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the | only way to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and | files when I install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and | data. Plus I'm always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And | using registry backups as needed, after testing out various programs | (and sometimes their updates, which I don't like sometimes) Uhuh, I remember all that, that you wanted the same date stamps & that BING provides them. I like it that way too. | Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and | especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models | apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure | drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan? | Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool, | anyways. | | That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure. | Thanks. | | I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* | backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files | (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music). Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD in/out the first? But let's close this portion of the thread to honor Terhune's request. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote: | Bill in Co. wrote: | PCR wrote: | | You didn't answer... | | Is there any | confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- | does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? | | I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as | you do, by the rules of... | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 | Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters | | When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two | internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, | and E:, F:. | | When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and | H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated | first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I | believe is standard procedure. I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the letters assigned to the permanent drives. Very good, then. It could be just that you have a fortunate partition arrangement that would cause the USB device to enumerate nice as it does, for instance... HDD0: 1 Primary & 1 Extended HDD1: Same as that USB: All Extended Or it must have something to do with those USB drivers, that they are last no matter as you suspect. I guess then somehow they follow rule 7... .....Quote the article......... 7. After all logical drives on the hard disk(s) have been assigned drive letters, drive letters are assigned to drives installed using DRIVER.SYS or created using RAMDRIVE.SYS in the order in which the drivers are loaded in the CONFIG.SYS file. Which drive letters are assigned to which devices can be influenced by changing the order of the device drivers or, if necessary, by creating "dummy" drive letters with DRIVER.SYS. .....EOQ the article............. | Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be | configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the | confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur. Yea. My own CD-R/W is W:\. |
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PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: ...snip I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses a large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus does not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be part of the reason for the tight fit). That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like Blanton's do? No way. But maybe you're not runnong it long, too. Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters. If it ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it takes 45 minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive partition C: About 10 GB worth at this point. OK. Sounds good as far as heat. Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the only way to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and files when I install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and data. Plus I'm always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And using registry backups as needed, after testing out various programs (and sometimes their updates, which I don't like sometimes) Uhuh, I remember all that, that you wanted the same date stamps & that BING provides them. I like it that way too. Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan? Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool, anyways. That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks. I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music). Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD in/out the first? Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They are only backup drives. |
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PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: You didn't answer... Is there any confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you do, by the rules of... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:. When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard procedure. I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the letters assigned to the permanent drives. But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in Windows), and haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no need to. It's only being used as a backup. Very good, then. It could be just that you have a fortunate partition arrangement that would cause the USB device to enumerate nice as it does, for instance... HDD0: 1 Primary & 1 Extended HDD1: Same as that USB: All Extended Or it must have something to do with those USB drivers, that they are last no matter as you suspect. I guess then somehow they follow rule 7... ....Quote the article......... 7. After all logical drives on the hard disk(s) have been assigned drive letters, drive letters are assigned to drives installed using DRIVER.SYS or created using RAMDRIVE.SYS in the order in which the drivers are loaded in the CONFIG.SYS file. Which drive letters are assigned to which devices can be influenced by changing the order of the device drivers or, if necessary, by creating "dummy" drive letters with DRIVER.SYS. ....EOQ the article............. Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur. Yea. My own CD-R/W is W:\. |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote: | Bill in Co. wrote: | PCR wrote: | Bill in Co. wrote: | PCR wrote: | | You didn't answer... | | Is there any | confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- | does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? | | I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as | you do, by the rules of... | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 | Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters | | When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two | internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, | and E:, F:. | | When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and | H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get | enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), | which I believe is standard procedure. | | I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the | letters assigned to the permanent drives. | | But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in | Windows), and haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no | need to. It's only being used as a backup. Oooops. That's right. There's no way it could mess with pre-existing letters, then. Sorry for confusing things. OK. That's that, then. Your Vantec is definitely a candidate when the time comes for me, Colorado. OK, thanks. Let's not mess any further with Terhune's thread, though, mellow as he may lately have become. OK, bye. From another other thread segment... Bill in Co. wrote: | I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* | backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files | (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music). | | Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD | in/out the first? | | Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They | are only backup drives. No, I'm just saying, one should be enough, if the HDDs are removable & meant only for backup. OK, bye. |
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PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: PCR wrote: You didn't answer... Is there any confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\ for instance? I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you do, by the rules of... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978 Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:. When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard procedure. I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the letters assigned to the permanent drives. But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in Windows), and haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no need to. It's only being used as a backup. Oooops. That's right. There's no way it could mess with pre-existing letters, then. Sorry for confusing things. OK. That's that, then. Your Vantec is definitely a candidate when the time comes for me, Colorado. OK, thanks. From another other thread segment... Bill in Co. wrote: I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music). Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD in/out the first? Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They are only backup drives. No, I'm just saying, one should be enough, if the HDDs are removable & meant only for backup. I'm getting another one for backing up my OTHER internal HD. I have TWO internal HDs, which logically need TWO external drives for backup. OK, now I think we're done. :-) |
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