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What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?



 
 
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  #11  
Old March 13th 05, 06:41 AM
SFB - KB3MM
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Any particular boards?

Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
saying it must be ...?

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
users.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: ...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to

install
: it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates

in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the

other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is

far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,

the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all

the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having

this
: one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I

do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has

as
: of now
: not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: update
: because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
the
: Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because

I
: am
: sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but

this
is
: a
: temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while

on-line.
: If
: programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: CRITICAL
: PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the

patch
: because
: of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,

USB
: cable
: or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not

do
: this
: and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for

your
: system
: to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I

know
a
: lot
: about security on computers and weak access points and could

probably
do
: it
: without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
the
: U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
get
: one
: small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists and
: finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help

you
: with
: your computer problems. Have a nice day!
:
: "98 Guy" wrote in message
...
: :
: : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: :
: : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: :
: : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the

background.
: : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
: : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of

simply
: : replacing an existing file).
: :
: : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is

critical
: : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
: : it (via msconfig).
: :
: : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and

KB891711.EXE?
: :
: : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode

to
: : properly install it) ?
: :
: : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: :
: : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
:
:
:



  #12  
Old March 13th 05, 06:49 AM
Dan
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It is indeed a running service.

"John John" wrote in message
...
: SFB - KB3MM wrote:
:
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
:
: John


  #13  
Old March 13th 05, 06:56 AM
Dan
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It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with
: some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some
of
: the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the
: users.
:
: "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
: ...
: : Whata's the downside of this update?
: :
: : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
: install
: : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
updates
: in
: : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
: other
: : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
: far
: : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
: that
: : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: Windows
: : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
: the
: : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: significant
: : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
: the
: : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
: this
: : one patch installed.
: :
: : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
would
: run
: : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
: other
: : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
: : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: :
: : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
: do
: : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: without
: : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: :
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
: as
: : of now
: : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
critical
: : update
: : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: : compromise
: : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
not
: : been
: : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: : maximum of
: : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected
to
: the
: : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
because
: I
: : am
: : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
: this
: is
: : a
: : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
: on-line.
: : If
: : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
this
: : CRITICAL
: : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
: patch
: : because
: : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
: USB
: : cable
: : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
: do
: : this
: : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
: your
: : system
: : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
: know
: a
: : lot
: : about security on computers and weak access points and could
: probably
: do
: : it
: : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
keeping
: the
: : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
and
: get
: : one
: : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: : terriorists and
: : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
: you
: : with
: : your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: :
: : "98 Guy" wrote in message
: ...
: : :
: : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: : :
: : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: : :
: : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
: : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
: update
: : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
: simply
: : : replacing an existing file).
: : :
: : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
: critical
: : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: deactivating
: : : it (via msconfig).
: : :
: : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: KB891711.EXE?
: : :
: : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
: to
: : : properly install it) ?
: : :
: : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: : :
: : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:


  #14  
Old March 13th 05, 06:56 AM
Dan
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My goof. Apple is not open source -- LOL!!

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Apple is open source now? Hard to believe.
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Sure Ivan, the patch was not released in the best manner by Microsoft but
: I
: still give Microsoft credit for finally patching the vulnerability. If
: you
: or anyone else want to leave your machine unpatched without this critical
: update then don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to
: your
: computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of
: changes. Remember, 98, 98SE and ME are in final support stage and last
: support will be elimated on 9x machines after 30 June 2006. Sure on-line
: articles and stuff will still be available but there will be no more
: critical
: updates unless something radical changes at Microsoft. Remember,
: Microsoft
: has insisted on choosing the NT line and I feel that decision is flawed
: and I
: have tried to change them as best as I can but the hope for the future
: seems
: to belong to Linux, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other open-source
: companies.
: Have a nice night!
:
: "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: ...
: : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
install
: it
: on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
: other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
: that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
: this
: one patch installed.
: :
: : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would
: run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
: other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: :
: : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: :
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
as
: of
: now
: : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical
: update
: : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not
: been
: : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to
: the
: : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because
I
: am
: : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this
: is
: a
: : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
on-line.
: If
: : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this
: CRITICAL
: : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch
: because
: : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
: USB
: cable
: : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do
: this
: : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your
: system
: : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
know
: a
: lot
: : about security on computers and weak access points and could probably
: do
: it
: : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping
: the
: : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and
: get
: one
: : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists
: and
: : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
you
: with
: : your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: :
: : "98 Guy" wrote in message
: ...
: : :
: : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: : :
: : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: : :
: : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
: update
: : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: : : replacing an existing file).
: : :
: : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: deactivating
: : : it (via msconfig).
: : :
: : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
: : :
: : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: : : properly install it) ?
: : :
: : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: : :
: : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: :
: :
:
:
:


  #15  
Old March 13th 05, 06:59 AM
SFB - KB3MM
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Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc

with
: some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For

some
of
: the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all

the
: users.
:
: "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
: ...
: : Whata's the downside of this update?
: :
: : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
: install
: : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
updates
: in
: : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on

the
: other
: : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch

is
: far
: : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in

mind
: that
: : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
: Windows
: : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed

out,
: the
: : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
: significant
: : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure

all
: the
: : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not

having
: this
: : one patch installed.
: :
: : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running

WITHOUT
: : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
would
: run
: : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing

found
: other
: : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
: : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
: :
: : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what

I
: do
: : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this

manner,
: : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
: without
: : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: :
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that

has
: as
: : of now
: : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
critical
: : update
: : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: : compromise
: : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
not
: : been
: : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be

a
: : maximum of
: : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is

connected
to
: the
: : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
because
: I
: : am
: : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
: this
: is
: : a
: : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
: on-line.
: : If
: : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
this
: : CRITICAL
: : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
: patch
: : because
: : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet

cable,
: USB
: : cable
: : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do

not
: do
: : this
: : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
: your
: : system
: : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although

I
: know
: a
: : lot
: : about security on computers and weak access points and could
: probably
: do
: : it
: : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
keeping
: the
: : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
and
: get
: : one
: : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: : terriorists and
: : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can

help
: you
: : with
: : your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: :
: : "98 Guy" wrote in message
: ...
: : :
: : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: : :
: : :

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: : :
: : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
: : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
: background.
: : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any

such
: update
: : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
: simply
: : : replacing an existing file).
: : :
: : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
: critical
: : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
: deactivating
: : : it (via msconfig).
: : :
: : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
: KB891711.EXE?
: : :
: : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe

mode
: to
: : : properly install it) ?
: : :
: : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: : :
: : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:



  #16  
Old March 13th 05, 07:00 AM
SFB - KB3MM
external usenet poster
 
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Default

I love it. 'So I've heard' Not picking on you, don't help spread rumors.

Maybe it was just started by a Bill Basher.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is indeed a running service.

"John John" wrote in message
...
: SFB - KB3MM wrote:
:
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
:
: John



  #17  
Old March 13th 05, 07:25 AM
Sramic
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Just on a personal experience note here, ever since I installed these latest
security updates including: "Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002
Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code
Execution (891711)"
I have had many blue screens of death to the point of hard rebooting to get
out. It seems that this update is causing me nothing but grief (Win98
3.10.2222, AMD K6-2 450MHz). I am removing this one because I cannot use my
computer with it! Has anyone else experienced this kind of behavior?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote:

Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion...

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ...
Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install

it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that
there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows
98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this
one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT

anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being
aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do

know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without
testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message

...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as

of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical

update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to

compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not

been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a

maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I

am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is

a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line.

If
programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this

CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch

because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB

cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do

this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your

system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a

lot
about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do

it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get

one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the

terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you

with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
:
: If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
:
: If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background.
: It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update
: or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply
: replacing an existing file).
:
: Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical
: for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating
: it (via msconfig).
:
: Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE?
:
: Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to
: properly install it) ?
:
: Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
:
: Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???




  #18  
Old March 13th 05, 07:31 AM
John John
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If you like services running in the background good for you. I don't
like it.

John

SFB - KB3MM wrote:

OK, Just looked with TaskInfo 2003:
KB891711.exe is indeed running and consuming 0.04% of the CPU.

It was started by MPREXE.EXE

It has 464 KB in memory with 0KB in use for data.

It has 488 KB in memory with 0KB in use for code.

"John John" wrote in message
...

SFB - KB3MM wrote:


Whata's the downside of this update?


Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.

John



  #19  
Old March 13th 05, 02:46 PM
Dan
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It is not that big a deal but hopefully it will be fully incorporated in a
future Microsoft update like the other updates are.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: I love it. 'So I've heard' Not picking on you, don't help spread rumors.
:
: Maybe it was just started by a Bill Basher.
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: It is indeed a running service.
:
: "John John" wrote in message
: ...
: : SFB - KB3MM wrote:
: :
: : Whata's the downside of this update?
: :
: : Run's a service in the background. Or so I've heard.
: :
: : John
:
:
:


  #20  
Old March 13th 05, 02:48 PM
Dan
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Other users have mentioned it may affect you if you use a dial-up connection
or have an older video or sound driver or baddies on your system. Do any of
these apply to you?

"Sramic" wrote in message
...
: Just on a personal experience note here, ever since I installed these
latest
: security updates including: "Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002
: Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code
: Execution (891711)"
: I have had many blue screens of death to the point of hard rebooting to get
: out. It seems that this update is causing me nothing but grief (Win98
: 3.10.2222, AMD K6-2 450MHz). I am removing this one because I cannot use
my
: computer with it! Has anyone else experienced this kind of behavior?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" wrote:
:
: Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion...
:
: "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Whata's the downside of this update?
:
: "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: ...
: Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
install
: it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
updates in
: general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the
other
: hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
: inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is
far
: greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind
that
: there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
Windows
: 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out,
the
: difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
significant
: in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
: vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all
the
: time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having
this
: one patch installed.
:
: And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT
: anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
would run
: a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found
other
: than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
: aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
:
: Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I
do
: know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner,
: without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
without
: testing in dial-up systems, etc.
:
:
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has
as
: of now
: not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
critical
: update
: because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
: compromise
: all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
not
: been
: updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a
: maximum of
: 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected
to the
: Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
because I
: am
: sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
this is
: a
: temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
on-line.
: If
: programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
this
: CRITICAL
: PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
patch
: because
: of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable,
USB
: cable
: or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not
do
: this
: and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
your
: system
: to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I
know a
: lot
: about security on computers and weak access points and could
probably do
: it
: without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
keeping the
: U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
and get
: one
: small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
: terriorists and
: finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help
you
: with
: your computer problems. Have a nice day!
:
: "98 Guy" wrote in message
...
: :
: : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: :
: : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: :
: : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
: : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
: : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
background.
: : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such
update
: : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
simply
: : replacing an existing file).
: :
: : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
critical
: : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
: : it (via msconfig).
: :
: : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
: :
: : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode
to
: : properly install it) ?
: :
: : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: :
: : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
:
:
:
:


 




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