repeated unsolicited connections to internet

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.

But if you find which program is trying to connect and
disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if
such is the one.

Take Nyquil for a cold and you only take care of the
symptoms the cause is still there, get rid of the cause, or
address the cause and the symptoms will disappear.

--
Sincerely, | (©) (©)
| ------ooo--(_)--ooo------
Andrew H. Carter | /// \\\
d(-_-)b |

I have seen this happen but I don't know why. MSconfig should show the Run
key in the registry where the unknown item is being started from. Go to
that Run key in the registry editor and compare the entries there to the
entries shown for that Run key in msconfig. There should be an extra one in
the registry.

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Tom Barkas" wrote in message
...
Ron,

Can you help with this (probably unrelated) item? In the startup
programs, I have a ticked box with no description of any sort. If I
delete it, it comes back. Any ideas?

Tm

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:08:16 -0500, "Ron Badour"
wrotg:

If you have two duplicate items, one marked and one unmarked, mark both
of
them and reboot. One should disappear unless it is a required
"duplicate"
like loadpower and AV settings. If there are unmarked entries you want
rid
of:

There are seven run keys in the registry that are used to start programs:

1. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run

2. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run

3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce

4. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\RunOnce

5. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
RunServices

6. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
RunServicesOnce

7. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
RunOnce\Setup

If there is an item disabled in the Startup tab, MSconfig.exe, that was
in
one of these keys, it will be in an identically named key except that
there
will be a minus at the end, i.e., Run- I suppose any key could be
duplicated; however, I have only found keys #1, #2 and #5 duplicated in
my
registry with a minus. If you want to get rid of a non-marked entry in
MSconfig, delete the key with the minus sign behind it.

When you disable an entry that is in the startup folder on the start
menu, a
folder is created on the start menu called Disabled Startup Items. As
appropriate, delete the item from either the registry key or the Disabled
folder. If the item is the only thing in the registry key or Disabled
folder, you can delete the key or the folder also.

Items can start from the run= and load= lines in the win.ini file. If
disabled, they are placed in a norun= or noload= line. Go into the
win.ini
file and change the appropriate line back to the way it was, i.e., change
norun=application name to run= and save the file.

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.

But if you find which program is trying to connect and
disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if
such is the one.


I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect.

It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:06 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.

But if you find which program is trying to connect and
disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if
such is the one.


I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect.

It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows.


But WHAT is calling it to start? Therein lies the crux of
the matter, solve that and you should solve the problem.

I found that when I had ZoneAlarm, even with it being "call
back disabled", it would stil pop up the DUN. Also
NeoPlanet browser would call the DUN to startas well as time
synching proggies would call DUN to start. Eliminate what
calls DUN (when you don't want to be connected) and your
problems should go away. It could be a virus, trojan or
worm wanting to call back.

BTW, I've found that SPF (Sygate Personal Firewall
www.sygate.com) gives more data on connections than ZA,
which is also why I trashed ZA.

--
Sincerely, | (©) (©)
| ------ooo--(_)--ooo------
Andrew H. Carter | /// \\\
d(-_-)b |

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.

But if you find which program is trying to connect and
disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if
such is the one.


I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect.

It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows.



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:12:08 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:00:06 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:35:22 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:29 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.

But if you find which program is trying to connect and
disable it's callback feature, you will have stopped it, if
such is the one.


I HAVE found the program that is trying to connect.

It is "Dial up nmetworking" which is part of MS Windows.


But WHAT is calling it to start? Therein lies the crux of
the matter, solve that and you should solve the problem.

Nothing is calling it to start. It is just activating itself.

I found that when I had ZoneAlarm, even with it being "call
back disabled", it would stil pop up the DUN. Also
NeoPlanet browser would call the DUN to startas well as time
synching proggies would call DUN to start. Eliminate what
calls DUN (when you don't want to be connected) and your
problems should go away. It could be a virus, trojan or
worm wanting to call back.

If it were any of those things, surely it would be trying to connect to
SOMETHING.

It would be trying to send something somewhere, or receive something from
somewhere.

A program looking for updates, for example, would normally go to a web site
where the update could be downlaoded, and therefore call the web browser.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Dial up networking (DUN) is the method used by your PC's modem to connect to
your ISP's modem via your telephone line. It is NOT the problem. Some
program or function is activating DUN--your task is to find out what program
is doing it and end it. Since this started right after the HP software
update, that is the logical place to look.

Modem Attempts to Dial When Windows Starts
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=175312
--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:28:45 -0400, Andrew H. Carter

wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:52:09 GMT,
(Steve Hayes) scribbled some thoughts:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 16:22:15 -0400, Andrew H. Carter

wrote:

Your machine won't dial out if:

1) You unplug phone line when not online
2) You uncheck the dial automatically in Internet Options

Yes, you can do that, and I have.

What is doesn't stop is that pesky "Dial up networking" window poppoing
up,
and sending everything you are typing to the bit bucket, except that igf
you
happen to hit a "c", as I did when I typed "except" just now, it will
immediately start to dial.

The trouble is that the "Dial-up networking" thing behaves like a popup
ad.

If there is any way of stopping it from doing that, I would love to know
howe
to do it. Other programs don't keep popping up asking if you want to
start
them.

I wwould check everysingle installed program to check if you
can disable the "Call home to the mothership" feature, I
would also check to see what proggies startup at boot. ZA
did that quite alot, which is why I trashed it. I am the
master of my comp, with regards to when I connect.

You might do that, but I'm not going to waste any more time on it. There
are
better things to spend time on than looking for something that isn't
there.

I know what program is trying to conned: Duialup networking, part of MS
Windows.

There is no need to look any further. The question is not which program is
trying to connmect, but to stop it.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk

Nothing at all. That said, it has currently disappeared. It may be
coincidence, but it is since I uninstalled my HP printer

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:42:31 -0400, Andrew H. Carter
wrotg:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:24:20 +0100, Tom Barkas
scribbled some thoughts:

Ron,

Can you help with this (probably unrelated) item? In the startup
programs, I have a ticked box with no description of any sort. If I
delete it, it comes back. Any ideas?

Tm



Is there at least a file name? What you are experiencing
can probably be corrected if you look for the entry in your
Registry.

hi, Ron,

It's me on the HP printer/dialling problem thread. There was nothing
at all in msconfig or in Spybot Tools/Startup (which usually also
gives more details on the file and what it does) - all there was was a
box with or without a cross as appropriate. That said, it has now
disappeared - may be coincidence but this is after I have uninstalled
the printer.

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:02:22 -0500, "Ron Badour"
wrotg:

I have seen this happen but I don't know why. MSconfig should show the Run
key in the registry where the unknown item is being started from. Go to
that Run key in the registry editor and compare the entries there to the
entries shown for that Run key in msconfig. There should be an extra one in
the registry.