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" Those who know don't speak ... those who are ignorant never keep
quiet " MG Heather wrote: Beats the hell out of your idiotic ramblings about things you obviously don't understand!! moyl |
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"JAD" wrote in message
... attacks = anything contrary to your preaching. You think this is an ATTACK? sad .. SR worked for me. I don't really know how many people have found it to be useful. Indeed, most of the time, it does NOTHING for me (kind of like insurance). But it worked once when I needed it. |
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On that special day, Noel Paton, )
said... Your demonstration of your own ignorance is growing in direct proportion to the length of this thread. In other words: This time you couldn't prove that I was completely wrong, and now you are annoyed. Gabriele Neukam -- Ah, Information. A good, too valuable these days, to give it away, just so, at no cost. |
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No - in other words, "you still don't have a clue".
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Gabriele Neukam" wrote in message ... On that special day, Noel Paton, ) said... Your demonstration of your own ignorance is growing in direct proportion to the length of this thread. In other words: This time you couldn't prove that I was completely wrong, and now you are annoyed. Gabriele Neukam -- Ah, Information. A good, too valuable these days, to give it away, just so, at no cost. |
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On that special day, Noel Paton, )
said... No - in other words, "you still don't have a clue". His last words... Gabriele Neukam -- Often those who most loudly proclaim their freedom to choose in some fields are the most retentive about 'correcting' others' choices in other fields. (Brian Brunner in alt.games.diablo2) |
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I'm certainly willing to entertain the notion that it is "unrepresentative".
g Shane "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... "Just lucky, I guess" -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Shane" wrote in message ... Maybe, but I'd be surprised if I hadn't over three years of it. Shane "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... "when I was using NAV I didn't have problems as a consequence of running SR" - possibly because you never attempted to use SR back across a LiveUpdate point, which broke the Symantec registry entries? -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Shane" wrote in message ... Quite, Noel. And yet - on an unrepresentative note, when I was using NAV I didn't have problems as a consequence of running SR. Meanwhile, bear in mind that the advice to disable SR before a scan is given by most of the AV companies. Shane "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Figgs Your AV, and mine work well after a System Restore for one very good reason - it's NOT Norton! - I suspect that JAD is using the 'trasher of systems' that Symantec continue to peddle as being fit-for-use in ME. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Heather" wrote in message ... snip "JAD" wrote in message ... snip Tell me, how does your AV work after a system restore? My antivirus works just fine after a System Restore......why wouldn't it? Remember what I said above.......I practice safe hex and the last virus I got was Happy99 I believe......yes, 1999, 5 or 6 years ago when Vecna released that one. Due to using that blasted Norton as an AV. |
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"Gabriele Neukam" wrote in message ... On that special day, Shane, ) said... System Restore is valuable because backups are rarely made on a daily basis. Reasonably often on disinfecting the system, some component is found not to work anymore. If System Restore is still available it may provide the opportunity to restore to before infection but since the last backup (assuming one has been made). If you want to give us the idea that system restore is the ultimate solution to a screwed up computer, you are misunderstanding something. Well, no, that's not what I want to do and I don't see how you could get the idea that it was. It cannot be a do-it-all wonder. It can replace some files with older versions, and replace messed up registries, and that's it. Right. And that's all it needs to do. I myself deactivated my system restore in Windows ME in late 2000, and guess what. My machine never was screwed up, didn't get infected by any worm although there were dozens if not hundreds in the mail box, and hasn't yet been trojanized or hijacked. So what? Why? I don't run Outlook Express for fetching mail, but T-Online eMail, which is an extremely "dumb" mail program, and cannot be coaxed to "run" "wavefiles" because of a malformed attachment declaration. And I surf with opera or Mozilla, but never with an Internet Explorer. I run Internet Explorer and Outlook Express (and Outlook) and I don't get viruses, trojans, worms or other malware. So you see, Gabriele, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what you or I achieve. It is in fact about what those who are insufficiently knowledgable or indeed careful, fail to achieve, and that they are precisely the ones most likely to benefit from the ability to reverse loss of network settings, say, having cleaned malware, with a couple of clicks and the minimum of technical instruction. So my system is free of any given malware, and this WITHOUT system restore. Someone who cannot keep his computer clean because of too basic knowledge about how to operate it, will probably also be unable to tell apart which restore point might be safe, and which not. And if the Yes, well that's what I mean about elitism. Learning the principles of Safe Hex is - except for those pre-disposed to the kind of logical thinking that comes easily to the computer geek, ie one who is good at mathematics, ie not the majority of the population - requires something of a philosophical shift. The requisite understanding of System Restore can be adequately expressed in a very short paragraph that large numbers of people who are not innately computer-literate are nonetheless intelligent enough to understand. Add to this the fact that most viruses are almost certainly discovered almost immediately following infection and restoring a day or two before one's AV notified of it will usually be sufficient. When (if) one suggests the use of System Restore following a malware infection, one includes - inseperably - the proviso that one restore back to before the infection. This is leaving the decision about whether or not that date can be reliably determined, to the user. Unlike - apparently - you, I do not consider everyone who is not a geek to be stupid. But bear in mind - and one wonders who the stupid one is here - that at no point was I suggesting using System Restore to recover from an infection, but to return to square one in the event of the cleaning causing problems. malware has planted itself into the _RESTORE folder, it might restore itself into activity, exactly what you DON'T want to happen. I assume this is your English rather than that you don't know that malware does not infiltrate _Restore. System File Protection stops that happening and, as I said, if the malware can circumvent SFP it really has no need to infiltrate System Restore. Any arguments along the lines of malware infiltrating System Restore make no sense. System restore might work ok in exactly one case - you install a new driver or a botched Norton, and after restart, your machine gives a lot of errors. Restoring *immediately* after the screw up, can fix this. Spoken like someone who has System Restore disabled. But even then, you have to be able to at least start *into* Windows. If all you get is a blue screen and a "Windows will now shut down", your wonderful system restore is moot. Because it can only be run from *inside* Windows. System Restore can be run without starting Explorer in the same way Zvi's Togglemod works. But if you can't even get that far then, no, System Restore is useless. But then I never remotely suggested System Restore was a cure all. Acronis True Image, PowerQuest Drive Image and Norton Ghost on the other hand, can be run from *outside* Windows. This is what JAD was referring to, when he spoke of a BACK UP. Yes, I know. I use Drive Image. Far more people have System Restore than a drive imaging program and of those who do, few will be making backups more than once a week. Got it? Never realised how obnoxious you are. Shane |
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Alright. And would you, please desist from top posting and full quoting?
Both are against the most common rules of the Usenet. You *really* are a pillock. Shane |
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"Papageno" wrote in message t... "JAD" wrote in message ... attacks = anything contrary to your preaching. You think this is an ATTACK? sad .. SR worked for me. I don't really know how many people have found it to be useful. Indeed, most of the time, it does NOTHING for me (kind of like insurance). But it worked once when I needed it. Spot on. Shane |
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(just in case the meaning escapes one of such limited horizons.....)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pillock -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Shane" wrote in message ... Alright. And would you, please desist from top posting and full quoting? Both are against the most common rules of the Usenet. You *really* are a pillock. Shane |
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