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Old May 11th 08, 08:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
C.D. Koger
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Default too much memory?

To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a 98SE/XP dual
boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the Award BIOS
anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new obstacle
appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains there isn't
enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that I first remove the
resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger


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Old May 11th 08, 10:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Brian A.
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"C.D. Koger" wrote in message
...
To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a 98SE/XP dual
boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the Award BIOS
anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new obstacle
appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains there isn't
enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that I first remove the
resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger



You can use XP to select which OS to boot by adding a line for your 98 install
to the boot.ini.
For info on editing the boot.ini:
http://thpc.info/how/editbootini.html

As for the RAM w/98:

If the system has 700MB's of RAM or more installed following line MUST be
added to the [vcache] section of windows\system.ini file but never more.
MaxFileCache=512000

If you go over 1GB of RAM and still receive errors add the following line
to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000
This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access
to 1GB. If the errors go away with this setting remove the memory over
1GB as it will not be used with this setting.
Also, see these MS articles for more reference:
Windows 95 Can Access Up to Two GB of RAM:
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../q181/5/94.asp

Memory Limits for Windows Releases
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/aa366778.aspx

Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;184447

"Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed:
http://support.microsoft.com/support.../Q253/9/12.ASP

Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304943

Windows Protection Error in NDIS with a CPU That Is Faster Than 2.1 GHz
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=312108



Error Message: VMM32.VXD Is Required to Run Windows...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=194679

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


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Old May 11th 08, 10:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jeff Richards
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Default too much memory?

Instead of dual booting, install XP and run W98 in a virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...c/default.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"C.D. Koger" wrote in message
...
To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a 98SE/XP
dual
boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the Award
BIOS
anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new obstacle
appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains there isn't
enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that I first remove
the
resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger




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Old May 11th 08, 12:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rick Chauvin
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Default too much memory?

Even though there are many links and procedures that speak to being able to
run 2 GB of RAM on W98SE in a standard installation, myself having tried
every single one of them at one time, I have never ever found a way to be
able to 'physically' even have the second stick of 1 GB RAM plugged in on
boot up without getting one or another kind of fatal error.. Even 1.5 GB
was squirrelly. I imagine it was some older or specific hardware setup
that allowed that combination of settings to limit the seen RAM to 1 GB or
they wouldn't of came up with that info in the first place, but again I've
never seen anyone actually accomplish it... and believe me, I tried
everything! ...1 GB was the most I was ever able to run 'stable' on W98SE,
which really was plenty for it anyway.. and yes I know in a dual boot 98/XP
situation where XP uses 2 GB just fine you wold want to keep the 2 GB
installed... but....

Now with the advent of running Virtual PC's to do it, then that's another
story I hear, of which I haven't tried myself yet.

Rick

"C.D. Koger" wrote in message

To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a 98SE/XP
dual boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the Award
BIOS anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new
obstacle appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains
there isn't enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that I
first remove the resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger




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Old May 11th 08, 12:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Rick Chauvin
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"Jeff Richards" wrote in message

Instead of dual booting, install XP and run W98 in a virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...c/default.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)



Jeff, would one have to install W98SE from scratch into a XP Virtual PC
environment, or..could one restore a backup partition saved from rather it
be BING, TrueImage, etc, of W98SE.. into it? Wishful thinking I'd imagine.

Rick




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Old May 11th 08, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
philo
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Default too much memory?


"C.D. Koger" wrote in message
...
To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a 98SE/XP

dual
boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the Award

BIOS
anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new obstacle
appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains there isn't
enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that I first remove

the
resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger




To install Win98 ...remove some memory...
and try your setup with 512 megs of RAM or less.

Before adding the rest of the RAM...
do the vcache setting "tweak" as mentioned by another respondent.


Of course...my advice would be not to bother with Win98 with such new
hardware...
it's not likely you'd be able to find any win98 drivers for your chipset and
other hardware.
(Such as video card, etc.)
If you are simply trying to get older apps to work in XP...
.... try the compatibility mode option.


BTW: The use of a virtual machine was also mentioned ...
since devices are emulated...it *might* be your best option.
(If for no other reason, you can manually assign the amount of RAM you want
assigned to your guest OS.)
I'd give it a try at any rate.


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Old May 11th 08, 12:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Brian A.
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"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...


"Jeff Richards" wrote in message

Instead of dual booting, install XP and run W98 in a virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...c/default.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)



Jeff, would one have to install W98SE from scratch into a XP Virtual PC
environment, or..could one restore a backup partition saved from rather it
be BING, TrueImage, etc, of W98SE.. into it? Wishful thinking I'd imagine.

Rick





VPC uses all virtual drivers and AFAIK any OS has to be installed fresh.
However, I have never attempted setting up a .vmc on a .vhd via any type of
backup/imaging application, my guess is the app won't see the .vhd.

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


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Old May 11th 08, 03:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Mike Y
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Default too much memory?


"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
Instead of dual booting, install XP and run W98 in a virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...c/default.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)


I don't see Vista Home Premium listed. Anyone know if it will run on that?





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Old May 11th 08, 03:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Brian A.
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Default too much memory?

"Mike Y" wrote in message ...

"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
Instead of dual booting, install XP and run W98 in a virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...c/default.mspx
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)


I don't see Vista Home Premium listed. Anyone know if it will run on that?






Yes it will, but if you have any problems it's not supported by MS. You'll
have to find answers to resolve any issue in a Vista and/or VPC newsgroup.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


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Old May 11th 08, 11:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
someone watching
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Default too much memory?

Rick, philo had it right when he said:

To install Win98 ...remove some memory...
and try your setup with 512 megs of RAM or less.

Before adding the rest of the RAM...
do the vcache setting "tweak" as mentioned by another respondent.

Would also add this; be SURE to use the MaxPhysPage parameter under
SYSTEM.INI [386enh] but with one caveat, try a number lower that 40000,
e.g. MaxPhysPage=39999. 40000 limits seen memory to 1GB but I've
encountered a system which would NOT boot until that number was lowered
by one!

BTW, have also installed 98se on numerous PC's using this method and it
ALWAYS worked. And here is yet another item; there is a fellow who makes
a patch for SE which allows USE of that extra memory. I use his patch on
two IBM T41 laptops with 1.5GB RAM, a tower with 1GB RAM and it works
like a charm. ALL RAM is recognized (though never needed). Here's a
link: http://members.aol.com/rloew1/
___
"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
Even though there are many links and procedures that speak to being
able to
run 2 GB of RAM on W98SE in a standard installation, myself having
tried
every single one of them at one time, I have never ever found a way to
be
able to 'physically' even have the second stick of 1 GB RAM plugged in
on
boot up without getting one or another kind of fatal error.. Even 1.5
GB was squirrelly. I imagine it was some older or specific hardware
setup that allowed that combination of settings to limit the seen RAM
to 1 GB or they wouldn't of came up with that info in the first place,
but again I've never seen anyone actually accomplish it... and believe
me, I tried everything! ...1 GB was the most I was ever able to run
'stable' on W98SE, which really was plenty for it anyway.. and yes I
know in a dual boot 98/XP situation where XP uses 2 GB just fine you
wold want to keep the 2 GB installed... but....

Now with the advent of running Virtual PC's to do it, then that's
another
story I hear, of which I haven't tried myself yet.

Rick

"C.D. Koger" wrote in message

To improve the sluggishness of WinXP I bought an AMD Athlon dual core
machine with 2 Gb RAM and 512 Mb video and wanted to install a
98SE/XP
dual boot system.
1th disappointment: swapping drives C and D isn't offered by the
Award
BIOS anymore, so I'll need a boot manager (I thought). But soon a new
obstacle appeared: with 2048 Mb of RAM, the 98SE installer pertains
there isn't enough memory to properly setup the O/S and suggests that
I
first remove the resident software to free some space!
Is there a workaround for this?

Cornelis Koger






 




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