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On 6 Mar 2005 11:09:01 -0800, "randau"
cquirke wrote: I have a hunch you might find it's NAV itself (or its LiveUpdate component) that is the problem here. You can also do these tests, and report back: - Safe Mode Cmd Only - Safe Mode - Normal Mode with all startup items suppressed in MSConfig I disabled everything in the MSconfig.exe Startup tab with still no effect on the extraneous dialups. If it's Norton (as I half-suspect it is) then you may need to disable non-Microsoft services as well (Services tab in XP; may have to get medieval with Regedit in Win9x). If it's a shell integration, then Shell Extension Viewer is the better (more on-target, safely undoable) approach. I don't understand the difference between the two Safe Mode items above (I've not run Safe Mode before). Safe Mode suppresses some drivers and startup items while running Windows as usual, with Explorer as the shell. So anything that is integrated into Explorer (shell extensions) or IE (BHOs) is active. Safe Mode is not 100% safe for malware, but it's safer in Win9x than it is in XP, as XP offers more ways to autorun in Safe Mode. Safe Mode Command Prompt Only is a different animal. In Win95/98, it runs DOS mode instead of Windows. In WinME, it's not an option. In XP, it runs XP but with CMD.EXE (the command interpreter) as the shell instead on Explorer.exe - and this was the scenario I had in mind, because this way, anything integrated into Explorer doesn't run. But if you are on WinME, as I belatedly notice is likely, given the newgroup we are in, then there's no Comamnd Prompt Only option. ---------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Cats have 9 lives, which makes them ideal for experimentation! ---------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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Rick T wrote:
Is it Windows Update, maybe ? Hmmm, why do you say that? Do you think the endless procession of Windows Updates (for security patches) may be contributing to degradation of stability in the operating system? It's something I've been wondering about. Doesn't sound like you have a malware infection... What makes you say that? what firewall are you using and do you think you could trap the outbound connection attempt with it ? I don't use a Firewall. -- randau |
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In oups.com,
randau had this to say: I don't use a Firewall. That could be a part of the problem. Got an idea here... Let it run (let it connect) chances are that it's going to do anything that it would do on it's own when (if built with any degree of sophistication/capability and this does apply to malware too) it detects you have a network connection. The run netstat from a command prompt and find out where it's trying to connect. From reading this post I've decided two bits of advice are in order my good sir. First being that no one application is the be-all-and-end-all of all security. When in doubt get a second opinion. AntiVir or AVG are free and reputable. Download them, update them, scan in safe mode. Prevent them from running in real time by disabling their startup prompts so they don't interfere with each other. One should never run two full time anti-virus applications so make sure you disable one of them but, of course, not both. Scan with that. The same thing applies to your anti-spyware. There are a number of free options out there and Spybot is highly regarded in the community. I'm not as nice as Chris :P You'll have to Google it on your own as I seem to have lost the link somehow. Anyhow, on to number two. A firewall serves multiple purposes. First it keeps the bad guys out if it's properly configured. Second, if it's any good, it lets you know what's trying to get out and gives you the option to prevent it before it allows it to escape. I'm biased but with Windows ME I'd consider Outpost Personal Firewall which comes in a free version or a paid version. Both fully featured and will provide you a great deal of protection but, like all things, they need to be properly configured. Too much work you say? Well, in order to be a "good member of the internet community" it's your JOB to protect your computer from infestations and, if found, to make sure that you don't propagate the infestations. A firewall will certainly help to achieve this goal. There is also ZoneAlarm which is available free but, as I said, I'm a bit biased. Outpost is at www.agnitum.com but you'll need to Google ZoneAlarm. I'd though, for a moment or two, that I'd ask if you had some sort of driver device helper (like nVidia or Creative) which was trying to register itself. Given that you've disabled all non-essential goodies from the MSCONFIG utility (for which I'd prefer the Startup Control Panel located here http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml as I happen to just have that link handy though now that I think about it, it has no features for services which Chris mentioned... Hmm... More on that later on in a new post perhaps but I'll settle for that for now.) there shouldn't be any reason why they'd be loading. Unless, of course, they're loaded after the device is loaded or not at boot but rather when some certain circumstances have been met. I've never seen anything like that for registration but just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. For example I've never seen a PC based on a VIA chipset not cause endless headaches but people buy them so there must be some out there that do. Ah well, enough of the asides and digression. I'd consider the first two things listed. When you find out where it's trying to connect to you will be better armed to determine what process is telling it to connect perhaps? Galen -- "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes |
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On 6 Mar 2005 11:09:01 -0800, "randau" cquirke wrote: I have a hunch you might find it's NAV itself (or its LiveUpdate component) that is the problem here. You can also do these tests, and report back: - Safe Mode Cmd Only - Safe Mode - Normal Mode with all startup items suppressed in MSConfig I disabled everything in the MSconfig.exe Startup tab with still no effect on the extraneous dialups. If it's Norton (as I half-suspect it is) then you may need to disable non-Microsoft services as well (Services tab in XP; may have to get medieval with Regedit in Win9x). If it's a shell integration, then Shell Extension Viewer is the better (more on-target, safely undoable) approach. I don't understand the difference between the two Safe Mode items above (I've not run Safe Mode before). Safe Mode suppresses some drivers and startup items while running Windows as usual, with Explorer as the shell. So anything that is integrated into Explorer (shell extensions) or IE (BHOs) is active. Safe Mode is not 100% safe for malware, but it's safer in Win9x than it is in XP, as XP offers more ways to autorun in Safe Mode. Safe Mode Command Prompt Only is a different animal. In Win95/98, it runs DOS mode instead of Windows. In WinME, it's not an option. In XP, it runs XP but with CMD.EXE (the command interpreter) as the shell instead on Explorer.exe - and this was the scenario I had in mind, because this way, anything integrated into Explorer doesn't run. But if you are on WinME, as I belatedly notice is likely, given the newgroup we are in, then there's no Comamnd Prompt Only option. ---------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Cats have 9 lives, which makes them ideal for experimentation! ---------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Try Googling for "Process Explorer" . Use this to view and disable differing processes. Don't kill explorer. Also open up the Norton/Liveupdate Control panel. Adjust settings as necessary to allow you to control the dialup connection (not them). -- Lester Stiefel In Romans 1 there are qualities of Unregenerate man listed which describe him in the last days. Is your quality found on this list?? |
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randau wrote:
Extraneous Dial-Up Connection Attempts I've been experiencing extraneous dial-up connection attempts occurring during start up, shut down, and invoking various applications that don't even require dial-ups. It's particularly evident when using Windows Explorer to open or view Properties of Text files by left or right clicking on them. It brings up the "Connect To" dialog box and commenced dialing up my ISP before I had unchecked its "Connect automatically" box. Now the dialog box just sits there waiting for me to click something on it. Nothing happens with Windows Explorer until the "Connect To" dialog box is dealt with which takes two Cancels before it stops reappearing. Then the prior clicked function in Windows Explorer finally manifests itself (very annoying). Isn't there someplace where you can select NOT to have "Auto-Dial-Up on Demand" when you invoke an application that does require an Internet connection? -- randau Oregon, USA I read and post from the Google Groups web site using a Spam collecting email address that I don't use for anything else. So if someone wants to contact me, please cleanup and use the Spam resistant Email address below. randau2...(at)...proaxis.com You need to address this at the Auto update feature of the programs themselves. Just disabling the 'task Manager' Entry will not do as the program will re-enable this. Disable the feature in the program itself. -- Lester Stiefel In Romans 1 there are qualities of Unregenerate man listed which describe him in the last days. Is your quality found on this list?? |
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