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Old April 20th 15, 06:41 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.


I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working
now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the
floppy. Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.

Bill

https://winworldpc.com/product/windo...second-edition

Well I go it from here anyway. DOS is booting but not the ISO maybe it isn't
bootable.

Bill


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Old April 20th 15, 06:56 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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https://winworldpc.com/product/windo...second-edition

Well I go it from here anyway. DOS is booting but not the ISO maybe it
isn't bootable.

Bill


I downloaded the full retail version. There is the full OEM version too.
But full versions I would think do not depend on win95 to be present to show
as an upgrade. Hence a full version.

Bill


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Old April 20th 15, 07:49 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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https://winworldpc.com/product/windo...second-edition

Well I go it from here anyway. DOS is booting but not the ISO maybe it
isn't bootable.

Bill


I downloaded the full retail version. There is the full OEM version
too. But full versions I would think do not depend on win95 to be present
to show as an upgrade. Hence a full version.


OK. Well for some reason niether 2007 or Oracle's VB wants to recognize
the full retail version of 98se. So I downloaded the OEM version and it
works fine. Whew. I wonder why that is. Any opinions? Anyway if anyne else
wants to do this, download the OEM version.

Bill


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Old April 20th 15, 09:12 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote...

I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.


I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working
now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the floppy.
Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.


Does the ISO image (burned to a CD/DVD/BD disc) boot in the host OS
(i.e., the real OS)? That is, burn the ISO to a disc, put the disc in
the optical drive, and reboot your computer, go into BIOS to check the
boot order has the optical drive before the HDD, reboot again, and see
if you can boot using the disc.

If the disc won't boot in the real or host OS, it won't boot in the
guest OS.
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Old April 20th 15, 09:19 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

Bill Cunningham wrote ...

I downloaded the full retail version.


So I downloaded the OEM version


From where are you downloading install discs for Windows (any version)?
Unless you get a tech subscription from Microsoft or *buy* from their
online store, there are few places where you can actually download
legitimate copies of Windows (e.g., Digital River) and those are
registered etailers that you have to *buy* from, not download sites for
free copies of Windows. You never mentioned buying Windows 98. You
didn't have its installer disc from prior use? You sure wherever you
are downloading free copies provided a legit license for Windows 98?
Microsoft not supporting a product doesn't mean they ceded ownership.

Whatever Windows you install inside a VM must be an unfettered license.
If it is a full version, it cannot be installed and used while another
installation of it is active. If it is an OEM license, it must have
NEVER been installed anywhere before. If it is an upgrade license, the
prior version chain (through any prior updates traced back to a full
license) but not be in use anywhere else. Each upgrade nullifies the
license to whatever on which that upgrade was based and the entire chain
of upgrades must trace back to a full or OEM license. Installing
Windows inside of a VM still requires complying with the license for
that installation of Windows. Linux isn't so fettered with license
tracking.
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Old April 20th 15, 09:37 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote...

I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.


I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is
working
now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the
floppy.
Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.


Does the ISO image (burned to a CD/DVD/BD disc) boot in the host OS
(i.e., the real OS)? That is, burn the ISO to a disc, put the disc in
the optical drive, and reboot your computer, go into BIOS to check the
boot order has the optical drive before the HDD, reboot again, and see
if you can boot using the disc.

If the disc won't boot in the real or host OS, it won't boot in the
guest OS.


If he could create a Windows 98 or 98se boot floppy somehow then he could
get to a non bootable ISO that way.

As a side note Virtual PC 2007 will let you listen to stereo in virtual
machines but the Virtual XP that comes with Windows 7 Pro will not.

Rocky


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Old April 20th 15, 09:55 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

Bill Cunningham wrote ...

I downloaded the full retail version.


So I downloaded the OEM version


From where are you downloading install discs for Windows (any version)?
Unless you get a tech subscription from Microsoft or *buy* from their
online store, there are few places where you can actually download
legitimate copies of Windows (e.g., Digital River) and those are
registered etailers that you have to *buy* from, not download sites for
free copies of Windows. You never mentioned buying Windows 98. You
didn't have its installer disc from prior use? You sure wherever you
are downloading free copies provided a legit license for Windows 98?
Microsoft not supporting a product doesn't mean they ceded ownership.

Whatever Windows you install inside a VM must be an unfettered license.
If it is a full version, it cannot be installed and used while another
installation of it is active. If it is an OEM license, it must have
NEVER been installed anywhere before. If it is an upgrade license, the
prior version chain (through any prior updates traced back to a full
license) but not be in use anywhere else. Each upgrade nullifies the
license to whatever on which that upgrade was based and the entire chain
of upgrades must trace back to a full or OEM license. Installing
Windows inside of a VM still requires complying with the license for
that installation of Windows. Linux isn't so fettered with license
tracking.


While that is true if you have the MSDN subscription they will let you use
the same key on 3 different computers or the same key on 1 computer about 50
times. And they will only let you install it on 3 different computers or
virtual machines even if you destroy the earlier installs.

And from the people that have tried to install an OEM version of XP multiple
times. It normally stops them cold at the seventh install.

Me, I have used the OEM license to install to another HD in the same
computer with the OEM license and since I can't run both copies at the same
time I consider that legal.

Rocky


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Old April 21st 15, 01:54 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

Bill Cunningham wrote ...

I downloaded the full retail version.


So I downloaded the OEM version


From where are you downloading install discs for Windows (any version)?
Unless you get a tech subscription from Microsoft or *buy* from their
online store, there are few places where you can actually download
legitimate copies of Windows (e.g., Digital River) and those are
registered etailers that you have to *buy* from, not download sites for
free copies of Windows. You never mentioned buying Windows 98. You
didn't have its installer disc from prior use? You sure wherever you
are downloading free copies provided a legit license for Windows 98?
Microsoft not supporting a product doesn't mean they ceded ownership.

Whatever Windows you install inside a VM must be an unfettered license.
If it is a full version, it cannot be installed and used while another
installation of it is active. If it is an OEM license, it must have
NEVER been installed anywhere before. If it is an upgrade license, the
prior version chain (through any prior updates traced back to a full
license) but not be in use anywhere else. Each upgrade nullifies the
license to whatever on which that upgrade was based and the entire chain
of upgrades must trace back to a full or OEM license. Installing
Windows inside of a VM still requires complying with the license for
that installation of Windows. Linux isn't so fettered with license
tracking.


You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything really
from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's pushing it, I
might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is not that good. It's ok
yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not throwing it out but I am not
paying good money when there's other OSs just as good. If not better.
Windows focuses on the masses that can't do anything from a cli so they need
a gui. People that barely know how to turn on a PC.

Bill


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Old April 21st 15, 05:14 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything
really from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's
pushing it, I might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is
not that good. It's ok yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not
throwing it out but I am not paying good money when there's other OSs
just as good. If not better. Windows focuses on the masses that can't
do anything from a cli so they need a gui. People that barely know
how to turn on a PC.


What was the point or goal of installing Windows 98 into a VM? There
must've been some reason you wanted Windows 98 instead of, say, Ubuntu
or Mint as the guest OS.

Windows 98 is a frankenjob of MS-DOS kernel and 98 kernel. There was a
CLI available (which I assume means the DOS kernel versus just a command
shell). If you don't really want Windows 98 in the VM and are looking
for a free DOS-type of operating system to run in the VM then you could
use FreeDOS in the VM.

"It comes [Windows 98 came] on the computer" sure sounds like it is a
pre-installed OEM license which means it is locked to that computer and
cannot be used in a VM. An OEM license doesn't care it if sits idle.
Having a spare and unfettered license to Windows to utilize it within a
VM is what stops a lot of users from using VMs running Windows: there's
the expense of another unfettered Windows license needed for the VM.
No, there is no Microsoft police that will come to arrest you nor will
they file a lawsuit. It's you deciding whether or not to comply with
the terms of the contract to use Windows. Lots of users find all sorts
of excuses to do what they want because they can get away with it. If
there is no perception of penalty, many people will steal. They have
adaptive morality which means they don't have any unless they fear
punishment. If you visit eBay, there are lots of sellers distributing
NFR (not for resale) versions Windows and all those sales are illegal.
eBay doesn't enforce their own rules because they want their
auctioneer's commission on sales.

Read the EULA carefully. Some users read more than what is specified
there and other users don't read it at all. For example, the EULA for
Windows XP only restricts that you cannot run a license for Windows XP
on multiple computers at the same time; i.e., only one installation
instance can be active at a time. You can actually install it on
multiple computers or multiple drives you swap into the same computer
but only one of those instances can be active at a time. We checked
with Microsoft and found putting it on multiple HDDs (so we had
different setups under which to test) was valid per the EULA and was
legit with them. The HDD that was currently inserted in the computer
was running the only active instance of the license. Microsoft has
adapted their EULA over time but back then the terms were more lax.
Often users read more than what was actually stipulated in the EULA. Of
course, you couldn't have both the host OS and the guest OS running the
same license of Windows because obviously there were 2 active instances
of that OS running. I haven't bothered to go find a Windows 98 EULA to
see its terms; however, since it looks like you only have an OEM license
of Windows 98 that was already pre-installed on the real computer then
the OEM license probably got "used up" and you cannot use it within a
VM.

An online search will find someone who saved a copy of the Windows 98
EULA to put online. http://ftp.sustech.edu/Books/linux-book/eula98.html
(don't which edition you have so I looked for a plain vanilla edition)
is one. Notice it says you can use the license on a single computer.
That does not restrict you from using the license on multiple computer
but only one of them can be running Windows 98 at a time. That means
you cannot have that license as both the host and guest OS. I didn't
see any conditions that differ use of the license between full and OEM
versions.

Again, the Windows 98 EULA would be the final authority as to how and
where you deploy its [OEM] license. So it could be you could reuse the
OEM license of Windows 98 that was pre-installed on your old computer
*if* the EULA doesn't have restrictions against such multiple
deployment. Go by what the EULA says, only what it says, and don't read
more in it that it actually says. You agreed to that contract, not to
someone's interpreted version of it. Licenses for later versions of
Windows do not retroactively apply to prior versions of Windows. You
are liable only to the terms of an existing contract, not all future
contracts or even any modifications to contracts (to which you don't
agree as a party to the contract).

Did you ever try to boot using the "ISO disc" using the host OS (the
real OS) to see if that disc was really bootable? In addition, you can
use IsoBuster (it has a crippled free version) to look at the contents
of an .iso file (that you would eventually burn to a disc to have a
bootable disc).
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Old April 21st 15, 05:48 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Did you ever try to boot using the "ISO disc" using the host OS (the
real OS) to see if that disc was really bootable? In addition, you can
use IsoBuster (it has a crippled free version) to look at the contents
of an .iso file (that you would eventually burn to a disc to have a
bootable disc).


The iso I have is booting in the VM now. I never tried this copy of 98se
burned to an actual cd but have others. I always like 98. I always set it to
not boot in ui mode just good old dos. Then I coiuld always type if I
remember "win" and it would boot windows. No more windows on dos. All
windows with a "dos box"

Bill


 




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