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Old February 16th 12, 01:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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Lee wrote in news:25d5b0c0-d023-4d66-acfe-
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Sorry to expose your prejudices in public like this, but the rural
poor really do have to live with dial up speeds and the decided lack
of decent 'give away' computers such as you describe. What I got
instead is a big city recycler who wants $800 for the system you
describe as walking away with me from some non-exsistant dump site.
They don't have drop-off depots at these rural, EPA compliant
landfills, just the recycler in the big city who wants $80 for a 5.25
inch floppy drive.


That sounds closer to the truth than his view, I remember a guy who was in
the Californian mountains, and alternately and frequently praised and
chastised the ISP's 'single transistor'.

The best way to build on the cheap is to get locally some old machine with a
case and a decent PSU, doesn't matter what's in it. A crude guide to a good
PSU is weight, the heavier, the better. It really DOES work that way because
good ones make better use of space, densely packing inductor cores and
heatsinking.

After you have that, get the rest on eBay. Given how much research has to go
into building a machine, it's easy to spot the flakes and frauds and buy from
a good seller who knows and cares about what they sell. Most computer innards
are small and light and cheap to mail long distances. It makes no sense to
limit to a locality for this. When people want specific cound cards, they do
it globally. I sold an Echo Darla 20 bit PCI card to a guy in eastern Europe,
Latvia I think.

When eBay sellers only have a picyure of their company logo and want 200
bucks to ship a SINGLE TRANSISTOR (did I mention those? overseas, stay
well away, never mind the eighty dollar 5" drive, there are some REAL
shysters on eBay. True insanity, some of it. No-one but a moron spending govt
money would even consider buying, looking at their 'completed listing' shows
the desert those guys make for themselves. I have to wonder why they do it.
Making themslves look that special, that expensive, just isolates them so
much that they can't trade, so if they DO trade, they're using the impossible
front, as a literal front, for something they're not declaring, something
hidden behind the usual law-book of terms and conditions they flood their
eBay pages with. Which is another damn good reason not to get involved with
them. One day the FBI may go through their records and find your details on
them. Probably wise not to go there... (I discovered I'd traded with a guy
who was using me and others to run a shipping-based tax fraud. He was
EXTREMELY polite and generous to me when I gently pointed it out to him,
but I'm sure they're not all that obliging).

So apart from some really strange stuff to avoid, eBay usually helps a lot
more than not.
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Old February 16th 12, 03:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Robert Macy[_2_]
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On Jan 25, 9:59*am, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:35*am, 98 Guy wrote:





Robert Macy wrote:
And by the way, is there a reason why you're so insistent to NOT
try Firefox 2.0.0.20 instead of sticking to IE6?


guess time to use Firefox, as the 'extra' browser.


Why is IE6 your "first" browser?


People using XP and higher have the "luxury" or ability to use more
recent versions of IE (like IE8) if they like IE. *People using
win-9x/me don't have the ability to use more recent versions of IE -
they (we) are stuck with IE6.


And like I've said for several years now, IE6 is a horrible browser even
when compared to the 4-year-old version of Firefox (2.0.0.20).


I still want to know why you're so fixated on using IE6 as your default
or main web-browser. *You must surely see how poorly it renders many web
pages.


When I selected octave's shortcut and checked disable, indeed
octave opens and operates. *BUT! all the paths, and libraries
aren't found now.


So, does that mean SEQUENCE is important, or will octave always
lose stuff now?


KernelEx will -NOT- affect how or where an application program keeps
it's files and settings or the ability of a program to find it's own
files.


If you remember the instructions I gave you in a previous post - about
making a change in the registry that identifies which version of Windows
you have, and for the purpose of installing Flash to set that
information to make it seem that your system is running some version of
NT (specifically, Windows XP).


If you made those changes during the course of installing Flash, you
should then set that information back to what it was - to indicate that
your system is running Windows 98. *If you don't, any new software you
install will think you are running NT/XP and will *probably* store user
and program data files in locations more consistent with NT/XP.


If I go back and uninstall KernelEX and then reinstall octave and then
reinstall KernelEx; it should work correctly. *right?


Don't un-install kernelEx.


If you made the registry changes I mentioned in a previous post, then
now you must un-do them.


What you *SHOULD* do is un-install Octave, and then do this: *Find the
Octave installation file (the one you launch to start the octave
installation process) and right-click on the file and select properties
and change it's KernelEx setting to "disable KernelEx extensions". *That
way, it should install as if it's really on a win-98 system.


What KernelEx *might* do - as a side effect - is to give a program the
false impression that you're running XP. *This can happen both during
the initial installation of the program and later during normal usage of
the program. *Your Octave program, during installation, might think that
it's running on an XP system during installation. *So you might have to
set the KernelEx properties of the installation file to "disable
KernelEx extentions".


But, this brings up interesting problems, suppose for some reason
I must start again:
Install KernelEx
Install program that NEEDS KernelEx
Need to install program 'pre'kernelex and program will not operate
properly if installed with KernelEx installed?
what happens if KernelEx is uninstalled out form under, say the flash
player? Does that cause a problem?


Once you install KernelEx, you should not un-install it.


For any pre-existing programs that don't work properly after KernelEx is
installed, you DON'T un-install those programs - instead you change
their kernelEx settings to "disable kernelEx extensions".


For any new programs you install later, if they don't install and run
properly the reason could be that:


(a) they are intended to be run on XP or higher and even kernelEx can't
help them run on a win-98 system, or


(b) they must have their installation program set to "disable kernelEx
extentions", or


(c) they are intended to be run on XP and higher, and KernelEx *can*
make it possible for them to run on a win-98 system, but the
installation process for them requires you to follow some specific
instructions (eg - Java and Flash) because the normal or default
installation method will not work.


Or, Is it that everytime I want to reinstall a Win98 version of
something I need to remove EVERYTHING KernelEx needs and then
remove KernelEX and then reinstall everything back in exact
sequence?


No. *Definately not.


I guess the important question is:
Do you know if installing a Win98 program the program is badly
affected by having KernelEx already installed?


I have quite a bit of software on my win-98 systems (Office 2000,
Coreldraw, etc) and the installation of KernelEx did not affect those
programs.


I've been running KernelEx for about 3 years not, and have never needed
to un-install it, and I have installed many new programs since
installing KernelEx.


Again Opera is my MAIN browser

Only fall back to IE6 when Opera fails, which is more often than I'd
like. Bt, those are once in awhile websites.

I 'think' I found the problems:
octave did not work at all because I did not know to right click,
select properties, and disable KernelEx.

Next, in the rush and crush to uninstall octave and reinstall octave I
then bypassed a slow section that was not quite done - containing PATH
and History etc *When octave installs, it says it's done when it is
NOT! there are a couple of DOS screens that pop up and need to finish,
too. That is why octave 'almost worked' after disabling KernelEx.

Since I had not done a complete anything with kernelex. I had only
installed KernelEx, by itself, nothing else [that needed it] after
that; I uninstalled KernelEx. Reinstalled octave, taking my time, and
checking that it completely installed, yes. It runs FINE.

I now reinstalled KernelEx and am in the process of setting all 30 exe
files of octave to disable KernelEX.for them.I am pretty confident
everything for octave will be back to normal.

Will let you know.

If I use Opera to go that website to check Java version, it says zip,
nada, nyet! *But, IE6 at the same website says Java 1.5.11

Which means I don't know how to set up Opera yet, although I use it
almost 100% of the time. *One of my main gripes with Opera is that
setup is NOT intuitive, but USING Opera is incredibly intuitive, which
doesn't make sense.

Anyway the culmination is, octave after being properly/completely
installed works fine, just have to disable KernelEx.


Don't know where else to post this update, but to reply to myself.

I got 3 weeks of Walgreen's weekly ads BEFORE they require latest Java
that is NOT compatible with Win98!

Absolutely crazy, lazy !@#$#!@# sofltware people! All I need are the
images, like they used to do in .jpg to view off-line at leisure.

But NO, instead of getting an image, taken off to java update page and
nothing! Contacting the website managers through the supplied 800
number [now that is a nice feature] yielded only arote answer "You
need the latest Java" and not any mention of alternative, or
workarounds, nothing. Just don't care. Guess they're paid by
corporate, got their money, and all the people running Win7 are not
complaining.

Trying to hand money to a store chain that does not want my business,
eh?

Ok, I'll keep my money, I can use it if they don't want it.
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Old February 16th 12, 04:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Try 15 year old hardware that I built myself from JDR.com.
I haven't been able to afford another one since.


One thing you can try, if you get the chance: Mini ITX. The boards
are small, the connectors are standard, and because most of the
video and audio is built in, it's MUCH easier to get reliable
operation out of them.


That is not very good advice.

Judging by the comments I read in various product reviews made by
customers, mini-itx boards have a higher rate of DOE (dead on arrival)
and early failure (due to high density parts placement, overheating,
etc) than standard-sized ATX boards.

It's foolhardy to recommend an ITX board to someone that wants to run
win-98, expecially to someone on a budget.

it's MUCH easier to get reliable operation out of them.


Totally false.

Take a regular-sized ATX desktop or tower case and put a regular-sized
ATX motherboard in it, and from a cooling pov you've got something that
is far more reliable / trouble-free than a mini-ITX solution.

ITX boards are at least 50% more expensive than ATX boards with
equivalent processing power. And they take more putzing with to
assemble. Enclosures (cases, chasis, etc) are also more expensive.

The only role I see mini-ITX playing is in the home-theater / set-top
box situation, where you want really small size. But expect to pay $120
to $180 (plus cpu) for a mini-itx board with decent multimedia
performance.

The MII12000 board will easily run W98 SE,


That board is 8 years old.

Why would anyone want to struggle with an 8-year-old motherboard at this
point?
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Old February 16th 12, 04:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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98 Guy wrote in :

Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Try 15 year old hardware that I built myself from JDR.com.
I haven't been able to afford another one since.


One thing you can try, if you get the chance: Mini ITX. The boards
are small, the connectors are standard, and because most of the
video and audio is built in, it's MUCH easier to get reliable
operation out of them.


That is not very good advice.

Judging by the comments I read in various product reviews made by
customers, mini-itx boards have a higher rate of DOE (dead on arrival)
and early failure (due to high density parts placement, overheating,
etc) than standard-sized ATX boards.

It's foolhardy to recommend an ITX board to someone that wants to run
win-98, expecially to someone on a budget.

it's MUCH easier to get reliable operation out of them.


Totally false.

Take a regular-sized ATX desktop or tower case and put a regular-sized
ATX motherboard in it, and from a cooling pov you've got something that
is far more reliable / trouble-free than a mini-ITX solution.

ITX boards are at least 50% more expensive than ATX boards with
equivalent processing power. And they take more putzing with to
assemble. Enclosures (cases, chasis, etc) are also more expensive.

The only role I see mini-ITX playing is in the home-theater / set-top
box situation, where you want really small size. But expect to pay $120
to $180 (plus cpu) for a mini-itx board with decent multimedia
performance.

The MII12000 board will easily run W98 SE,


That board is 8 years old.

Why would anyone want to struggle with an 8-year-old motherboard at this
point?


They work for me. And it makes sense to suggest a board that is small, cheap,
complete, and contemporary with the OS someone wants to run on it. You DID
know that ITX boards fit into an ATX case, right? If not, I strobgly suggest
that people listen to someone who HAS had plenty of experience using them,
instead of you.

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Old February 16th 12, 04:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lostgallifreyan
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98 Guy wrote in :

The only role I see mini-ITX playing is in the home-theater / set-top
box situation, where you want really small size. But expect to pay $120
to $180 (plus cpu) for a mini-itx board with decent multimedia
performance.


No. Don't. Unless you want to buy from some shyster who over-inflates the
price. I did mention that, in some detail. Perhaps you missed it. I know you
think I talk too much, but actually, it is you who reads too little. Put some
effort into it.

Mini ITX (or any small board with standard connectors made for industry) is a
good spend if you look around, because the support is far better than for
consumer boards. Also, I was specifically answering a guy who is likely not
after top end multimedia. Or did you igonre his context (AGAIN) as well as
mine?
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Old February 16th 12, 05:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Robert Macy used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:

I got 3 weeks of Walgreen's weekly ads BEFORE they require latest
Java that is NOT compatible with Win98!


Did you actually see a message mentioning java?

Contacting the website managers through the supplied 800
number [now that is a nice feature] yielded only arote answer
"You need the latest Java" and not any mention of alternative,
or workarounds, nothing. Just don't care.


The problem is not java.

Actually, I don't think that site uses java. They do use javascript
(practically all sites do).

The problem is your browser.

Using Opera 11.01, I can bring up the local flyer, which is an Adobe
Flash file.

Using Firefox 2.0.0.20, I can't.

I'll putz with this a little more, but this seems to be the direct link
for the flash file:

http://walgreens.shoplocal.com/walgr.../walgreens.swf

The file is about 700 kb in size. Even using Opera 11.01, I can't seem
to get past entering a zipcode.

I don't have a stand-alone flash player (one that works on win-98
anyways). Maybe someone here can see if they can render that flash file
in win-98 using some method or program...
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Old February 16th 12, 05:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:

The MII12000 board will easily run W98 SE,


That board is 8 years old.

Why would anyone want to struggle with an 8-year-old motherboard
at this point?


They work for me.


And what exactly do you do with them that you couldn't do with a P2 or
P3 motherboard?

And it makes sense to suggest a board that is small, cheap,
complete, and contemporary with the OS someone wants to run
on it.


Let's unpack that sentence one point at a time.

The OP is making no claim that he needs a micro-sized motherboard.

I have my doubts about cheap.

I have my doubts about that board being available at retail at this
point, or otherwise easy to procure.

"Complete" is a red herring. Adding a video card is trivial to an ATX
motherboard. Many of them have on-board video anyways - making them
just as complete.

Contemporary hardware is something we're trying to do better. It's an
odd point to say that somehow running win-98 on 8-year-old contemporary
hardware is a benefit.

You DID know that ITX boards fit into an ATX case, right?


Even if so, it's a small advantage.

Your 8-year-old board will still suck when it comes to processing power
and usability for the OP, and I bet he'll still have mmx problems that
was the motiviation for starting this thread in the first place.

The OP can go on kijiji or ebay and find lots of old P4 motherboards for
$10 to $25 within 25 miles of his location.
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Old February 16th 12, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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98 Guy wrote in :

The OP is making no claim that he needs a micro-sized motherboard.

I have my doubts about cheap.

I have my doubts about that board being available at retail at this
point, or otherwise easy to procure.

"Complete" is a red herring. Adding a video card is trivial to an ATX
motherboard. Many of them have on-board video anyways - making them
just as complete.


Have all the doubts you want, denial is easy. I have a few of those Via
boards, because they came up so dirt cheap I could afford to snag them as
they floated by. I've done machines with large ATX and fast CPU's and add-on
AGP boards that would make many gamers blush, but for small cheap boards with
few hassles, and low power consumption, that 'just work', a mini ITX is very
hard to beat. This is for general purpose work, including CAD/CAM and
electonics modelling, it's not just a 'set top box'. You really didn't know
they fitted an ATX case either, you said 'IF' as if I could somehow still be
wrong to fit your devout wish for it to be so.

Lee can do what he likes, but he spoke of limited contexts that were not that
dissimilar to mine, and my BEST solution was in using mini-ITX boards. I
really don't care what you think, when you don't know as much about these
boards as I do, from direct personal experience over at least 5 years. I
don't doubt that there are other viable answers, but unlike you, I chose to
speak from what I DID know, not from what I did not.
 




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