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August 18th 05, 04:52 AM
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-- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message ... Neither apply as I could get that far. The error message was something like, Windows needs vmm32.vxd to start. Since this is a made up file upon install, if it is in the cabs, it is a basic one. Now that I think about it, it might have allowed me to start at least, but I have to wonder if my problem wasn't much more complex. If dibeng is possibly involved as you mentioned earlier, see if this helps: General Protection Fault in Module Dibeng.dll http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q235618/ You can also check on the vmm32 he http://www.generation.net/~hleboeuf/ervmm32.htm You can create a 98 boot disk from any other 98 machine or get one at: http://www.bootdisk.com/ Please read Read1st in the right pane for instructions on how to create the boot disk from the downloaded file. I went there, expecting to find a ready to burn to cd image for booting to cd. I'll try again, maybe I missed that first paragraph. Then again I may have been tired and frustrated. I don't think there are any ready to burn anywhere that I know of. Aside from bootdisk I believe you can create one from here as well: http://www.nu2.nu/bootablecd/ When I tried "cd e:\" it gave me invalid directory? d: is normally my swap file. If E is the partition (volume) you want to see, don't use cd. Once you're looking at E then use cd to change directories in E. Simply type e:\ at the prompt to swith to E. The /p is a necessity and thankful it exists. ctrl+c I haven't used as I recall. The way you wrote it, it sounds like some switches can be sticky? No, there not problematic or sticky. Sometimes I go through directories a few times and as soon as I see what I'm looking for (so I think), I use ctrl+c to get back to the prompt so I can then start searching the directory. It's quicker than pressing a key for every page until it gets to the end. Just one HDD, unless you count my attempts at getting a USB to work as advertised. Is the 80GB original or new? If it's the original I think that would rule out the 32GB limit if it was in use before. On the other hand if you are still using the old FDISK, then a limit on HD size could come into play. Fdisk Does Not Recognize Full Size of Hard Disks Larger than 64 GB http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;263044 The main drive was upgraded and then the OS was reinstalled a few times to correct problems. And again, because it is the 98 to SE disk, it will not run unless you are in normal mode. The BIOS of this MOBO is a little strange to me and I haven't yet got a grasp on some of the settings, which I don't know if that has anything to do with what I am about to write. It is a WD drive. I have their tools CD, ver 11 I think. When I would try to boot to it, it would start to do the loading showing it loaded CD driver, DrDos, etc. and when it would get to the point it might have thrown up the utilities on screen, it would freeze. Several attempts gave the same result. I've had that problem with their disks before. I tossed them and downloaded a fresh one from WD. BIOS has a setting to protect against flashing it, but it seems to me some machines have a setting to protect the MBR, which I don't have. Usually a jumper that needs to be changed. Instructions will be with the mobo documentation. If you don't have them you should be able to download them from the manufacturers site. Putting my hands into the box, and bumping power cables, I did notice and itermittant loss of power to the HDD, which I hadn't noticed at all before. I can hear it spin and the lights never indicated a fail. Yet on the cautious side, I inspected a couple of connectors and noticed that the copper, maybe, certainly not gold, were starting to discolor, darken, indicating a normal surface oxidation. Only obvious thing would be that the power was totally off for maybe an hour. Have you checked the fans to make sure they are operating properly, especially the one for the processor? Some mobo's protect against starting if the processor is to hot. You should also check all the cables/connectors and memory modules to make sure they are seated properly. Another possibility is the power supply going bad. And BTW, the utilities on that CD said everything was OK. Even replaced the MBR with a backed up copy created when the HDD was installed, and that didn't help either. And also it wouldn't try to boot to the W98 install disk either, earlier. Nor the ME disk I have. But because the WD utility would try to load it's version of DOS, the drive was obviously working. Makes me suspicious of something? Just because WD's utils attempts to load doesn't mean the drive is healthy. It will load even if there is not a WD drive installed and will mention it when you try to run any tests. After too many failed tape recovery systems, I had decided to dabble with external USB HDD. Thoughts on this are welcome as well and BTW this isn't going to well either. Can't break 15MB/s on USB2. And it came with GHOST, Ghost is what I use for all my backup images - Networked, NTFS and FAT32. I create the images onto 2 separate hd's and always pray they both don't go at the same time. Ghost creates an exact image of the entire drive/system as it is at the time of creation. If anything should go wrong with the drive/system it can be restored back to the exact state of the latest backup image. Keep in mind that any restoration must be done on a machine with the same hardware and any drives/partitions of the same size or larger. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://basconotw.mvps.org/ Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 
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August 18th 05, 01:59 PM
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My nornally used PC is a tri-boot, 3rd party boot manager, XP/ME/98SE
system. All hidden from each other via the boot manager hiding their individual boot partitions. I already told you how I restore 98SE. On the same hard disk/different partition, I keep a backup of Outlook pst, its automatic via an update for Outlook. And, a buttload of personal files. Still another partition, installation software and hardware drivers are kept. This is FAT32 as well, all the OSes can "see" them. Within the 98SE environment, I use DI2002 to image all partitions except the XP NTFS partition. It will reboot to a temporary virtual floppy image for imaging 98SE. The individual files/folders within the images are visible and restorable while in windows while using Image Explorer, part of DI2002. The boot partition for 98SE must be recovered using a boot diskette with the dos version DI2002 on it. You cannot recover an OS/same partition that you are using is the reason.. In XP, use DI 7.0 (currently succeeded by Ghost 9.0) and write images of all the first hard disk partitions to both a Firewire HD and an ide adapter connected HD. To restore, must boot from the DI 7.0 install CD, it uses a windows PE environment and recognizes the Firewire HD as a result. I finally quit using tape backups a few months ago when my SCSI tape drive failed. This backup system is too expensive and slow compared to an image to hard drive method. Other tape drives, M.O.s, DVD, CD were all examined for possibilities. Either because of expense, slowness, recovery questionability, hardware incompatibility, did I choose not to use these. As an afterthought, I don't know why I pursued the tape method once I established the imaging system on my PC. ME has all the assets of previous windows 9X for using msdos. The only exception is that its hard to get to the real mode version, but not impossible. Have an old version (5.0) of Partition Magic for changing FAT to FAT32 if I wanted that. My more recent boot manager also has that capability as part of its menu. "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message ... Backups seem to be a somewhat confusing problem. Much of it might stem from my first experiences of trying to use MSBackup W95 followed by Colorado Bu for the tape drive, which seems was W3.1, not 32bit and somewhat proprietary as to medium and throw in Seagate which allowed a larger medium on the same drive. This was closer to W98 MSBackup, yet differences. Toss in a number of attempts to back up to CD's with different packages and learn that multi-session burns may not be compatible across different burners or software packages. Yes I'm very confused. If I understand your strategy, you use DriveImage to back up individual partitions, all being FAT32. Is that a requirement? Do you run multiple OS? I have noted that the USB drive will get loaded as if a regular IDE drive, that is it shows up in explorer with other partitions of the main drive shifted. Hence, I must remember to remove it before rebooting. Somewhat a pain, and I haven't found a way around this. Yet, oddly the USB2 port seems to be a separate dedicated jack on the machine. Yet since it appears to be loading in dos, or at least that low level, I have to wonder if there is a way to copy it back to the main drive without loading the OS? Is that the method you are using? Do you know if it works for ME with its very limited DOS? XP? I hate to have to buy tons of software I already own in some form simply because MS deems it old. Sort of sounds like you are removing the drive from its USB housing and then hooking up on its IDE connector??? Reminds me of another trick that might be possible. Using the copy function in the new drive utilities. The way the one for WD works is that you could copy to larger or smaller partitions as long as there is room for the data on that partition. Also has a neat trick in that you can set up the new drive for FAT32 and copy from a FAT16 drive. This I know works, at least in the versions that came on the floppies. I'm not sure that I've used the CD version for that. This would give an up to date copy of your main drive although it might require fooling with hooking and unhooking. But then it brings up whether you are copying something questionable over a good? So are you doing incremental backups? I'm thinking that an active drive is doing automatic refreshs of data on the drive. Possibly a function of the IDE internal drive electronics. Does anyone have an idea how long the data on the disk will remain good on a powered down drive? Since this is a rewritable medium I wouldn't expect it to last as long as a CDR, or maybe even a CDRW. But then maybe enough difference in the technology. Since I don't know anything of DriveImage, except it was touted a good product and much cheaper before Norton bought it (Symantec), I hope you continue to have good luck with it. Whether I try it or not will be based upon it's prospects for the future, XP may be in my future whether I like it or not. And if it not only gives the total restore you claim, although I didn't clearly understand your procedure, but whether it offers some incremental. That is, once I'm sure I've gotten a solid, mostly installed other packages as well, running system, I can make such a total install image. Maybe even make incrementals during the install because of the tremendous amount of time involved in reaching that point without having trouble. (ME has that restore feature which can be very useful). From that point, I'd like to do a major backup, maybe monthly, and retain the previous backup just in case. Of course routine incrementals at least weekly covering any new installs or uninstalls and hopefully, if necessary a separate program just placing a data backup, daily at least, somewhere that might be saved off system or to a separate partition etc. And the more automatic the better. The daily of data I might handle internally by sending them to the other computer. My rambling is evidence of the confusion. Is anything really bullet proof? Norman "Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... Get rid of the current partition, don't reformat it. Your backup may be bad too. USB2 will not work at high speed unless in the proper OS environment. Real mode msdos is not one of them. For partition backups, am continuing to use DriveImage 2002 for all FAT32 partitions on this PC. Its very hard to find nowadays. Will not allow highspeed USB operation though in the recovery, uses msdos environment. Am using a ide adapter, and hard drive connected to that for recovery source. Basically foolproof. "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message ... I would like to have some idea of what hit me. A few mornings back, I find the computer with the vmm32.vxd missing message. Now that I think about it, something must have forced it to reboot as well. To complicate matters, this was an upgraded machine, and the upgrade disk going to SE is the one that only works on 98. That is the machine has to be up and running to install it. And the machine has no floppy and I never got around to making a bootable CD. I manage to get into DOS and get into the windows directory. There are only three folders and most of the files are missing. Are the other partitions of the 80 GB HDD accessible in DOS? Maybe it was me? And now the question of the updated files for the larger HDD come to mind as well. Because I decided to proceed with installing Gold and as soon as completed run the SE upgrade CD. But the scandisk reported numerous errors on C. Other partitions OK. It reported a folder named BAER which aroused my curiosity as I have never had any program, etc. associated with that name on my machine, to the best of my knowledge of course. Any help is greatly appreciated because I really want to avoid this mess again. Current result is that everything will have to be reinstalled. Machine is currently running and everything remains on the other partitions, so most of my data is obviously OK. But on the C drive I have a ton of DIR folders and almost 300 filexxxx.chk files. Registry was obviously lost, hence the total reinstall. And after much sifting, I will likely find most of the other data in those DIR's. After too many failed tape recovery systems, I had decided to dabble with external USB HDD. Thoughts on this are welcome as well and BTW this isn't going to well either. Can't break 15MB/s on USB2. And it came with GHOST, which I have yet installed. I had picked up a copy of Partition Magic 8 at the same time. At least one of these I tried to install and it failed, crashed. I thought I uninstalled, but later found folders/files, associated with some security company that Norton may use as part of antipiracy. I got rid of what I was aware in that area, but now wonder if there was some remnant left that timed out at the 30 day not registered and could have went haywire. What search I've done indicates dibeng.dll or was it dib32.dll need replacing, causation for the vmm32.vxd error, but the files exist in the created DIR's, possibly indicating as well that everything just got scrambled. Definitely need to Get Around to It, and make that bullet proof back up that will act as a recovery. Norman
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August 18th 05, 04:13 PM
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:44:33 -0500, "Brian A."
"E_Net_Rider" wrote in message I would like to have some idea of what hit me. A few mornings back, I find the computer with the vmm32.vxd missing message. Now that I think about it, something must have forced it to reboot as well. Well, several possibilities come to mind: - bad power axis (mains, PSU, motherboard capacitors) - reset - bad RAM, HD, overclocking, bad CPU fan - crash, ?reset - corrupted code secondary to any of above, similar results - active malware payload To complicate matters, this was an upgraded machine, and the upgrade disk going to SE is the one that only works on 98. That is the machine has to be up and running to install it. And the machine has no floppy and I never got around to making a bootable CD. I manage to get into DOS and get into the windows directory. There are only three folders and most of the files are missing. Did you let Scandisk "fix" file system errors? If any of the flakinesses I listed caused a directory entry in the middle of the Windows directory to start with a null, Scandisk will truncate the dir at that point, and throw everything else away - to then be "recovered" as loose .CHK files ...scandisk reported numerous errors on C. Other partitions OK. That's one of the advantages of NOT living in one big doomed C: - the traffic on C: is heavy, and every disk write is a potential disk corruption, if hardware is flaky. Frankly, I'm surprised to read this far and not see anything about MemTest86 or other diagnostics to check RAM, tests to see if the hard drive is failing, PSU and CPU fans checked and working, etc. Start there. Forget about "just" re-installing Windows until that is done, as well as a formal scan for active malware. See... http://cquirke.mvps.org/reinst.htm http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/bthink.htm http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/virtest.htm Have you run a drive integrity check with the manufacturers utlity to make sure the disk is not failing? Now we're getting somewhere... but before that even, check RAM. With bad RAM, a safe "read disk" function call can easily be bit-punned into "write disk" or even chuckle "format track" Any help is greatly appreciated because I really want to avoid this mess again. Current result is that everything will have to be reinstalled. It's a CWOT to "just" re-install if the hardware's bad. ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Proverbs Unscrolled #37 "Build it and they will come and break it" ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
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August 18th 05, 06:58 PM
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There is a "terabyteunlimited.com" server of NEWS (NNTP) of 119, which
provides an informative "public.apps.bootitng" NG. Probably you can get to it somehow from that BootIt NG site, though I don't immediately see it. Mainly that will cover their product of course. Well, at least I did put my backup on a separate HDD. This Compaq 7470 came with it's periodic full system backups on a different partition of the same HDD. It died with the HDD, & I had to use the QuickRestore Full Restore from double CDs to get back to factory condition. You are right something periodic & external is preferable. Some day soon I shall put a second backup to CD-ROM. Good luck in your quest for the perfect backup scheme. I hope you find it before Win98 itself has totally crumbled to dust. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message ... | Hopefully we can stay in touch as to experience in this area. Is there a | group dedicated to such? | I had a look at their site, and wish I had noted it before I bought | partitionMagic. I could have gotten all three for less money. But here | again, I just don't know reliability in real world experience. | There have been a lot of changes in this area of backing up and some CD/DVD | software. Seems a company named Sonic bought up a lot of it. I heard they | acquired Roxio, Stomp, and much of the cheaper packages that Veritas had. | Part of what seems to be my obstacle is backing up entire partitions. CD's | are pretty much on the small side with these larger HDD's and what appears | to be bloating systems. And I have an unanswered question concerning DVD's. | I heard they use packet writing, something advised against using but | available for CD's. So there exists a question unanswered as yet for | reliability. | So a HDD may be the best bet size wise, other than expensive tapes and tape | equipment. | Are you not concerned with leaving the backup drive connected at all times? | I would have to wonder about security and the off chance that if a power | surge or other catastrophe hit. | I guess that is why they recommend off-site storage of a backup if you | really must depend upon it. (;- | With my luck, I might choose to use one of the old machines as a data server | to store everything and someone would steal it leaving the other machines. | | Thanks again for the input. | Norman | | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | I haven't analyzed all of those, & at least one of the URLs doesn't even | work. I do believe BootIT NG will do what you want-- boot from a CD & | restore an Image, but, although I do own that one, I haven't gotten that | fancy yet with it. I merely make a copy (not an Image) of C: to D: on | another HDD every so often. But that HDD is permanently attached. Both | are fully available to Windows when I boot. It is possible to go to a | removable, but, sorry, that is also beyond my experience. The site has | plenty of info, though... | http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.html | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message | ... | | Thanks for the list. | | I have to ask if any are known to be able to make a solid back up to | medium | | that only requires putting in the medium and letting it run to get | back | | where one was? Supposedly GHOST will do that, but I haven't yet tried. | I had | | read in these ms groups where the tendency was to favor bootItNG | maybe, but | | there was a sale, but now I've missed the rebate date with all the | hassle. | | So unlikely near as good a bargain. | | Definitely humor in "should things get worse". | | Can't imagine how at this point, unless the drive up and totally dies | losing | | what data is available. Which is another subject. Which medium is | best? | | Norman | | | | "PCR" wrote in message | | ... | | | Definitely need to Get Around to It, and make that bullet proof | back | | up that | | | will act as a recovery. | | | | Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean | | install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I | | guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties | between | | the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be | backed | | up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the | backup, | | you may need to change it back before a restore. | | | | http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning | strategy | | http://home.wanadoo.nl/geurt/home.html Extended Operating System | Loader | | http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage | | http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver | | http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup | | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup | | capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, | freely | | downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.) | | Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you | | dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To | | install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. | | http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup | | http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free) | | http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial) | | | | | | http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport...&p=hpcdwriter2 | | Simple Backup | | http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free) | | http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/ | | http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info | | http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a | $20 | | yearly charge now. | | http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic | | http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager | | http://www.rescue-me.net/gold.html | | http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups | | http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC | | http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery | | http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc. | | http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander | | http://www.veritas.com Backup apps | | http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free) | | http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free) | | | | All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it | carefully | | and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on | it. | | If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do | a | | Scandisk/Defrag. | | | | http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert | | http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version | | | | Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such | | that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a | favorable | | report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER | | make a full system backup, before wiping Windows. | | | | | | -- | | Thanks or Good Luck, | | There may be humor in this post, and, | | Naturally, you will not sue, | | should things get worse after this, | | PCR | | | | "E_Net_Rider" wrote in message | | ... | | | I would like to have some idea of what hit me. | | | A few mornings back, I find the computer with the vmm32.vxd | missing | | message. | | | Now that I think about it, something must have forced it to reboot | as | | well. | | | To complicate matters, this was an upgraded machine, and the | upgrade | | disk | | | going to SE is the one that only works on 98. That is the machine | has | | to be | | | up and running to install it. And the machine has no floppy and I | | never got | | | around to making a bootable CD. I manage to get into DOS and get | into | | the | | | windows directory. There are only three folders and most of the | files | | are | | | missing. | | | | | | Are the other partitions of the 80 GB HDD accessible in DOS? Maybe | it | | was | | | me? | | | And now the question of the updated files for the larger HDD come | to | | mind as | | | well. Because I decided to proceed with installing Gold and as | soon as | | | completed run the SE upgrade CD. But the scandisk reported | numerous | | errors | | | on C. Other partitions OK. It reported a folder named BAER which | | aroused my | | | curiosity as I have never had any program, etc. associated with | that | | name on | | | my machine, to the best of my knowledge of course. | | | | | | Any help is greatly appreciated because I really want to avoid | this | | mess | | | again. Current result is that everything will have to be | reinstalled. | | | Machine is currently running and everything remains on the other | | partitions, | | | so most of my data is obviously OK. But on the C drive I have a | ton of | | DIR | | | folders and almost 300 filexxxx.chk files. Registry was obviously | | lost, | | | hence the total reinstall. And after much sifting, I will likely | find | | most | | | of the other data in those DIR's. | | | | | | After too many failed tape recovery systems, I had decided to | dabble | | with | | | external USB HDD. Thoughts on this are welcome as well and BTW | this | | isn't | | | going to well either. Can't break 15MB/s on USB2. And it came with | | GHOST, | | | which I have yet installed. I had picked up a copy of Partition | Magic | | 8 at | | | the same time. At least one of these I tried to install and it | failed, | | | crashed. I thought I uninstalled, but later found folders/files, | | associated | | | with some security company that Norton may use as part of | antipiracy. | | I got | | | rid of what I was aware in that area, but now wonder if there was | some | | | remnant left that timed out at the 30 day not registered and could | | have went | | | haywire. What search I've done indicates dibeng.dll or was it | | dib32.dll need | | | replacing, causation for the vmm32.vxd error, but the files exist | in | | the | | | created DIR's, possibly indicating as well that everything just | got | | | scrambled. | | | | | | Definitely need to Get Around to It, and make that bullet proof | back | | up that | | | will act as a recovery. | | | | | | Norman | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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