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"ms" wrote in message
Rick, this is a different question. In one of the links you gave me, Fred Langa said he DELETED WinME and installed in it's place W98SE. Normally, he is very careful with wording in his articles. Is it really that simple? Yes, but simple is only relative to each persons experience of knowing what to do in relation to how many times they have done it. To go from ME to SE again surly one would simply reformat the partition, and then do a from scratch fresh install of SE, and is the only thing he could of meant by saying 'deleted' and reinstall. It's a 1 hour job for those who do it everyday, but if you personally have never done that procedure yet, then plan on a day/s. Compared to how long it took you figuring out how to run that delbin.bat, you will have your hands more than full to attempt this project. W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK. I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please clarify. Also, this is a 9 year old 700 MHZ Dell, do they do typically do anything nasty to cause trouble doing the above? Well I still have my Mom's (god bless her) old Dell Laptop laptop from back then too sitting over on the shelf keeping it only in remembrance of her, and it's similar to your specs and it was cutting edge in it's time (hard to believe nowadays) ..but the thing is pretty slow comparatively to today's models. Every time I boot it up (once a year in remembrance) I twiddle my thumbs waiting for it to get out of it's own way (comparatively) What do you want to use it for? Anyway, it's up to you what you want to do with it whether you want to install SE or ME on it - either won't cause any trouble, although a new laptop would be nice heh nite, Rick Thanks, MS |
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
"ms" wrote in message Rick, this is a different question. In one of the links you gave me, Fred Langa said he DELETED WinME and installed in it's place W98SE. Normally, he is very careful with wording in his articles. Is it really that simple? Yes, but simple is only relative to each persons experience of knowing what to do in relation to how many times they have done it. To go from ME to SE again surly one would simply reformat the partition, and then do a from scratch fresh install of SE, and is the only thing he could of meant by saying 'deleted' and reinstall. It's a 1 hour job for those who do it everyday, but if you personally have never done that procedure yet, then plan on a day/s. Compared to how long it took you figuring out how to run that delbin.bat, you will have your hands more than full to attempt this project. Yes, I'm sure of that. W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK. I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please clarify. I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? Also, this is a 9 year old 700 MHZ Dell, do they do typically do anything nasty to cause trouble doing the above? Well I still have my Mom's (god bless her) old Dell Laptop laptop from back then too sitting over on the shelf keeping it only in remembrance of her, and it's similar to your specs and it was cutting edge in it's time (hard to believe nowadays) ..but the thing is pretty slow comparatively to today's models. Every time I boot it up (once a year in remembrance) I twiddle my thumbs waiting for it to get out of it's own way (comparatively) What do you want to use it for? Anyway, it's up to you what you want to do with it whether you want to install SE or ME on it - either won't cause any trouble, although a new laptop would be nice heh nite, Rick I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it, the previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the Dell one. So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on the Dell, too. Probably quicker, too. MS |
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Just to butt in on Rick's territory...
I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98 to ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and go back to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest sense. It's closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a blank disk and start again. The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times - booting to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but leaving the file system intact with a select few files/folders. For instance, with an OS that insists on being installed as an upgrade only, you can install to an otherwise clean drive containing a folder called Windows, containing only a file called WIN.COM (and not even a real win.com, just a renamed text file will do). If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to a clean drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming Win.com so that the installer doesn't find it! Shane |
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"ms" wrote in message
Rick Chauvin wrote: [...] Since I live in the North East of the US the cold front and resulting very strong wind storm that went through early yesterday knocked out transmission poles all over the place - and so we were without power for a day, etc... brrrrr Is it really that simple? W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK. I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please clarify. I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? Okay I see what you meant but the wording threw me at first where when we were talking about ME you said "W98SE wants to be uninstalled" and so that was interesting wording. OS's can't be uninstalled per sey really, and so I had answered that before by saying what Langa or whomever it was must of meant by randomly not being clear saying 'deleting' could only mean to format just as Shane also replied - but also the other variances Shane expanded further upon are true too of course. [...] I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it, the previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the Dell one. Are you sure it wasn't a 33k or 22k modem? Don't think I've ever heard of a 1 So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on the Dell, too. Probably quicker, too. Since you have more than one, and if you want, and if your up to it, might as well just do a fresh install of whichever your OS pleasure is. If you are a techie at heart or just love electronics like most of us here do - it can be a lot of fun and a great learning experience especially when you have another computer and so you are not forced to have it working all at one time, or one day, and rush; actually though going through the OS install screens and procedure only takes 20 to 40 minutes (depending on how fast your computer specs are to copy/install/assimilate the CD's contents) ...or similarly if your like me and many you place the SE CD's Win98 folder content directly within (creating) the C:\WINDOWS\Options\Cabs folder first and then run setup from there via a boot disk - giving the few advantages that can give etc . Have Phun MS |
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"Shane" wrote in message
Just to butt in on Rick's territory... Actually Shane it was me coming in onto you guys groups territory ..yes I know it's a public forum and is everyone's, but out of respect I see yourself and Noel spend so much quality volunteer time helping others in the ME group, for conversation sake I'll call it yours group ..and by all means chime in anytime you would like - all of your help and knowledge and valuable time you all volunteer is appreciated. My own schedule these days does not allow me to post as much as I would like. Thanks, Rick I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98 to ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and go back to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest sense. It's closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a blank disk and start again. The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times - booting to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but leaving the file system intact with a select few files/folders. For instance, with an OS that insists on being installed as an upgrade only, you can install to an otherwise clean drive containing a folder called Windows, containing only a file called WIN.COM (and not even a real win.com, just a renamed text file will do). If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to a clean drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming Win.com so that the installer doesn't find it! Shane |
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
"ms" wrote in message Rick Chauvin wrote: [...] Since I live in the North East of the US the cold front and resulting very strong wind storm that went through early yesterday knocked out transmission poles all over the place - and so we were without power for a day, etc... brrrrr Is it really that simple? W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK. I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please clarify. I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? Okay I see what you meant but the wording threw me at first where when we were talking about ME you said "W98SE wants to be uninstalled" and so that was interesting wording. OS's can't be uninstalled per sey really, and so I had answered that before by saying what Langa or whomever it was must of meant by randomly not being clear saying 'deleting' could only mean to format just as Shane also replied - but also the other variances Shane expanded further upon are true too of course. [...] I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it, the previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the Dell one. Are you sure it wasn't a 33k or 22k modem? Don't think I've ever heard of a 1 So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on the Dell, too. Probably quicker, too. Since you have more than one, and if you want, and if your up to it, might as well just do a fresh install of whichever your OS pleasure is. If you are a techie at heart or just love electronics like most of us here do - it can be a lot of fun and a great learning experience especially when you have another computer and so you are not forced to have it working all at one time, or one day, and rush; actually though going through the OS install screens and procedure only takes 20 to 40 minutes (depending on how fast your computer specs are to copy/install/assimilate the CD's contents) ..or similarly if your like me and many you place the SE CD's Win98 folder content directly within (creating) the C:\WINDOWS\Options\Cabs folder first and then run setup from there via a boot disk - giving the few advantages that can give etc . Have Phun MS I'm not a techie, just an average user. Someday when I feel braver, I will "convert" the Dell ME to W98SE. When I do, I will probably be on the W98 ng. I've seen you there recently, didn't see Shane, but maybe I missed him. I only go to these ng's with a problem, there is so much interesting stuff, I can't save it all. I have installed W98SE, but have to brush up on things like Fdisk, as I need to create some partitions. BTW, the modem in properties was in fact a 1.2 KB modem, I'd never heard of that, the previous owner took out the default Dell modem and put in this one to dump at a garage same. Luckily I got it free. MS |
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Shane wrote:
Just to butt in on Rick's territory... I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have uninstalled ME? You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98 to ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and go back to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest sense. It's closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a blank disk and start again. The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times - booting to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but leaving the file system intact with a select few files/folders. For instance, with an OS that insists on being installed as an upgrade only, you can install to an otherwise clean drive containing a folder called Windows, containing only a file called WIN.COM (and not even a real win.com, just a renamed text file will do). If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to a clean drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming Win.com so that the installer doesn't find it! Shane Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it. Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng? MS |
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Just to butt in on Rick's territory...
Actually Shane it was me coming in onto you guys groups territory ..yes I know it's a public forum and is everyone's, but out of respect I see yourself and Noel spend so much quality volunteer time helping others in the ME group, for conversation sake I'll call it yours group ..and by all means chime in anytime you would like - all of your help and knowledge and valuable time you all volunteer is appreciated. My own schedule these days does not allow me to post as much as I would like. I can't quite figure whether I agree or disagree with you! I suspect this group is unique due to the nature of the Win ME OS - that is, the type of people who use it, and the type who in despising it mostly stay away. imo more than any other group, this one's like a social club, you know? Win 3.x groups attract real crazies, DOS groups are expert-only, plenty of good guys use 98, but so do the 9x fascists, etc etc etc. Ok so it's only a hypothesis, but what's important is *I* believe it! :-) Seriously, anyone who wants to help, who values an atmosphere of mutual respect and who'd rather read or write a gag than a complaint, is welcome here. I did post a hell of a lot of (attempted) help once upon a time, but post comparatively little these days. Noel remains prolific though! Shane |
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If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it. You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for certain). Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still run, those that aren't no longer can be!). Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng? No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98 group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it! Shane |
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Shane wrote:
If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it. You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for certain). Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still run, those that aren't no longer can be!). Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng? No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98 group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it! Shane Then later, I may commit sacrilege and post a W98 question here. For me, help is where you get it. Mike Sa |
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