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Old February 17th 06, 02:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"ms" wrote in message


Rick, this is a different question. In one of the links you gave me,
Fred Langa said he DELETED WinME and installed in it's place W98SE.
Normally, he is very careful with wording in his articles.

Is it really that simple?


Yes, but simple is only relative to each persons experience of knowing what
to do in relation to how many times they have done it. To go from ME to SE
again surly one would simply reformat the partition, and then do a from
scratch fresh install of SE, and is the only thing he could of meant by
saying 'deleted' and reinstall. It's a 1 hour job for those who do it
everyday, but if you personally have never done that procedure yet, then
plan on a day/s. Compared to how long it took you figuring out how to run
that delbin.bat, you will have your hands more than full to attempt this
project.

W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK.


I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please
clarify.

Also, this is a 9 year old 700 MHZ Dell, do they do typically do
anything nasty to cause trouble doing the above?


Well I still have my Mom's (god bless her) old Dell Laptop laptop from back
then too sitting over on the shelf keeping it only in remembrance of her,
and it's similar to your specs and it was cutting edge in it's time (hard
to believe nowadays) ..but the thing is pretty slow comparatively to
today's models. Every time I boot it up (once a year in remembrance) I
twiddle my thumbs waiting for it to get out of it's own way (comparatively)
What do you want to use it for? Anyway, it's up to you what you want to do
with it whether you want to install SE or ME on it - either won't cause any
trouble, although a new laptop would be nice heh

nite,
Rick


Thanks,

MS








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Old February 17th 06, 04:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
"ms" wrote in message



Rick, this is a different question. In one of the links you gave me,
Fred Langa said he DELETED WinME and installed in it's place W98SE.
Normally, he is very careful with wording in his articles.

Is it really that simple?



Yes, but simple is only relative to each persons experience of knowing what
to do in relation to how many times they have done it. To go from ME to SE
again surly one would simply reformat the partition, and then do a from
scratch fresh install of SE, and is the only thing he could of meant by
saying 'deleted' and reinstall. It's a 1 hour job for those who do it
everyday, but if you personally have never done that procedure yet, then
plan on a day/s. Compared to how long it took you figuring out how to run
that delbin.bat, you will have your hands more than full to attempt this
project.


Yes, I'm sure of that.

W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK.



I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please
clarify.

I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they need to
be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have
uninstalled ME?


Also, this is a 9 year old 700 MHZ Dell, do they do typically do
anything nasty to cause trouble doing the above?



Well I still have my Mom's (god bless her) old Dell Laptop laptop from back
then too sitting over on the shelf keeping it only in remembrance of her,
and it's similar to your specs and it was cutting edge in it's time (hard
to believe nowadays) ..but the thing is pretty slow comparatively to
today's models. Every time I boot it up (once a year in remembrance) I
twiddle my thumbs waiting for it to get out of it's own way (comparatively)
What do you want to use it for? Anyway, it's up to you what you want to do
with it whether you want to install SE or ME on it - either won't cause any
trouble, although a new laptop would be nice heh

nite,
Rick

I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it, the
previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the Dell one.

So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on the Dell,
too. Probably quicker, too.

MS
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Old February 17th 06, 11:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Just to butt in on Rick's territory...

I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they

need to
be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have
uninstalled ME?


You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98 to
ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and go back
to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest sense. It's
closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a blank disk and
start again.

The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times - booting
to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but leaving the
file system intact with a select few files/folders. For instance, with an OS
that insists on being installed as an upgrade only, you can install to an
otherwise clean drive containing a folder called Windows, containing only a
file called WIN.COM (and not even a real win.com, just a renamed text file
will do). If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files
and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes
from the new install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to
a clean drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming
Win.com so that the installer doesn't find it!

Shane


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Old February 18th 06, 04:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"ms" wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:


[...]
Since I live in the North East of the US the cold front and resulting very
strong wind storm that went through early yesterday knocked out
transmission poles all over the place - and so we were without power for a
day, etc... brrrrr

Is it really that simple? W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please
clarify.


I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since
they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So
he must have uninstalled ME?


Okay I see what you meant but the wording threw me at first where when we
were talking about ME you said "W98SE wants to be uninstalled" and so
that was interesting wording. OS's can't be uninstalled per sey really,
and so I had answered that before by saying what Langa or whomever it was
must of meant by randomly not being clear saying 'deleting' could only mean
to format just as Shane also replied - but also the other variances Shane
expanded further upon are true too of course.

[...]

I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it,
the previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the
Dell one.


Are you sure it wasn't a 33k or 22k modem? Don't think I've ever heard of
a 1

So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on
the Dell, too. Probably quicker, too.


Since you have more than one, and if you want, and if your up to it, might
as well just do a fresh install of whichever your OS pleasure is. If you
are a techie at heart or just love electronics like most of us here do - it
can be a lot of fun and a great learning experience especially when you
have another computer and so you are not forced to have it working all at
one time, or one day, and rush; actually though going through the OS
install screens and procedure only takes 20 to 40 minutes (depending on how
fast your computer specs are to copy/install/assimilate the CD's contents)
...or similarly if your like me and many you place the SE CD's Win98 folder
content directly within (creating) the C:\WINDOWS\Options\Cabs folder first
and then run setup from there via a boot disk - giving the few advantages
that can give etc . Have Phun

MS











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Old February 18th 06, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"Shane" wrote in message

Just to butt in on Rick's territory...


Actually Shane it was me coming in onto you guys groups territory ..yes
I know it's a public forum and is everyone's, but out of respect I see
yourself and Noel spend so much quality volunteer time helping others in
the ME group, for conversation sake I'll call it yours group ..and by
all means chime in anytime you would like - all of your help and knowledge
and valuable time you all volunteer is appreciated. My own schedule these
days does not allow me to post as much as I would like.

Thanks,
Rick


I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since
they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So
he must have uninstalled ME?


You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98
to ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and
go back to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest
sense. It's closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a
blank disk and start again.

The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times -
booting to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but
leaving the file system intact with a select few files/folders. For
instance, with an OS that insists on being installed as an upgrade only,
you can install to an otherwise clean drive containing a folder called
Windows, containing only a file called WIN.COM (and not even a real
win.com, just a renamed text file will do). If you don't want to do an
upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the
latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders
unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new
install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to a clean
drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming Win.com
so that the installer doesn't find it!

Shane








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Old February 18th 06, 11:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
"ms" wrote in message


Rick Chauvin wrote:



[...]
Since I live in the North East of the US the cold front and resulting very
strong wind storm that went through early yesterday knocked out
transmission poles all over the place - and so we were without power for a
day, etc... brrrrr


Is it really that simple? W98SE wants to be uninstalled, AFAIK.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying SE wants to be uninstalled? Please
clarify.



I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since
they need to be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So
he must have uninstalled ME?



Okay I see what you meant but the wording threw me at first where when we
were talking about ME you said "W98SE wants to be uninstalled" and so
that was interesting wording. OS's can't be uninstalled per sey really,
and so I had answered that before by saying what Langa or whomever it was
must of meant by randomly not being clear saying 'deleting' could only mean
to format just as Shane also replied - but also the other variances Shane
expanded further upon are true too of course.

[...]


I use it to try out installs, as I can't get a PCI modem to work in it,
the previous owner put a *1* KB (I'm not kidding) modem in place of the
Dell one.



Are you sure it wasn't a 33k or 22k modem? Don't think I've ever heard of
a 1


So since I'm used to working in W98SE, it would be nice to have it on
the Dell, too. Probably quicker, too.



Since you have more than one, and if you want, and if your up to it, might
as well just do a fresh install of whichever your OS pleasure is. If you
are a techie at heart or just love electronics like most of us here do - it
can be a lot of fun and a great learning experience especially when you
have another computer and so you are not forced to have it working all at
one time, or one day, and rush; actually though going through the OS
install screens and procedure only takes 20 to 40 minutes (depending on how
fast your computer specs are to copy/install/assimilate the CD's contents)
..or similarly if your like me and many you place the SE CD's Win98 folder
content directly within (creating) the C:\WINDOWS\Options\Cabs folder first
and then run setup from there via a boot disk - giving the few advantages
that can give etc . Have Phun


MS


I'm not a techie, just an average user. Someday when I feel braver, I will
"convert" the Dell ME to W98SE. When I do, I will probably be on the W98 ng. I've
seen you there recently, didn't see Shane, but maybe I missed him. I only go to
these ng's with a problem, there is so much interesting stuff, I can't save it
all. I have installed W98SE, but have to brush up on things like Fdisk, as I need
to create some partitions.

BTW, the modem in properties was in fact a 1.2 KB modem, I'd never heard of that,
the previous owner took out the default Dell modem and put in this one to dump at
a garage same. Luckily I got it free.

MS
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Old February 18th 06, 11:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shane wrote:
Just to butt in on Rick's territory...


I never heard of a windows 9X OS that could be simply deleted, since they


need to

be installed, therefore it needs uninstallation, AFAIK. So he must have
uninstalled ME?



You can only uninstall an OS if it was an upgrade. So if you upgrade 98 to
ME, you can - if you kept the uninstallation data - uninstall ME and go back
to 98. But formatting is not uninstalling, except in the loosest sense. It's
closer to deleting. You format if you want to get back to a blank disk and
start again.

The exception is however - and something I've done a no. of times - booting
to DOS, whereupon you can delete the majority of the system, but leaving the
file system intact with a select few files/folders. For instance, with an OS
that insists on being installed as an upgrade only, you can install to an
otherwise clean drive containing a folder called Windows, containing only a
file called WIN.COM (and not even a real win.com, just a renamed text file
will do). If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files
and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes
from the new install. You can install an OS intended only to be installed to
a clean drive (such as my Win 98SE), to an in-use one this way, renaming
Win.com so that the installer doesn't find it!

Shane


Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it.

Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng?

MS
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Old February 19th 06, 01:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Just to butt in on Rick's territory...

Actually Shane it was me coming in onto you guys groups territory ..yes
I know it's a public forum and is everyone's, but out of respect I see
yourself and Noel spend so much quality volunteer time helping others in
the ME group, for conversation sake I'll call it yours group ..and by
all means chime in anytime you would like - all of your help and knowledge
and valuable time you all volunteer is appreciated. My own schedule these
days does not allow me to post as much as I would like.


I can't quite figure whether I agree or disagree with you! I suspect this
group is unique due to the nature of the Win ME OS - that is, the type of
people who use it, and the type who in despising it mostly stay away. imo
more than any other group, this one's like a social club, you know? Win 3.x
groups attract real crazies, DOS groups are expert-only, plenty of good guys
use 98, but so do the 9x fascists, etc etc etc. Ok so it's only a
hypothesis, but what's important is *I* believe it! :-) Seriously, anyone
who wants to help, who values an atmosphere of mutual respect and who'd
rather read or write a gag than a complaint, is welcome here.

I did post a hell of a lot of (attempted) help once upon a time, but post
comparatively little these days. Noel remains prolific though!

Shane


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Old February 19th 06, 01:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup

files
and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious

minutes
from the new install.

Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it.


You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only
really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that
reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as
many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save
downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on
dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for
certain).

Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from
DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the
list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run
the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can
delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's
contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you
decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows
folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still
run, those that aren't no longer can be!).


Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng?


No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have
been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98
group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it!

Shane


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Old February 19th 06, 03:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shane wrote:
If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup


files

and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious


minutes

from the new install.


Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it.



You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only
really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that
reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as
many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save
downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on
dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for
certain).

Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from
DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the
list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run
the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can
delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's
contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you
decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows
folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still
run, those that aren't no longer can be!).


Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng?



No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have
been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98
group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it!

Shane


Then later, I may commit sacrilege and post a W98 question here. For me, help is
where you get it.

Mike Sa
 




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