Screen freeze while copyng large group of files

This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data files from a CD
to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts copying, then freezes, have to
shut off and cold boot. This has happened several times, no problem on smaller
groups of files, just large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?

TIA

MS

"ms" wrote in message
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This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data files
from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts copying, then
freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has happened several times,
no problem on smaller groups of files, just large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?


Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks rather
than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no absolute need to
reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but none of us wants to sit
around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane

Shane wrote:
"ms" wrote in message
...

This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data files
from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts copying, then
freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has happened several times,
no problem on smaller groups of files, just large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?



Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks rather
than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no absolute need to
reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but none of us wants to sit
around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane



Do you mean- Yes, it's due to ME?

Because it doesn't happen in W98SE

MS

"ms" wrote in message
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Shane wrote:
"ms" wrote in message
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This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data files
from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts copying,
then freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has happened several
times, no problem on smaller groups of files, just large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?



Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks rather
than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no absolute need to
reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but none of us wants to sit
around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane

Do you mean- Yes, it's due to ME?

Because it doesn't happen in W98SE


I appears to be more due to IE6 than to ME - it DOES happen in Win98, but
only when IE6 is installed


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Noel Paton wrote:
"ms" wrote in message
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Shane wrote:
"ms" wrote in message
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This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data
files from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts
copying, then freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has
happened several times, no problem on smaller groups of files,
just large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?



Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks
rather than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no
absolute need to reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but
none of us wants to sit around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane

Do you mean- Yes, it's due to ME?

Because it doesn't happen in W98SE


I appears to be more due to IE6 than to ME - it DOES happen in Win98,
but only when IE6 is installed

That seems to ring a bell, Noel - the IE6 involvement, that is - however, I
must say I use exactly the same build in 98SE and while there is a delay
(that I'm sure wasn't always there!) I don't get any 'sitting around for
long periods waiting' like I do in ME. Not to the point of where it to all
intents and purposes has hung.

What I get in 98SE is a relatively long time to connect to the 'net.


Shane

ms wrote:
Shane wrote:
"ms" wrote in message
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This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data
files from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts
copying, then freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has
happened several times, no problem on smaller groups of files, just
large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?



Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks
rather than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no
absolute need to reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but
none of us wants to sit around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane



Do you mean- Yes, it's due to ME?

Because it doesn't happen in W98SE


Yes. Are you asking which of your questions I'm answering? g Please, don't
play with my head when I can hardly keep my eyes open!

I certainly wouldn't rule out the root cause being IE6, as Noel says, but
I'd say in that case that it's an interaction. It's a long time since I ran
ME without IE6 and I don't really remember what it was like, but with IE6 ME
is much worse in this respect in my experience than is 98SE with IE6.
Perhaps it's due to the deeper integration of IE in ME, thus the system is
more sensitive to problems introduced with it.

I personally don't think it really matters, that in almost every way ME is
superior to 98SE and taking the precautions I mentioned for bulk file
operations is a small price to pay for that. Be nice if it was perfect, but
who are we kidding, eh?

Shane

Shane wrote:
ms wrote:

Shane wrote:

"ms" wrote in message
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This is a Dell 700 MHZ with a Celeron chipset, 128 MB RAM and ME.

Offline, when I copy a large group (10 files each 2-4 MB) of data
files from a CD to a folder on the hard drive, the computer starts
copying, then freezes, have to shut off and cold boot. This has
happened several times, no problem on smaller groups of files, just
large ones.

This does not happen on my slower W98SE computer with less RAM.

Is this likely caused by the Windows ME OS?



Yes. The way to get round it is copy, delete (or whatever) chunks
rather than the whole lot at once. Also, there is probably no
absolute need to reboot, eventually it'd start going again - but
none of us wants to sit around for long periods waiting, do we.

Shane



Do you mean- Yes, it's due to ME?

Because it doesn't happen in W98SE



Yes. Are you asking which of your questions I'm answering? g Please, don't
play with my head when I can hardly keep my eyes open!

I certainly wouldn't rule out the root cause being IE6, as Noel says, but
I'd say in that case that it's an interaction. It's a long time since I ran
ME without IE6 and I don't really remember what it was like, but with IE6 ME
is much worse in this respect in my experience than is 98SE with IE6.
Perhaps it's due to the deeper integration of IE in ME, thus the system is
more sensitive to problems introduced with it.

I personally don't think it really matters, that in almost every way ME is
superior to 98SE and taking the precautions I mentioned for bulk file
operations is a small price to pay for that. Be nice if it was perfect, but
who are we kidding, eh?

Shane



Thanks for the info.

My ME computer haa IE 5.5, in my W98SE computer (where I know the history) I
installed IE 5.01SP2, it later reported IE 5.5 installed, I dunno. In any event,
neither has IE 6.

I'm new to this ng so please explain:
" that in almost every way ME is
superior to 98SE"

MS

"ms" wrote in message



Thanks for the info.

My ME computer haa IE 5.5, in my W98SE computer (where I know the
history) I installed IE 5.01SP2, it later reported IE 5.5 installed, I
dunno. In any event, neither has IE 6.

IE5 and W9x are not affected by the delete/copy hang issue which is another
subject not to be confused with this thread, and since you have IE5 it is not
your problem; however if interested you can read about the W9x IE6x issue he
http://tinyurl.com/dxlf2

The My Documents folder that was mentioned to you in the W98 forum is a
different issue too which is related to slow opening folders, but that does not
apply to your specific problem either, however as always if you have more than
a total of 100 folders/subfolders within it then it's recommended to remove
them elsewhere and keep that folder under 75.

I'm new to this ng so please explain:
" that in almost every way ME is
superior to 98SE"

imho, saying WME is superior is only a personal opinion and not a world widely
held truth; but I certainly respect those that feel ME is superior and I won't
debate the issue. There have been countless threads and discussion back and
forth about this over the years with the pro's and con's of each, and each side
had some good reading. I like WME and always have respected its effort and
release, but I personally prefer W98SE over ME though, and anytime I've
ever used ME for my own use I certainly shut off System Restore and File
Protection for my own reasons which simply were I always insist on using Backup
Partition Imaging software for comprehensive restoring control rather than SR
or anything else for that matter ..but that's just my preference, but again I
respect those that like to use SR. I do the same thing on WXP is to turn off
its Restore feature.

I had once saved a (by now older) website article about others not liking WME
very much, and will post that article just for general purpose only; but again
I am not going to debate the issue on way or the other.
http://tinyurl.com/e4j6c

Rick


MS

imho, saying WME is superior is only a personal opinion and not a world
widely
held truth;

Bear in mind that I prefaced the statement with "I personally don't think it
really matters", the idea being that everything following it *within that
sentence* was a personal opinion. Actually I find it difficult to see how it
could be logically interpreted any other way, but know that there is
surprisingly little understanding of logic within the IT community, so
understand there will be those who doubt my own understanding of it.

but I certainly respect those that feel ME is superior and I won't
debate the issue. There have been countless threads and discussion back
and
forth about this over the years with the pro's and con's of each, and each
side
had some good reading. I like WME and always have respected its effort
and
release, but I personally prefer W98SE over ME though, and anytime I've
ever used ME for my own use I certainly shut off System Restore and File
Protection for my own reasons which simply were I always insist on using
Backup
Partition Imaging software for comprehensive restoring control rather than
SR
or anything else for that matter ..but that's just my preference, but
again I
respect those that like to use SR. I do the same thing on WXP is to turn
off
its Restore feature.

I almost never use SR, but I'd rather use it to reverse a single file
corruption than restore the entire drive with an image approaching one week
old. And that is, I feel, the only real point of SR. There are various
practical reasons not to be continually backing up.


I had once saved a (by now older) website article about others not liking
WME
very much, and will post that article just for general purpose only; but
again
I am not going to debate the issue on way or the other.
http://tinyurl.com/e4j6c


Nor I. I think that those who prefer whichever system almost always do so
because that was the system current when they hit the high-point of their
appreciation of the technology, thus they in effect 'bonded' with that
particular system.

This is mankind. We grow older and dislike new fashion, attitudes,
technology - we want the world to remain exactly as it was when we were in
our prime (teenage years and twenties?). Another way to put it is we grow
more conservative as we get older - which I think equates to how in our
youth we're compelled to take risk but as we age the compulsion is to keep
what we've achieved, ie play it safe. I believe this phenomenon accounts for
the majority of stated preferences in Operating Systems and - even if there
is more practicality involved in such than I appreciate - it is nonetheless
a dominant trait in our species.

It may be something so banal as evolution having no further use for us. In
respect to the Windows-98-being-superior-to-ME diatribes I've witnessed
since 2000, very, very few have been anything but unadulterated emotion,
launched by people clearly afraid of losing touch with a discipline they
finally felt they'd grasped.

This isn't a thinly-veiled attack, btw, Rick. You sound to me like one of
the few capable of rational analysis. Just most of the others don't.

Shane

"Shane" wrote in message

imho, saying WME is superior is only a personal opinion and not a world
widely held truth;

Bear in mind that I prefaced the statement with "I personally don't
think it really matters", the idea being that everything following it
*within that sentence* was a personal opinion. Actually I find it
difficult to see how it could be logically interpreted any other way,

Maybe I'm getting old too ..unfortunately I think I gots as many gray
hairs as the rest of you ):

I personally don't think it really matters, that in almost every way ME
is superior to 98SE and taking the precautions I mentioned for bulk file
operations is a small price to pay for that. Be nice if it was perfect,
but who are we kidding, eh?

I guess I took it the way ms did though, and was just responding to him
about his take. It's not a big deal really.

but know that there is surprisingly little understanding of logic within
the IT community, so understand there will be those who doubt my own
understanding of it.

heh, well we all try to be 'at one' in understanding though.

I almost never use SR, but I'd rather use it to reverse a single file
corruption than restore the entire drive with an image approaching one
week old. And that is, I feel, the only real point of SR. There are
various practical reasons not to be continually backing up.

Understood, but then again with instant single file restore from the modern
day imagers I'd still leave SR off.

Nor I. I think that those who prefer whichever system almost always do so
because that was the system current when they hit the high-point of their
appreciation of the technology, thus they in effect 'bonded' with that
particular system.

Understood for the average user, although hopefully for techs they use all
the OS's and so in that wide experience they know and bond to all of them
being objective about each and see them as they are without being
emotionally attached; although, you're right we do tend to lean towards
certain ones at different times - at least, come to think about it, I have
if I'm being honest with myself. I still have the same wife though after
all these years g


This is mankind. We grow older and dislike new fashion, attitudes,
technology - we want the world to remain exactly as it was when we were
in our prime (teenage years and twenties?). Another way to put it is we
grow more conservative as we get older - which I think equates to how in
our youth we're compelled to take risk but as we age the compulsion is
to keep what we've achieved, ie play it safe. I believe this phenomenon
accounts for the majority of stated preferences in Operating Systems and
- even if there is more practicality involved in such than I appreciate
- it is nonetheless a dominant trait in our species.

I understand your point - you are quite the philosopher too

It may be something so banal as evolution having no further use for us.
In respect to the Windows-98-being-superior-to-ME diatribes I've
witnessed since 2000, very, very few have been anything but
unadulterated emotion, launched by people clearly afraid of losing touch
with a discipline they finally felt they'd grasped.

hehe, well I have high hopes for mankind.
I like to focus on a positive outlook on everything, but realize the points
you are making, and must admit see them around often.

This isn't a thinly-veiled attack, btw, Rick. You sound to me like one of
the few capable of rational analysis. Just most of the others don't.

Understood. My flow of life has always been to get to the facts and truth
about things, especially about philosophy and electronics, and I don't fret
too much if I am right or wrong in the first place since my goal is always
the truth beyond all emotion, at least I try bg

take care,
Rick

sorry for the snips of my text but your indents of my linewraps were off,
and so you must not be using OEQuotefix I guess.


Shane