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  #31  
Old July 14th 05, 08:24 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Honestly, sf, I'm not following what you're saying, precisely. But I
would use whichever video drivers work. That's a no-brainer.

What I don't see, though like I said I haven't read the entire thread,
is why you decided to install new drivers in the first place.

In general, the best advice on drivers at Windows Updates is DON'T!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
No... but, I know I could toast my BIOS chip and like you initially
warned....
If not broken... don't fix!!
I need to heed that truth or I can get myself in *big* trouble and
have an
unusable machine!!
Windows *can* deliver a bad can of worms to all users, most of us have
been
there, however here you could not blame Windows like were quick to do
and
MoBo problems arn't fun, been there!! ASUS does not recommend flashing
and
doing the update, says, "even if successful, could encounter trouble
w/MoBo".

This thread is about my display adapter/driver pkg. which I was
unsuccessful
in trying to update sometime back. I'm using the one from MoBo support
CD
and it works well.... I decided to leave as is, it's a P4 ASUS board
w/SIS
chipsets. I downloaded an intergrated pkg. from SIS over 16,000KB, on
dialup, the install went well, on restart, monitor was out of range. I
had
to revert back to my original present driver pkg. I didn't have the
problem on W-XP prof., however the pkg. shows different in W-XP, then
in
W98SE, for W98SE it's a compatable pkg. The MoBo model is P4SGX-MX,
do you
recommend the smart thing is to leave the driver pkg. as is ? MoBo
book
clearly says.... chipset 650GX and that's what seen in W-XP, W98SE
shows 650
in all all areas, Dev. Mgr., System Info Tool and Display Prop. WU
offers a
driver for W98SE, but that too put the monitor out of range... I since
looked at the stats on that driver at WU and the driver is older than
what
I'm using. Monitor out of range, exactly what is going on, I know it
has
nothing to do Windows and even though I can't see the desktop I know
it
there??? I can listen to the puter sounds, do ctrl/alt/del listen and
do
ctrl/alt/del again and restart the puter, etc

I should just leave my display drivers alone, is that what you would
recommend, they arn't broke, don't fix???

Thxs. Gary
Star



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Hey, I wasn't trying to scare you or anything--it's relatively
straight-forward to perform. You just want to make sure there's a
good
UPS supporting it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Thxs Gary, I am going to check out the cost, the terrible
inconvenience of
toasting the BIOS chip I guess is the worst becuse until it is
taken
care of
the puter is toast!! I will let someone experienced do the task!!
Eventually, I may take this task on to grow in experience, but, for
sure,
not anxious for the experience!!

Thxs, Star


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
BIOS chip toast... is that the worst that could happen, approx.
what
does a
BIOS chip cost, and of course, no BIOS chip, no boot to Win. OS
and
you are
left w/unusable machine??


I don't *think* there is anything worse that *might* happen when
flashing a BIOS. And I don't recall how much for the MR BIOS
replacement
I got--that was before I even got involved in newsgroups. Easy
enough
to
Google it, though.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm








  #32  
Old July 14th 05, 08:34 PM
Star
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Brian,
Thxs. I'm still not sure, your correct about 'ASUS should know'!!
However if I go to my MB page.... for me it's not that easy to discern for
W98SE. I could not choose from the info given me. If you go to the ALL tab
and scroll... display/adapter downloads are at bottom.
I see obvious differences....
First, they list graphic adapter drivers...
Next, they list AGP drivers....
Finally, they have another list for just *display driver pkgs*. and that's
where I find my pkg. listed that I'm using.
I would think if it says, 98SE as valid OS, I could pick from either
list.... yes/no ???
And, remember the 2 most recent ones at SIS site that we have both looked
at.
The one that didn't work for me, the 2nd listing, had a description of
graphic display adapter...
The first one shows for 98SE & ME but as *display drivers*

I'm going to download the first pkg. from SiS, the one display driver for
Win 98SE & ME, it's intergrated, over 20,000KB, but I know the AGP is
included, it was when I downloaded the 2nd pkg. that didn't work for me.

I will install compact mode, minimal requirements/drivers using install
setup and pray when I restart the puter!!
I will do the d/l from SiS in the next few days, I'm on dialup and whew this
will take some time for me to get.

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...lName=P4SGX-MX

If you care to check it out use the direct link above, it goes directly to
the main d/load page at ASUS, wait and my MoBo info will come in and you
should be on the All tab, show all offerings.

If the pkg. puts the monitor out of range, I will just have to revert back,
I can fix it, know what to do, etc...

Then again, my drivers arn't broken therefore should I be forcing the update
of the display drivers ??? This is a P4, 2000Ghz machine... not exactly
old, just yet!!

Thanks Brian,
Star

"Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
Thanks Brian for further input,
snip
You shouldn't be confused. XP and 98 are different birds of a feather

and
will
have different configs/options/settings. An updated driver may or may

not
provide more options, yet it may have a fix for an issue for the prior
chip/adapter driver version. If you're having problems with newer

drivers
another thing to look into is the BIOS ver., some newer driver updates

may
also
require an updated BIOS.

*** I have never updated the BIOS on this celeron 4 machine.


And you don't want to if not necessary. I see Gary has summed it up in a
nutshell, so I'll leave it at that.

Why
would the monitor be out of range and go dark, because the driver is

wrong,
correct ???


My first thoughts would be corrupted drivers, bad install or

incompatibility.


If you can help me more would appreciate, I know not to go for the

650GX
but
I would think I could get a newer driver than Dec. 2002, more

thoughts
pls.

The drivers at Asus and SIS are dated 2004.


Using the 1-2-3 @ SiS, I get these pkgs., neither are 2004.


My bad, you're right, they're dated 2003 & 2005.

What about after what appears a successful install, the puter restarts

and
the *monitor is out of range* ?? That is so.o.o nasty and I've just
determined that it was cuz the drivers were wrong, pls. comment ??


See above.

The drivers at the link I provided are the drivers for your integrated
graphics. Driver packages may, will and do many times include drivers

for
multiple chips and OS's. That is why it is always very important to

read
the
installation instructions provided by the manufacturer, also included

in
most
downloads, definitely included in the Asus and SIS d/l's.


*** Could I do this, do you recommend. Let's say, I do the big download

of
the 1st pkg. Could I do just a driver update via the Device Mgr. by

using
update driver and browse and manually just install the drivers.

Wouldn't
this work for me instead of uninstalling what I have and installing the
entire software as well as the drivers, pls. comment ?


As I mentioned, read the installation instructions provided with the d/l,

you
have less of a chance for problems then. Even though your chipset is an

SIS,
since Asus has the drivers you may want to go that route first. After all,

they
should know what drivers to use on their mobos.


--

Brian A. Sesko
{ MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://basconotw.mvps.org/





  #33  
Old July 14th 05, 08:43 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Just going to toss in a comment or two...

Drivers are updated for two reasons: First is to fix bugs in the
existing drivers. Second is to accommodate new technology, whether in
hardware or software.

It's that first reason I want to address. When a product is new is when
it's most likely going to need updating--because it's only after a
product has been in use by thousands or millions of people that all of
the bugs are finally discovered. In other words, it's within the first
months that updates are most likely to be *needed* as opposed to being
Optional.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Then again, my drivers arn't broken therefore should I be forcing the
update
of the display drivers ??? This is a P4, 2000Ghz machine... not
exactly
old, just yet!!


  #34  
Old July 14th 05, 09:06 PM
Star
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Honestly, sf, I'm not following what you're saying, precisely. But I
would use whichever video drivers work. That's a no-brainer.


**sf** what does that mean ??
Sorry, I'm not clear....
But clearly this is a.... No-brainer, you're right!!
This is a P4, 2000Ghz machine, not exactly old, soon enough though!!
I should be grateful that I have a W98SE compatible pkg. of drivers...
that work and install correctly from the MoBo support CD.
W98SE does like the pkg.
I should just let it be.
And, possibly Brian is right-on about the BIOS update in order to be able to
update display/adapter drivers?

What I don't see, though like I said I haven't read the entire thread,
is why you decided to install new drivers in the first place.


It all started at WU, I took the display update driver offered, no brains,
simply trusted and zap after restart my monitor was out of range (the driver
at WU is older than I'm using, found out after the mishap).

I decided to take it upon myself and look for a update and choose one at SiS
which also put the monitor out of range. Since that horror, of course I've
left it alone.

I haven't done anything, just trying to figure out why the update went
badly.

In general, the best advice on drivers at Windows Updates is DON'T!

Everytime I go to WU, I'm reminded as the driver is always offered me.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
No... but, I know I could toast my BIOS chip and like you initially
warned....
If not broken... don't fix!!
I need to heed that truth or I can get myself in *big* trouble and
have an
unusable machine!!
Windows *can* deliver a bad can of worms to all users, most of us have
been
there, however here you could not blame Windows like were quick to do
and
MoBo problems arn't fun, been there!! ASUS does not recommend flashing
and
doing the update, says, "even if successful, could encounter trouble
w/MoBo".

This thread is about my display adapter/driver pkg. which I was
unsuccessful
in trying to update sometime back. I'm using the one from MoBo support
CD
and it works well.... I decided to leave as is, it's a P4 ASUS board
w/SIS
chipsets. I downloaded an intergrated pkg. from SIS over 16,000KB, on
dialup, the install went well, on restart, monitor was out of range. I
had
to revert back to my original present driver pkg. I didn't have the
problem on W-XP prof., however the pkg. shows different in W-XP, then
in
W98SE, for W98SE it's a compatable pkg. The MoBo model is P4SGX-MX,
do you
recommend the smart thing is to leave the driver pkg. as is ? MoBo
book
clearly says.... chipset 650GX and that's what seen in W-XP, W98SE
shows 650
in all all areas, Dev. Mgr., System Info Tool and Display Prop. WU
offers a
driver for W98SE, but that too put the monitor out of range... I since
looked at the stats on that driver at WU and the driver is older than
what
I'm using. Monitor out of range, exactly what is going on, I know it
has
nothing to do Windows and even though I can't see the desktop I know
it
there??? I can listen to the puter sounds, do ctrl/alt/del listen and
do
ctrl/alt/del again and restart the puter, etc

I should just leave my display drivers alone, is that what you would
recommend, they arn't broke, don't fix???

Thxs. Gary
Star



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Hey, I wasn't trying to scare you or anything--it's relatively
straight-forward to perform. You just want to make sure there's a
good
UPS supporting it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Thxs Gary, I am going to check out the cost, the terrible
inconvenience of
toasting the BIOS chip I guess is the worst becuse until it is
taken
care of
the puter is toast!! I will let someone experienced do the task!!
Eventually, I may take this task on to grow in experience, but, for
sure,
not anxious for the experience!!

Thxs, Star


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
BIOS chip toast... is that the worst that could happen, approx.
what
does a
BIOS chip cost, and of course, no BIOS chip, no boot to Win. OS
and
you are
left w/unusable machine??


I don't *think* there is anything worse that *might* happen when
flashing a BIOS. And I don't recall how much for the MR BIOS
replacement
I got--that was before I even got involved in newsgroups. Easy
enough
to
Google it, though.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm










  #35  
Old July 14th 05, 09:08 PM
PCR
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"Star" wrote in message
...
| PCR Pro, been out doing homework on the Internet.

I always did my homework at home.

|
| Check this out for yourself, it will knock your socks off... click on
the
| link, I'm going to give you.... do this when you have some extra
moments...
| http://support.asus.com/download/dow...model=P4SGX-MX
|
| The above is the direct link to my MB page. ASUS has been making
changes on
| their site, but this should happen when you click the link above, you
will
| be on the main download page.... wait a few seconds and the download
will
| begin

It will begin?

| for my MB, you will be on the All tab for all offerings, scroll way
| down, display adapters/drivers are near the bottom. The first entry
will be
| this one... Oh, you'll see blue loading text,

Blue loading text?

| look at the status bar, the
| download

The download?

| is very fast, I know were both on dial-up.
| Version 6.14.10.3571 2004/04/21update
| OS Win9x / Win98SE / WinME / Win2K / WinXP

XP!!! Machines that touch XP shall never touch my fingertips!

| Description SiS graphics adapter Driver 6.14.10.3571 (R3.57a)
|
| Note, the description.... SiS graphics adapter driver
| Next you will see some AGP drivers
| After, you will see mine, what I'm using....
|
| Version v2.12 2003/02/14update
| OS Win9x / WinME
| Description SiS 650/651 Display Driver for Windows 9x/ME Version 2.12
|
| The description is Display Driver NOT graphics adapter

I believe you, Star. Fine, it says that! And there is no need for me to
go & risk XP-radiation poisoning! Maybe Terhune will go. Tell him you
also saw a chocolate chip cookie there!

|
| Do you think this is important.... it troubles me, I could never make
a
| decision at the ASUS site ??

Well, I think that could be just one component of the whole package. You
said you had to scroll for it. Also, it could be a misnomer. Either way,
it is what it is, &, if it's an update & you want it, take it. Be
cautious, owing to that dread "out of range" scenario. Do a reliable
full system backup, & you may experiment freely. Then, there is this...

http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

Those two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
report/three-- & one (by Glee) that was so-so (or worse). SO, BETTER
make a full system backup, before wiping Windows.

|
| snip
| | *** PCR, I will download the first pkg. tonight, it's a big
download.
| Read
| | the recent posts I've made and others have made. The 1st pkg. has
a
| file
| | size of 20,452KB
|
| Eee-Yowww! Let me go look again... "File size: 20,452KB ", it says.
Good
| lord! I think you should do a full system backup before trying it.
| Something that huge can be trouble.
|
| ****Yep, you see why I haven't jumped on the band-wagon for this
task!!

Yes. It is huge. Likely, most of it you already have-- all 20 MB-- but
older versions, mostly. Could be the package includes several versions
of many files, & the ones that actually install will be the ones for
WinME, which is you. I don't know.

|
| ...snip
|
| If it isn't horribly long, post the readme Brian A. spoke of.
|
| ****This is the ReadMe from MB cd.... ME is not listed, strange!! I'm
| posting 98 only!!

That is strange & lazy. Could be it's just the same for ME, & they chose
not to update the language in the Readme, probably. Very probably. I
don't like it, but it's probably OK, as we've seen it elsewhere said it
is for WinME too. And I say this despite the other one blew you up,
after saying it was for WinME too!

|
| ************************************************** *******************
| SiS Display Driver for Windows 95/98, NT4.0 and Win2000
| ************************************************** *******************
|
| Contents
| ========
|
| 1.0 Introduction
| 2.0 Installation Notes for Windows 95/98
| 2.1 Installation Notes for Windows NT4.0
| 2.2 Installation Notes for Windows 2000
| 3.0 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 95/98
| 3.1 Uninstalling drivers for Windows NT4.0
| 3.2 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 2000
|
|
| 1.0 Introduction
| ================
|
| This display driver are supported for the Windows 95/98, NT4.0,
| Win2000 operating system. The setup program will install the driver
| and utility.
|
| 2.0 Installation Notes for Windows 95/98
| ========================================
| This driver package contains:
| * sisdx.dll
| * sisdx32.dll
| * sisgl.dll
| * sisglsv.dll
| * sisgr.drv
| * sisgr.vxd
| * sisgr.inf
| * sisgr.cat
|
| The utility files contain:
| * sisudisp.dll (display setting)
| * sisufile.dll (information page)
| * sisuinfo.dll (information page)
| * sisupage.dll (gamma correction, video setting, tv setting)
| * sisusm.dll (setting Manager)
| * sisut3d.dll (3d setting)
| * hkdef.dll (Hotkey definition)
| * lcdtv.dll (TV Center screen)
| * d3dpvw.exe (d3d preview)
| * khooker.exe (Keyboard polling)
| * osd.exe (osd)
| * sistray.exe (SiSTray)
| * loadzoom.exe (TV Zoom In)
| * hookproc.dll (TV Zoom In)
|
| Procedure
| =========
| 1. Start Windows 95/98 operating system.
| 2. Insert the CD into CD-drive.
| 3. From the Start menu, choose Run and type: "F:\win98\setup"
| (where "F" should be substituted as your CD-drive), click
| "OK" button, the setup program will start.
| 4. In this installation, there are three setup-types you can choose:
| - Typical
| Install all of components in this package, including VGA
| driver and utilities.
| - Compact
| Install driver only.
| - Custom
| Install components by your choice.
| Also, the destination and utility program folder can be choosen
| by yourself.
| 5. Restart your computer when the installation is completed.
|
| 3.0 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 95/98
| ==========================================
| You can choose one of three methods in the following to uninstall:
| 1. Under "Program Files" in the "Start" menu, run "Uninstall"
| from the item "SiS Compatible VGA vx.xx.xx"(Here x.xx.xx means the
| version).
| 2. Under taskbar, choose SiS tray icon in the right-down corner,
| click right mouse button, run "Remove drivers" in the
| "Applications".
| 3. In the "Control Panel", run "Add/Remove programs", select
| "SiS Compatible VGA vx.xx.xx"(Here x.xx.xx means the version) and
click
| "Add/Remove" button.
|
| | if I don't install the s/w, what use the Device Mgr. and just
| | update the drivers, using the drivers from my download ? This
way, I
| don't
| | have to uninstall the s/w pkg. I have, but I will have more
current
| drivers,
| | can this work, never have tried to do the display adapter via the
| Device
| | Mgr.
|
| That's an idea, but there is no telling whether it is more than just
| driver files involved. Perhaps the installation needs to add to the
| Registry or replace/add .dll's or who knows what?
|
| ***I just ran the cd, setup install shield, I noted Compact, it
doesn't say
| drivers only but minimal required components. So, best use the pkg.
instead
| of Device Mgr., my question answered!!

I think it is best, just as you say. Nice, though, to have a full system
backup, though, if you can.

|
| | Also, tell me briefly more about monitor out of range, as soon as
I
| reverted
| | back to the s/w and drivers on MB cd I was fine again ? It also
| happened
| | after I downloaded the display driver from Windows Update, this is
not
| a
| | experience you want even if you can get to the boot menu easily!!
|
| I was mussed too by taking drivers from there. "Out of range", I
read,
| means the adapter didn't know where the monitor was to write on it.
|
| ***Don't know where the monitor was/is... that's a chuckle!!

Ah, ha, ha.

|
| | Regarding the BIOS update, I am not real open because of warnings,
I
| may ask
| | someone to do it for me, the directions seem easy enough, however
| toasting
| | the BIOS chip is much worse than monitor out of range!!
|
| I did it twice. It's quick, a minute or so. (I do have a UPS now,
but
| not back then.) Better have the right one, & pray there isn't a
scratch
| on the floppy, is all. (Back then, I didn't know of the danger.)
|
| I have directions in MB book, I don't think I'm going to mess w/BIOS
update.
| ASUS doesn't recommend BIOS update period!! Also, warnings that
updating
| may cause problems w/MB even when update apparently goes well.

That's wise, then. Wait for a problem before updating the BIOS, instead
of visa versa! I would have done that too had I know of the peril.

|
| Thanks PCR.

You are welcome.

| Star
|
| | Thank you, Star
| |
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| | "Star" wrote in message
| | ...
| ...snip
|
|
|
|


  #36  
Old July 14th 05, 09:14 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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"Star" wrote in message
...
**sf** what does that mean ??


Means I confused you with another person in this NG. Simple!

Sorry, I'm not clear....
But clearly this is a.... No-brainer, you're right!!
This is a P4, 2000Ghz machine, not exactly old, soon enough though!!
I should be grateful that I have a W98SE compatible pkg. of
drivers...
that work and install correctly from the MoBo support CD.
W98SE does like the pkg.
I should just let it be.
And, possibly Brian is right-on about the BIOS update in order to be
able to
update display/adapter drivers?


Very possible.

What I don't see, though like I said I haven't read the entire
thread,
is why you decided to install new drivers in the first place.


It all started at WU, I took the display update driver offered, no
brains,
simply trusted and zap after restart my monitor was out of range (the
driver
at WU is older than I'm using, found out after the mishap).


NEVER, EVER install drivers from Windows Updates!

I decided to take it upon myself and look for a update and choose one
at SiS
which also put the monitor out of range. Since that horror, of course
I've
left it alone.

I haven't done anything, just trying to figure out why the update went
badly.

In general, the best advice on drivers at Windows Updates is DON'T!

Everytime I go to WU, I'm reminded as the driver is always offered me.


You can tell Windows Updates to not offer that file any more. Might be
in Personalize section. I'm using a different Updater (Microsoft
Updates) on XP and simply can['t recall what you do in your situation to
Hide updates, but you can do it.

Are you now in a situation where you can't get into Windows at all? Or
have you managed to revert drivers to one that works?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm



  #37  
Old July 14th 05, 09:31 PM
PCR
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"Star" wrote in message
...
| PCR Pro, been out doing homework on the Internet.
|
| Check this out for yourself, it will knock your socks off... click on
the
| link, I'm going to give you.... do this when you have some extra
moments...
| http://support.asus.com/download/dow...model=P4SGX-MX
|
| The above is the direct link to my MB page. ASUS has been making
changes on
| their site, but this should happen when you click the link above, you
will
| be on the main download page.... wait a few seconds and the download
will
| begin for my MB, you will be on the All tab for all offerings, scroll
way
| down, display adapters/drivers are near the bottom. The first entry
will be
| this one... Oh, you'll see blue loading text, look at the status bar,
the
| download is very fast, I know were both on dial-up.
| Version 6.14.10.3571 2004/04/21update
| OS Win9x / Win98SE / WinME / Win2K / WinXP
| Description SiS graphics adapter Driver 6.14.10.3571 (R3.57a)
|
| Note, the description.... SiS graphics adapter driver
| Next you will see some AGP drivers
| After, you will see mine, what I'm using....
|
| Version v2.12 2003/02/14update
| OS Win9x / WinME
| Description SiS 650/651 Display Driver for Windows 9x/ME Version 2.12
|
| The description is Display Driver NOT graphics adapter
|
| Do you think this is important.... it troubles me, I could never make
a
| decision at the ASUS site ??
....snip

Fine, I did it...

Version v2.12 2003/02/14update
OS Win9x / WinME
Description SiS 650/651 Display Driver for Windows 9x/ME Version 2.12
File Size 15.69 (MBytes)

I see it is fewer MB than at the other site, but still quite large. You
say it is the version you currently are running. There is no greater
version at this ASUS site. The other site mussed you once. Still, v2.21
at the other site is a greater version. Why isn't it here too? If you
take any, do a full system backup before installing it is the best I can
offer.


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Old July 15th 05, 03:57 AM
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What I truly suggest is that you purchase an AGP video adapter, IMO you will be
much happier with the performance.

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...
Brian,
Thxs. I'm still not sure, your correct about 'ASUS should know'!!
However if I go to my MB page.... for me it's not that easy to discern for
W98SE. I could not choose from the info given me. If you go to the ALL tab
and scroll... display/adapter downloads are at bottom.
I see obvious differences....
First, they list graphic adapter drivers...
Next, they list AGP drivers....
Finally, they have another list for just *display driver pkgs*. and that's
where I find my pkg. listed that I'm using.
I would think if it says, 98SE as valid OS, I could pick from either
list.... yes/no ???
And, remember the 2 most recent ones at SIS site that we have both looked
at.
The one that didn't work for me, the 2nd listing, had a description of
graphic display adapter...
The first one shows for 98SE & ME but as *display drivers*

I'm going to download the first pkg. from SiS, the one display driver for
Win 98SE & ME, it's intergrated, over 20,000KB, but I know the AGP is
included, it was when I downloaded the 2nd pkg. that didn't work for me.

I will install compact mode, minimal requirements/drivers using install
setup and pray when I restart the puter!!
I will do the d/l from SiS in the next few days, I'm on dialup and whew this
will take some time for me to get.

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...lName=P4SGX-MX

If you care to check it out use the direct link above, it goes directly to
the main d/load page at ASUS, wait and my MoBo info will come in and you
should be on the All tab, show all offerings.

If the pkg. puts the monitor out of range, I will just have to revert back,
I can fix it, know what to do, etc...

Then again, my drivers arn't broken therefore should I be forcing the update
of the display drivers ??? This is a P4, 2000Ghz machine... not exactly
old, just yet!!

Thanks Brian,
Star

"Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
Thanks Brian for further input,
snip
You shouldn't be confused. XP and 98 are different birds of a feather

and
will
have different configs/options/settings. An updated driver may or may

not
provide more options, yet it may have a fix for an issue for the prior
chip/adapter driver version. If you're having problems with newer

drivers
another thing to look into is the BIOS ver., some newer driver updates

may
also
require an updated BIOS.

*** I have never updated the BIOS on this celeron 4 machine.


And you don't want to if not necessary. I see Gary has summed it up in a
nutshell, so I'll leave it at that.

Why
would the monitor be out of range and go dark, because the driver is
wrong,
correct ???


My first thoughts would be corrupted drivers, bad install or

incompatibility.


If you can help me more would appreciate, I know not to go for the

650GX
but
I would think I could get a newer driver than Dec. 2002, more

thoughts
pls.

The drivers at Asus and SIS are dated 2004.

Using the 1-2-3 @ SiS, I get these pkgs., neither are 2004.


My bad, you're right, they're dated 2003 & 2005.

What about after what appears a successful install, the puter restarts

and
the *monitor is out of range* ?? That is so.o.o nasty and I've just
determined that it was cuz the drivers were wrong, pls. comment ??


See above.

The drivers at the link I provided are the drivers for your integrated
graphics. Driver packages may, will and do many times include drivers

for
multiple chips and OS's. That is why it is always very important to

read
the
installation instructions provided by the manufacturer, also included

in
most
downloads, definitely included in the Asus and SIS d/l's.

*** Could I do this, do you recommend. Let's say, I do the big download

of
the 1st pkg. Could I do just a driver update via the Device Mgr. by

using
update driver and browse and manually just install the drivers.

Wouldn't
this work for me instead of uninstalling what I have and installing the
entire software as well as the drivers, pls. comment ?


As I mentioned, read the installation instructions provided with the d/l,

you
have less of a chance for problems then. Even though your chipset is an

SIS,
since Asus has the drivers you may want to go that route first. After all,

they
should know what drivers to use on their mobos.


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