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  #21  
Old March 12th 05, 09:23 PM
Justin Thyme
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"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
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In response to this thread, I have just run Win Updates on this WinME test
bed and been offered two updates:
KB 888113 & KB 891711, the possible problematic updated being discussed
here.
I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem.


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Has anyone here had occasion to run Scandefrag? I can't get it to run
without failing and returning many error messages, although Scandisk is okay
in Safe Mode. The only recent additions I made are these two patches, which
loaded and installed without error.

Ken Bland


  #22  
Old March 12th 05, 09:40 PM
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Thanks for your bravery, Jack!

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"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
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Followup:

Process Explorer now reports that the KB891711.exe process is executing.

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"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
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In response to this thread, I have just run Win Updates on this WinME
test
bed and been offered two updates:
KB 888113 & KB 891711, the possible problematic updated being discussed
here.
I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem.
I will now attempt KB 891711, while simultaneously running Norton AV 2004
Pro with the latest signature updates and all core file updates.

If you do not hear from me very soon, you may suspect that my system is
unusable ...

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"heirloom" wrote in message
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I'm still reluctant to apply the patch, even though I am no longer

running
any Norton products. As with other updates, this one DOES create a

restore
point (for those that fail to do so manually), doesn't it?
Heirloom, old and EZ AV is working for me


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
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(OK, I'll say it - blame Norton!! They've managed to f^&* up

everything
else in ME, so why should this patch be any different??)



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"Galen" wrote in message
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In ,
heirloom had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

I am seeing a lot of references to this particular update causing
problems with a common denominator of NAV (or related Symantec
product). When installing this update, does it not create a

restore
point? And, yes, due to the nature of NAV, it would be necessary

to
reinstall after a System Restore. Has anyone pinned this on the

use
of Symantec products??....or is there still a chance it is browser
related?? Heirloom, old and holding off on this

one

No one has had the gaul to blame NAV yet though I've been leaning
towards
it. My biggest problem is taking it out on a single company when

there
are
too many variables. I'd absolutely hate to be the person who caused

a
large group of people to switch to more effective solutions. Well,

okay,
I
would... But I do try to examine ALL potentials before jumping out

and
saying it's NAV. However this does seem to be the one constant
among
most
of the posts... I think, my good sir, that Heirloom shall be the

bearer
of
bad news on this one See also the number of threads in the 98

group.
The update is specifically about this:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Sec.../ms05-002.mspx

It's only available via the updates site itself for 9x/ME. Some
have
trouble, some do not... Methinks if I were more carefully oriented
I
could
go back and cite examples to SUPPORT your NAV claim my good sir.

Indeed
it
seems likely as I browse through my answers which are highlighted

and
flagged to appear on top. However, I'm not tellin' all of 'em!

They'll
lynch me! I'm only 31 and have a wife and 2 kids! Besides, I'm a

coward
:P
You tell 'em...

Galen
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Old March 12th 05, 10:01 PM
Joan Archer
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lol You notice he did say a test bed though g
Joan

Noel Paton wrote:
Thanks for your bravery, Jack!

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Old March 12th 05, 10:11 PM
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Well I thought I would add my problems too which appear to be somewhat
different from thos eperienced by others. After downloading the critical
updates (both of the below) together with a couple of updates for media
player and one for IE6, I too have had horrendous problems. Starting with an
inability to close down (hung on blank screen before the "It is now safe..."
message while trying to restart after the updates to not being able to boot
up for everal tries). After starting windows, the PC started to freeze after
a few minutes. Alt+contrl+del did nothing. Nothing moved and no response to
anything so had to pull the plug. Trying to copy files to my (large) USB
disc had the same problem - everything froze. I first ran in selective start
up and managed to stop it loading and windows loaded - unchecked it in
msconfig startup and that allowed me to get the pc running at least. I
uninstalled the KB891711 via control panel (no response, it just disappeared
from the list) but the pC still kept freezing and still having the same
problems tranferring from drive to drive. After several restarts it seems to
be stable again but we will see. It also deleted all my restore points bar
one (Aug 2004 for some reason - I haven't figured out why it left that one).
The point is, I haven't and never have had any of Norton's products on the PC
(even on free trial) - I use TrendMicro as a virus scanner. It also froze the
PC during an AdAware scan (I presume that was the cause - never had these
problems before).
All in all very confusing and worrying. Not much point having the protection
if the PC doesn't work!That's all I can think of for now, I have been trying
to sort this since I downloaded the thing last night.
Hillneerg

"TomV" wrote:

Restore points were created for both KB888113 and KB891711 when I
applied the updates using Windows Update. I've had no problems since
installing the patches on the 9th.

heirloom wrote:
Thanks go to Jack, Mike and Norman for the input. Norman and Jack for
ruling out NAV and Mike for the continued support. Odd that an SR point is
set for some and not others. It would be interesting to see if the lack of
an SR point is common to those with the problems...
Heirloom, old and still hesitant


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Old March 12th 05, 10:20 PM
Justin Thyme
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"Hillneerg" wrote in message
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Well I thought I would add my problems too which appear to be somewhat
different from thos eperienced by others. After downloading the critical
updates (both of the below) together with a couple of updates for media
player and one for IE6, I too have had horrendous problems. Starting with

an
inability to close down (hung on blank screen before the "It is now

safe..."
message while trying to restart after the updates to not being able to

boot
up for everal tries). After starting windows, the PC started to freeze

after
a few minutes. Alt+contrl+del did nothing. Nothing moved and no response

to
anything so had to pull the plug.


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Dang! You've described the problem I'm having to a Tee. Doesn't shut down
properly, Ctrl-Alt-Delete doesn't respond, screen goes black with no "It is
safe to shut down..." and all kinds of difficulty getting the computer
running again. I'm beginning to think this patch was a serious mistake.

Ken Bland


  #26  
Old March 12th 05, 10:26 PM
Kevin Moore
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Ken, have you checked the ScanDefrag logs to see what has
changed and/or notified the programs authors ??

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Ken Bland wrote:

Has anyone here had occasion to run Scandefrag? I can't get it to run
without failing and returning many error messages, although Scandisk
is okay in Safe Mode. The only recent additions I made are these two
patches, which loaded and installed without error.

Ken Bland





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Old March 12th 05, 10:52 PM
Justin Thyme
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"Kevin Moore" wrote in message
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Ken, have you checked the ScanDefrag logs to see what has
changed and/or notified the programs authors ??

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Ken Bland wrote:

Has anyone here had occasion to run Scandefrag? I can't get it to run
without failing and returning many error messages, although Scandisk
is okay in Safe Mode. The only recent additions I made are these two
patches, which loaded and installed without error.

Ken Bland



Not yet, Kevin, but I un-checked this subject patch from the startup list
and ScanDefrag ran just fine. I have another post later down that supports
my contention that KB891711 is also responsible for failure to properly shut
down the computer. Believe me, I am aware of the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
fallacy and am subject to it. I am trying to avoid making a firm conclusion
yet.

Kan Bland


  #28  
Old March 12th 05, 10:56 PM
Justin Thyme
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Dang! You've described the problem I'm having to a Tee. Doesn't shut

down
properly, Ctrl-Alt-Delete doesn't respond, screen goes black with no "It

is
safe to shut down..." and all kinds of difficulty getting the computer
running again. I'm beginning to think this patch was a serious mistake.

Ken Bland


If you would, please, un-check KB891711 from the startup list of programs
and see if shutdown and restart work any better. It made all the difference
in the world to me.

Ken Bland


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Old March 12th 05, 11:04 PM
Bill Leary
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"Justin Thyme" wrote in message
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"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem.


Has anyone here had occasion to run Scandefrag?


By "Scandefrag" do you mean the disk defragmenter from the Tools tab off the
Properties of a drive?

If so...

I can't get it to run without failing and returning many
error messages, although Scandisk is okay in Safe Mode.
The only recent additions I made are these two patches, which
loaded and installed without error.


I hadn't had used it, but since you ask, I've just tried it and it seems to run
normally.

- Bill


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Old March 12th 05, 11:29 PM
Chris
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Many thanks for all the inputs. As for me I have to say that I have no Nav
installed. I am using the free edition of AVG which for itself causes the
error as follows: C:\window\applicationData\AVG 7\log folder contains
incorrect info about 'emc.log'. something about the size being different than
what is recorded. At any rate regarding the KB891711.EXE I simply rolled back
the restor point. Although the said file is still in the add/remove programs
and also in the startup folder and checked which I unchecked. So, what does
this mean? the patch has created restore point but after choosing it
successfully the file still remains :-). I am baffled. Once again I have no
Nav.

"Justin Thyme" wrote:


Dang! You've described the problem I'm having to a Tee. Doesn't shut

down
properly, Ctrl-Alt-Delete doesn't respond, screen goes black with no "It

is
safe to shut down..." and all kinds of difficulty getting the computer
running again. I'm beginning to think this patch was a serious mistake.

Ken Bland


If you would, please, un-check KB891711 from the startup list of programs
and see if shutdown and restart work any better. It made all the difference
in the world to me.

Ken Bland



 




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