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Thanks for the feedback BarryG. No Norton, Using AVG Free, ZoneAlarm Free,
Spybot & AdAware Still waiting to get the back off to check if it's a PCI card or not Delboy "BarryG" wrote in message ... H Dellboy, I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After much hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x. Are you perchance using Norton AV (any version)? Try disabling it to see if that fixes your sound. Good Luck. BarryG "Delboy" wrote: Thanks Mart Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any feedback (neg or pos) Cheers all Delboy "Mart" wrote in message ... WDM = Windows Driver Model If in the UK, try http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R) PCI 128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language. Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a reference to distortion issues. Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager in Safe Mode. Mart "Delboy" wrote in message ... Hi Rick Thanks for the feedback. Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the speaker, but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck. (get the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in amp in the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative Recorder from mic, line in or stereo mix sources. What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain) Do you think it might be a driver problem? Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as I recall, but will take the back off to double check) Does any of this change your thoughts? Will get back when I have taken the back off Delboy "Rick T" wrote in message ... Delboy wrote: Hi out there Howdy. I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three things will happen:- 1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate thro' 2 to 3 (below) 2 Distorted sound 3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows start-up chime) I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I believe is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old supplied with a Time Computers machine. Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way; most likely a PCI card. Question:- 1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be permanently disabled? You can just yank it and put a newer one in. (simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with no improvement) You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a removable card anyways) as this is probably the cheapest solution I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket gives me the same effects. How do you normally monitor it? Does anyone out there have any advice? *non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their site and download a set. Rick |
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Try Everest Home Edition (freeware) from :-
http://www.lavalys.com/products.php?lang=en It should give you further details of your system, soundcard and hardware. Mart "Delboy" wrote in message ... Thanks for the feedback BarryG. No Norton, Using AVG Free, ZoneAlarm Free, Spybot & AdAware Still waiting to get the back off to check if it's a PCI card or not Delboy "BarryG" wrote in message ... H Dellboy, I too had a SoundBlaster PCI128 card which behaved erratically. After much hair pulling and gnashing of teeth, it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I was using. It was a Win95/98 version which simply was NOT compatible with WinME. WinME is NOT Win9x. Are you perchance using Norton AV (any version)? Try disabling it to see if that fixes your sound. Good Luck. BarryG "Delboy" wrote: Thanks Mart Will give this a whirl as well. Will get back to the newsgroup with any feedback (neg or pos) Cheers all Delboy "Mart" wrote in message ... WDM = Windows Driver Model If in the UK, try http://uk.europe.creative.com/suppor...ds/welcome.asp and 'select your product' (Sound Blaster - Others - Sound Blaster (R) PCI 128), then your OS (WinMe) and Language. Note the 1st Driver, under Overview - Show Details, there is a reference to distortion issues. Have a play with the various drivers on offer. But I would suggest you always 'Remove' the old (previous) drivers first using Device Manager in Safe Mode. Mart "Delboy" wrote in message ... Hi Rick Thanks for the feedback. Sound is normally monitored (listened) via Time supplied OEM desktop speakers direct or thro' h/phones from the h/phone socket on the speaker, but sometimes I record tapes from the line out jack to a cassette deck. (get the same sound/no sound as via the speakers, so it's not the built in amp in the speakers) Also if sound is dead or dying, I cannot use Creative Recorder from mic, line in or stereo mix sources. What does WDM mean anyway, is it a stripped down card and/or drivers or what? (simple please, I am a bear of little brain) Do you think it might be a driver problem? Why I thought the card might be hard wired was that when I installed an ethernet card, the sound card was not in one of the expansion slots (as I recall, but will take the back off to double check) Does any of this change your thoughts? Will get back when I have taken the back off Delboy "Rick T" wrote in message ... Delboy wrote: Hi out there Howdy. I am having problems with sound. Each time I boot up, one of three things will happen:- 1 No problem, sound ok (sometimes after a while sound will degenerate thro' 2 to 3 (below) 2 Distorted sound 3 No sound. (these last two start right from the opening Windows start-up chime) I have a Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 (WDM) OEM sound card which I believe is hard wired onto the mother board and is about 3 1/2 years old supplied with a Time Computers machine. Not "hard wired", Creative doesn't license their technology that way; most likely a PCI card. Question:- 1 Can the card be replaced by a PCI card and the original be permanently disabled? You can just yank it and put a newer one in. (simply "removing" in control panel reinstalls on next boot with no improvement) You can use"hardware profiles" and Disable the devices. (of course now you have no sound at all, and it's a non-sequitur since I'm sure its a removable card anyways) as this is probably the cheapest solution I am convinced it is the card as monitoring thro' the line out socket gives me the same effects. How do you normally monitor it? Does anyone out there have any advice? *non* WDM drivers. (no offence against WDM per se)... you may have to root through your original Creative CD (if you have one) or go to their site and download a set. Rick |
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If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see
Document ID:2000081409443906 Last Modified:02/26/2003 Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an uptodate WinME box. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:21 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli" penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware " ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to symantec." Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton product is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular. I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant problem, except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I revert to a SR checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV core sytem upgrade. I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user anymore. And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update tool, used by many of their products. Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules are executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant footprint. That particular version is not. See he http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...852567ac006360 8c/82146342924c76428825693b005bdb05?OpenDocument&src= bar_sch_nam -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...&osv=&osv_lvl=
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see Document ID:2000081409443906 Last Modified:02/26/2003 Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an uptodate WinME box. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:20:21 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli" penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware " ... but that version of NAV is not compatible with ME, according to symantec." Quite a few of use here believe, or nearly believe, that no Norton product is compatible with WinME, ... NAV, in particular. I use NAV Pro 2004 on this WinME test bed without any significant problem, except the necessity to uninstall and reinstall it if I revert to a SR checkpoint prior to the last signature update or NAV core sytem upgrade. I cannnot, in good faith, recommend NAV to any casual WinME user anymore. And others have had problems with Symantec's Live Update tool, used by many of their products. Eg., as I write, Process Explorer reports that five Symantec modules are executing just to support NAV 2004. This is a significant footprint. That particular version is not. See he http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...852567ac006360 8c/82146342924c76428825693b005bdb05?OpenDocument&src= bar_sch_nam -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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Was your Norton specifically for 95/98 or did it say 9x ? Rick Hi Rick, The NAV I was using was labelled Win95/NT. I was using Win95 when I bought it. There were several upgrades to NAV 4 to make it compatible with Win98. When I upgraded from Win95 to WinME, I was more ignorant of WinME than I am now, and I thought the NAV would just "keep on working". It was still detecting and removing virii, just like it always did. But I never could get WinME to work just right. It always had a stutututututter in the sou sou sound. I rebuilt the machine a number of times trying to fix it and no matter what I did I couldn't get it to work right. One day 18 months ago, I just happened to stop NAV from loading at startup and blow down if the machine didn't perform like it never had before! The startup sound played without the usual stutututter, and any app I opened worked very fast. I removed the NAV4 and loaded an OEM NIS2002 that came with my motherboard. The sound then worked OK, but the whole machine ran like treakle uphill on a cold day. I removed the NIS 2002 and bought NIS 2004. It wouldn't run at all, so I returned it for a refund, and loaded AVG Free and Zone Alarm, and I've been flying ever since. So, no, NAV4 was never claimed to be WinME compatible, that was my incorrect assumption. NIS 2002 WAS claimed to be compatible with WinME, but it wasn't, NIS 2004 WAS claimed to be compatible with WinME, but it wasn't either. Good luck, BarryG |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:44 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see Document ID:2000081409443906 Last Modified:02/26/2003 Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an uptodate WinME box. Hi Jack. He did say version 4.0, right? IIRC, that is not 2004, but 2000 or something, maybe earlier. Do club me if I'm wrong. -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the
Norton AV Ver 4 I was using." So, I think you are correct. And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:43:44 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli" penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware If you carefully read the page to which you directed us, you will see Document ID:2000081409443906 Last Modified:02/26/2003 Compatibility between Norton AntiVirus and Windows Me N.B. The "Last Modified" date of this page is almost certainly prior to the release of NAV 2004, and, so , NAV 2004 does not appear on the page. Whatever, ... I have no significant problems running it here on an uptodate WinME box. Hi Jack. He did say version 4.0, right? IIRC, that is not 2004, but 2000 or something, maybe earlier. Do club me if I'm wrong. -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:33:03 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli"
penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I was using." So, I think you are correct. And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing. Not even with a good bbottle of wine? on my budget its the only way I could afford one. bg (BTW, Cheryl and I have our anniversary in Oct, hint, hint...) -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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While you are thinking about how I can get such a bottle to you and Cheryl,
try tasting the latest release of Martin Ray's "Angeline" brand of California pinot noir. A really fine bargain at $10. The Chard isn't bad, either. No need to wait until October, ... bg -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "B.J.Honeycut" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:33:03 GMT,"Jack E Martinelli" penned this whopper in microsoft.public.windowsme.hardware As I reread BarryG's 2/14 post, he wrote, "it turned out to be the Norton AV Ver 4 I was using." So, I think you are correct. And I would never hit, or club, you over such a thing. Not even with a good bottle of wine? on my budget, it's the only way I could afford one. bg (BTW, Cheryl and I have our anniversary in Oct, hint, hint...) -- "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden; it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor." Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet. Mike |
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