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Transferring a hard drive
I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability
with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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"ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph I am have done in the past what you are suggesting with no problem. In fact, my second disk is now a mirrored bootable copy of the main drive. Points to look out for. He should observe ant static precautions all the time. In fact make sure ALL the power is turned off but leave the power lead connected to the mains to provide earthing. Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1). You will need to ensure, as you have said, that the disk you move is set to slave from master. However, some drives are set to CSEL (Cable select) and you shouldn't mix master and slave with CSEL. ( He could also have an IDE cable with only one connector on it for master, I know it is obvious but ask if there is a spare connector on the IDE cable before moving anything). Also check that there are spare power connectors for the additional hard drive. Don't forget to mention that the IDE connectors are keyed so that they cannot be inserted the incorrect way AND the pins are fragile/easily bent ( I know as I have bent them). If he is going to install the drive permanently into the PC, remind him that the securing screws holding it in place are especially short and don't go replacing them with any others lying around as he could end up permanently damaging the hard drive. Finally, when the work is completed, get him to boot into BIOS first before running Windows to ensure the MOBO is seeing the second drive correctly. Alan |
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No problems, in either configuration. So long as he doesn't try to boot to
the drive, it will look like any other partition. One thing to remember is that the drive letters will change, bumping any CD drive farther down the list. May cause hiccups if some application is trying to access the CD drive(s). And if the PC 2 system has more than one partition, the drive lettering for those will also get messed up. The system partition will be C:\, as before, but the added drive will become D:\, with any other partitions on the PC 2's drive being bumped down the alphabet. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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Alan:
You wrote: "Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1)." Is this better than putting the transferred hard drive on IDE2? thanks....ralph "Alan" wrote in message ... "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph I am have done in the past what you are suggesting with no problem. In fact, my second disk is now a mirrored bootable copy of the main drive. Points to look out for. He should observe ant static precautions all the time. In fact make sure ALL the power is turned off but leave the power lead connected to the mains to provide earthing. Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1). You will need to ensure, as you have said, that the disk you move is set to slave from master. However, some drives are set to CSEL (Cable select) and you shouldn't mix master and slave with CSEL. ( He could also have an IDE cable with only one connector on it for master, I know it is obvious but ask if there is a spare connector on the IDE cable before moving anything). Also check that there are spare power connectors for the additional hard drive. Don't forget to mention that the IDE connectors are keyed so that they cannot be inserted the incorrect way AND the pins are fragile/easily bent ( I know as I have bent them). If he is going to install the drive permanently into the PC, remind him that the securing screws holding it in place are especially short and don't go replacing them with any others lying around as he could end up permanently damaging the hard drive. Finally, when the work is completed, get him to boot into BIOS first before running Windows to ensure the MOBO is seeing the second drive correctly. Alan |
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Thanks for the replies- guess I have not forgotten everything!
What do you think of the following possible solution: Somhow find a serial mouse and use it rather than a PS2 mouse. Am I correct that WIN98 supported a serial mouse? thanks again....ralph "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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No, it's not better, but it *does* let you leave the CD drive(s) on the
Secondary IDE cable where they are probably already located. One thing you *don't* want to do is to put a hard drive as the Slave where a CD drive is the Master. Only Slave a hard drive where another hard drive is the Master. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... Alan: You wrote: "Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1)." Is this better than putting the transferred hard drive on IDE2? thanks....ralph "Alan" wrote in message ... "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph I am have done in the past what you are suggesting with no problem. In fact, my second disk is now a mirrored bootable copy of the main drive. Points to look out for. He should observe ant static precautions all the time. In fact make sure ALL the power is turned off but leave the power lead connected to the mains to provide earthing. Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1). You will need to ensure, as you have said, that the disk you move is set to slave from master. However, some drives are set to CSEL (Cable select) and you shouldn't mix master and slave with CSEL. ( He could also have an IDE cable with only one connector on it for master, I know it is obvious but ask if there is a spare connector on the IDE cable before moving anything). Also check that there are spare power connectors for the additional hard drive. Don't forget to mention that the IDE connectors are keyed so that they cannot be inserted the incorrect way AND the pins are fragile/easily bent ( I know as I have bent them). If he is going to install the drive permanently into the PC, remind him that the securing screws holding it in place are especially short and don't go replacing them with any others lying around as he could end up permanently damaging the hard drive. Finally, when the work is completed, get him to boot into BIOS first before running Windows to ensure the MOBO is seeing the second drive correctly. Alan |
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That is a solution I was going to suggest. The problem will be *finding* a
serial mouse. They don't sell those things anymore and haven't for several years now. AFAIK, there are no adapters to go from PS/2 to Serial, only the reverse. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... Thanks for the replies- guess I have not forgotten everything! What do you think of the following possible solution: Somhow find a serial mouse and use it rather than a PS2 mouse. Am I correct that WIN98 supported a serial mouse? thanks again....ralph "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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Gary:
There are several on ebay. .....ralph "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... That is a solution I was going to suggest. The problem will be *finding* a serial mouse. They don't sell those things anymore and haven't for several years now. AFAIK, there are no adapters to go from PS/2 to Serial, only the reverse. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... Thanks for the replies- guess I have not forgotten everything! What do you think of the following possible solution: Somhow find a serial mouse and use it rather than a PS2 mouse. Am I correct that WIN98 supported a serial mouse? thanks again....ralph "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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Several what? Serial mouses? Yeah, I guess that would be one place to find
them. Actually, I probably have a couple or three in my junk pile, (well, actually, it's an entire junk room, s.) Not sure what condition they're in. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... Gary: There are several on ebay. ....ralph "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... That is a solution I was going to suggest. The problem will be *finding* a serial mouse. They don't sell those things anymore and haven't for several years now. AFAIK, there are no adapters to go from PS/2 to Serial, only the reverse. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "ralph" wrote in message ... Thanks for the replies- guess I have not forgotten everything! What do you think of the following possible solution: Somhow find a serial mouse and use it rather than a PS2 mouse. Am I correct that WIN98 supported a serial mouse? thanks again....ralph "ralph" wrote in message ... I am trying to help someone over the phone who has some technical ability with his 2 WIN98 (???SE) PC's. Unfortunately I have not used WIN 98 for a very long time. His problem is that his Logitech PS2 mouse has stopped working on PC #1. It works on other machines and it appears that the computer's PS2 connector is damaged. Both machines have a single hard drive (IDE interface). He needs to recover valuable data on PC #1. (Of cource he has no backup!!). Can he simply remove the hard drive from PC#1 and put it in PC#2 (configured as a slave on IDE1 or a master on IDE2)? Are there any problems with this solution? thanks....ralph |
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"ralph" wrote:
Alan: You wrote: "Put both hard drives on the same IDE cable (IDE1)." Is this better than putting the transferred hard drive on IDE2? thanks....ralph In my opinion using IDE2 is the preferable method, especially if the second hard drive install is only going to be temporary. My reasons for this a 1. It may be necessary to change the jumper on the IDE1 Master drive in order to get the second drive to work as Slave on IDE1. This is because some makes of drives use different jumper settings for "Stand alone Master drive" and for "Master drive with Slave present". 2. There are occasional instances where two hard drives will not work together properly when connected as Master and Slave on the same IDE channel. This most often occurs when the two drives are from different manufacturers and also there are several years between the dates of manufacture of the two drives. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006) On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca Syberfix Remote Computer Repair "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference has never been in bed with a mosquito." |
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