Will a new harddrive work witn win98SE?

On 08/09/2009 07:37 PM, Jeff Richards wrote:
NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It
appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented
but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure
what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some
specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who
wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their
rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they
could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering
(very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier legally,
but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the present
state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate the
functionality without necessarily being exactly the same.

Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least
something that the OS sees as NTFS..

Just another day at the Office [though not related to hard drives or
drive formats, the mention of patents had been broached],,
The US patent office has *granted* 7,571,169 [August 4, 2009], a
Microsoft patent application, which deals with the *FORMER* [per this
patent] *open source/public source* XML and related (such as schemas)...
a commonly used document and other format [like site maps, installation
directives, and other]
The potential now is that ANY usage may subject programmers,
manufacturers, users, and usage to licensing restrictions. Gotta love
those patent dudes, yep des abrite bunch ...

So much for Microsoft supposedly supporting and participating in open
source and public resourcing ..........

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Yes, my System Commander 7.05 has Partition Commander hard coded in it.
Partition Commander can make NTFS partitions compatible for XP. However,
whenever XP opens, the partition is automatically corrected by chkdsk. All
is fine after that.

MS has a couple of patents on the common name for LFNs regarding FAT32 as an
example. But, not FAT32 itself. I'm not correcting you. Just providing
supporting information.
--
Dave
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It
appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented
but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure
what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some
specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who
wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their
rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they
could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering
(very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier
legally, but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the
present state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate
the functionality without necessarily being exactly the same.

Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least
something that the OS sees as NTFS..
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , MEB
writes:
[]
ago, and again two years ago; while you consistently claim Microsoft,
while explaining its own *patented* file system has falsely stated its
system AND what its own tools support. Meanwhile, using your same

[]
Once again you ignore Microsoft, the *OWNER* of the PATENTED
file/storage system. These styles and types of Microsoft's statements
are its own *DESIGN characteristics* [which it has modified over time].
[]
The KEY to that is: "This behavior is by design."
[]
Just out of curiosity:

Which filing system(s) - FAT (12, 16, and/or 32), NTFS, and/or both/all -
do Microsoft own (or at least hold patents on)? (Note that I've not said
"you claim" - I'm not disputing what you say.)

What is the practical upshot of them owning a filing system in this way:
just that they won't support anyone who builds partitions with something
else, or something more serious (like litigation)?

When do the relevant patents run out (like Compuserve's one on the .gif
format did)?
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outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"You know, I'm beginning to think that the Right To Life movement in this
country believes that life officially begins when you agree with *them*."
- Dennis Miller

Yes, my System Commander 7.05 has Partition Commander hard coded in it.
Partition Commander can make NTFS partitions compatible for XP. However,
whenever XP opens, the partition is automatically corrected by chkdsk. All
is fine after that.

MS has a couple of patents on the common name for LFNs regarding FAT32 as an
example. But, not FAT32 itself. I'm not correcting you. Just providing
supporting information.
--
Dave
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...
NTFS is proprietary to MS so it can't be used except under licence. It
appears it is not patented, just secret. Some parts of FAT32 are patented
but the patents have been overturned and then reinstated and I'm not sure
what state they are currently in. But the patents only related to some
specific features of FAT32, so it is affectively available to anyone who
wants to use it. If it was patentable MS would be able to enforce their
rights by getting licensing fees from anyone who used it. For NTFS they
could pursue civil remedies for breach of licence for reverse engineering
(very difficult) or for breach of non-disclosure agreements (easier
legally, but very difficult to prove). In practice, they seem OK with the
present state, which is that copies of NTFS can be created that duplicate
the functionality without necessarily being exactly the same.

Interestingly, my latest USB drive came formatted as NTFS, or at least
something that the OS sees as NTFS..
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , MEB
writes:
[]
ago, and again two years ago; while you consistently claim Microsoft,
while explaining its own *patented* file system has falsely stated its
system AND what its own tools support. Meanwhile, using your same

[]
Once again you ignore Microsoft, the *OWNER* of the PATENTED
file/storage system. These styles and types of Microsoft's statements
are its own *DESIGN characteristics* [which it has modified over time].
[]
The KEY to that is: "This behavior is by design."
[]
Just out of curiosity:

Which filing system(s) - FAT (12, 16, and/or 32), NTFS, and/or both/all -
do Microsoft own (or at least hold patents on)? (Note that I've not said
"you claim" - I'm not disputing what you say.)

What is the practical upshot of them owning a filing system in this way:
just that they won't support anyone who builds partitions with something
else, or something more serious (like litigation)?

When do the relevant patents run out (like Compuserve's one on the .gif
format did)?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"You know, I'm beginning to think that the Right To Life movement in this
country believes that life officially begins when you agree with *them*."
- Dennis Miller

Geocities is shutting down their service in October so I have a new website
for my
137GB Patch for Windows 98/SE/ME. It is:

http://rloew1.no-ip.com whick currently points to rloew.x10hosting.com

I also now have a Patch to support SATA drives on Windows 98/SE/ME.

Sincerely,


Rudolph R. Loew



"Jerry Martin" wrote:

Hello:

Has anyone tried any of the unofficial third-party patches that are supposed
to allow Win 98/ME to break the 128/137 GB hard drive limitation?

For examples see:

HIGH CAPACITY DISK PATCH at
http://www.geocities.com/rloew/Programs/Patch137.htm ($10 US + S&H per copy)

Enable48BitLBA | Break the 137Gb barrier! at
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=78592 (free) (note that there
are cautions with this, as well as the need to possibly update some other
files (such as the ScanDisk .dll)

Cheers,
Jerry

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

For technical reasons, Windows 98 will not properly handle an IDE hard
driver larger than 128 GB. Even if you have a large drive and divide it
into smaller partitions (each under 128 gb) that will not help. A
common size for hard drives is 160 GB. If you buy a 160 GB IDE hard
drive, when you format and partition it, you must only partition the
first 128 gb and leave the rest as un-used.

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