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Winipcfg only finds one adapter
wrote in message ... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone line (no ICS). On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP. In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols, services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg. Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine. I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping). IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no problems (I thought). At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help. The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However: 1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below. 2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw]. 3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update. Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup Networking and check for setup. 4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically. Re-check the browsers for connection settings. NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help. ~ One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my bad. The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers. I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel. I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance. I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from Network does not address the appaarent error completely. Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set correctly. You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not be removed. I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred to me. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC settings. See below. I checked this. Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account. This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP. Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent" settings. IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO. The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem either. The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries. I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks. -- Mark Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales. IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the good disk to the problem system. Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to the problem computer. Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals [which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]... After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal mode. -- ~ MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government _______ |
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Winipcfg only finds one adapter
"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
: wrote in message ... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone line (no ICS). On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP. In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols, services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg. Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine. I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping). IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no problems (I thought). At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help. The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However: 1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below. 2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw]. 3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update. Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup Networking and check for setup. 4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically. Re-check the browsers for connection settings. NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help. ~ One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my bad. The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers. I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel. I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance. I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from Network does not address the appaarent error completely. Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set correctly. You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not be removed. I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred to me. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC settings. See below. I checked this. Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account. This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP. Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent" settings. IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO. The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem either. The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries. I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks. Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales. IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the good disk to the problem system. Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to the problem computer. Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals [which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]... After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal mode. The hardware is identical but the installed software and files are not. This occurred because I used one PC for about two months before I decided to build a second identical PC as a backup to the first. Since then I have used the second PC as the primary and thus the files are newer and some of the software is different too. You never commented on my proposal to edit the registry entries. I'd like to hear your opinion on this idea. Thanks. -- Mark |
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Winipcfg only finds one adapter
"MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in
: wrote in message ... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone line (no ICS). On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP. In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols, services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg. Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine. I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping). IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no problems (I thought). At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help. The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However: 1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below. 2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw]. 3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update. Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup Networking and check for setup. 4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically. Re-check the browsers for connection settings. NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help. ~ One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my bad. The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers. I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel. I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance. I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from Network does not address the appaarent error completely. Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set correctly. You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not be removed. I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred to me. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC settings. See below. I checked this. Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account. This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP. Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent" settings. IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO. The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem either. The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries. I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks. Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales. IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the good disk to the problem system. Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to the problem computer. Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals [which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]... After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal mode. The hardware is identical but the installed software and files are not. This occurred because I used one PC for about two months before I decided to build a second identical PC as a backup to the first. Since then I have used the second PC as the primary and thus the files are newer and some of the software is different too. You never commented on my proposal to edit the registry entries. I'd like to hear your opinion on this idea. Thanks. -- Mark |
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Winipcfg only finds one adapter
wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message ... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone line (no ICS). On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP. In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols, services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg. Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine. I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping). IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no problems (I thought). At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help. The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However: 1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below. 2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw]. 3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update. Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup Networking and check for setup. 4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically. Re-check the browsers for connection settings. NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help. ~ One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my bad. The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers. I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel. I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance. I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from Network does not address the appaarent error completely. Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set correctly. You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not be removed. I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred to me. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC settings. See below. I checked this. Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account. This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP. Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent" settings. IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO. The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem either. The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries. I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks. Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales. IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the good disk to the problem system. Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to the problem computer. Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals [which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]... After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal mode. The hardware is identical but the installed software and files are not. This occurred because I used one PC for about two months before I decided to build a second identical PC as a backup to the first. Since then I have used the second PC as the primary and thus the files are newer and some of the software is different too. You never commented on my proposal to edit the registry entries. I'd like to hear your opinion on this idea. Thanks. -- Mark Why, you want me to take responsibility?? Just kidding... worth a try but you had better make an image of your disk before hand... 1. Export yuor entries from the GOOD computer. 2. Export your entries on the BAD computer AND save the registry [scanregw]. 3. Transfer the reg files to the bad computer and install. Cross your fingers shutdown and restart INTO Safe Mode, check for devices and ghosts, remove what's bogus. Reboot to Normal Mode 4. Likely you will have missed several enries related to your issue AND still have some old reg entries for stuff not needed. Pick your favorite registry scanner [like RegSeeker] and check the registry for junk entries. -- ~ MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government _______ |
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wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message ... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... "MEB" MEB@not@here wrote in : wrote in message net... I have a simple peer to peer network consisting of three PC connected by a switch. All PC's have a dialup modem and are connected to the phone line (no ICS). On the problem PC: Winipcfg only finds one adapter. It will either find the dialup adapter or it will find the onboard NIC depending on which one I install first (software not hardware). Ping fails to find any of the three PC's in my network. Ping can find internet addresses when I'm connected to my ISP. In Windows 98 I have removed and reinstalled all of the protocols, services, adapters and Dialup Networking several times in different ways but I still can't get winipcfg to see more than one adapter at a time. If I install the dial up adapter first then it is visible in winipcfg. If I install the onboard NIC first then it will be visible in winipcfg. Related issues on problem PC: If I install the dial up adapter first then I can connect to my ISP. If I install my onboard NIC first then I can't connect to my ISP. When I am unable to connect to my ISP the modem will dial and try to connect to the ISP and then report that my username or password are invalid (I know my UN and PW are correct). Regardless of which adapter I install first my peer to peer network still works fine. I am certain that this is a software problem. I note that when I reinstall Dialup Networking (aka Network Neighborhood) some settings are still intact such as shares, PC name, network name, file sharing, printer sharing and even IP addresses. This makes me think that even though I have completely uninstalled networking there is still something which is not being deleted that should be and this is what's causing the problem I see with winipcfg (and possibly ping). IIRC this problem started last February when I built this PC. The first MOBO had a bad onboard NIC. Before I discovered this problem I had tried to install my MOBO ethernet drivers several times with no success. After replacing the MOBO I was able to install and configure the PC with no problems (I thought). At this point the only solution I could imagine is to reinstall Windows. My network is fine and I can connect to my ISP so I would rather not reinstall Windows unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm hoping someone can suggest something I may have missed. Thanks for your help. The normal fixes would be similar to what you have already used. However: 1. Run though the removals one more time [Network adapter, DUN, etc.], FIRST make sure you have deleted any DUN setup adapters, network adapters, AND removed any settings *in your browsers* for connections. Boot to Safe Mode and remove any ghosted devices or residuals. See the NOTE below. 2. Boot twice normally however install NOTHING, just cancel when hardware found. Save the registry [from Run scanregw]. 3. Boot for the third time, install your modem first IF you have one, then DUN, NOTE DUN was updated and you MUST install the updated version. Check on Microsoft for the DUN98 update. Reboot, do not install network adapter. Go to My Computer Dialup Networking and check for setup. 4. Restart normally and install the network adapter, reboot, Check Network in Control Panel for the adapter AND that Microsoft Network client has been installed, if not install, AND TCP/IP. IF you had to install the client OR the protocol, reboot, return to Network and check that both the modem AND the adapter have TCP/IP installed as the DEFAULT protocol, and both receive DNS and IP dynamically. Re-check the browsers for connection settings. NOTE: We have repeatedly discussed complete removals of DUN and adapter settings, related registry areas, and other in these forums. Check this group and win98.gen_discussion via Google groups for these settings and removals before you get more frustrated. You will also find more people in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion to provide help. ~ One thing I have not tried is to remove the NIC driver or the modem driver from Device Manager. As these are hardware drivers I assumed that removing them would have no effect on winipcfg seeing only one adapter at a time. What do you think, should I also remove these drivers from Device Manager along with removing Dialup Networking too? Perhaps you are in agreement with this and I have not understood you, if so then my bad. The confusion arises because Networking in Control Panel allows the removal / installation of adapters (dialup and network) without indicating if these are hardware drivers or just network components. I had always assumed that they aren't hardware drivers. I note that when I remove the dialup adapter from Network in Control Panel, Plug & Play does not ask for a driver disk when rebooting however when I remove the NIC driver it does ask for a driver disk on reboot. This seems inconsistent to me. I suppose it's possible the modem is not Plug & Play but that doesn't explain why the hardware drivers for both devices are still present in Device Manager even after they have been removed from Network in Control Panel. I have not taken any action since I made my OP as I wanted to hear your opinion before proceeding. Thank you for your assistance. I agree, you need to remove from both Network AND Devices. Removing from Network does not address the appaarent error completely. Reinstall the modem first [make sure you have downloaded the driver for it first]. Once you go through the *setup previously defined*, THEN install the NIC. Check the BIOS to make sure you have the Ports and other assignments set correctly. You MUST remove them both from Control Panel System or the error will not be removed. I understand. I should have tried this before but it just never occurred to me. Apparently you have an addressing and/or IRQ error. Check your BIOS for any netwok adapter settings [if applicable] also. You may need to also check autoexec.bat, win.ini, and system.ini for any modem and/or NIC settings. See below. I checked this. Here MAY be an issue, depending upon your ISP, you may not be allowed multiple client connections. AOL was known for this, and so are many others. AOL 7.0 had a networking setup [shared connection] which you had to MANUALLY install and setup [not easy, not supported, and not told to AOL users], 9.0 doesn't. 9.? will allow [if high speed account] one high speed broad-band and one phoneline connection at the same time. Phone accounts are single use unless a business account. This is not a problem for me with my dialup ISP. Another is, you're not exactly clear one whether you fresh installed after the previous failed attempts with the old board, if not you have multiple registry entries which will cause conflict. Safe Mode MIGHT find most of them, however, the registry will still contain numerous "no longer relevent" settings. IIRC I did not reinstall the OS after replacing the MOBO. By then I had my fill of reinstalling. I was so relieved to have my hardware working I decided to move on to installing my software and personal files. I didn't want to make this my life's work. I had already spent a considerable amount of time diagnosing / repairing the the MOBO. The PC I'm working on is one of two identical machines I built last winter. This provides me a unique opportunity to make diagnoses based on comparisons between them. I have compared the IRQ / resources on both and they are identical for the modem and NIC on both PC's. The BIOS was replaced with the replacement of the MOBO so that's not the problem either. The only thing I can find that's different between the two PC's are some registry entries concerning the NIC and networking. The problem PC seems to be missing some values. I have considered exporting the same registry entries from the healthy PC and importing them on the problem PC. I'm not sure if I should first delete these entries and then import them or if I can just import them and have them overwrite the existing entries. I don't edit the registry very often and I can't remember which is the proper procedure. I'll do a search and find out. Thanks. Ah, now that brings a unique ability. Using the same "roll-out" technique used by IT/other in the business world and computer sales. IF and only IF both systems are EXACTLY alike [as you indicate], clone the good disk to the problem system. Pick your favorite imaging/other software and transfer the entire setup to the problem computer. Unlike the NT environments, in 9X there are no individual numbering/unique identifying assignments to EACH system, disk and adapters and peripherals [which can be over-come in NT by certain types of base installs]... After installing the image, run Scandisk [DOS mode {unless using a large disk}, to reset the disk], start in Safe Mode [to allow minor automatic adjustments in the registry and rebuild the basic swap]; then boot to normal mode. The hardware is identical but the installed software and files are not. This occurred because I used one PC for about two months before I decided to build a second identical PC as a backup to the first. Since then I have used the second PC as the primary and thus the files are newer and some of the software is different too. You never commented on my proposal to edit the registry entries. I'd like to hear your opinion on this idea. Thanks. -- Mark Why, you want me to take responsibility?? Just kidding... worth a try but you had better make an image of your disk before hand... 1. Export yuor entries from the GOOD computer. 2. Export your entries on the BAD computer AND save the registry [scanregw]. 3. Transfer the reg files to the bad computer and install. Cross your fingers shutdown and restart INTO Safe Mode, check for devices and ghosts, remove what's bogus. Reboot to Normal Mode 4. Likely you will have missed several enries related to your issue AND still have some old reg entries for stuff not needed. Pick your favorite registry scanner [like RegSeeker] and check the registry for junk entries. -- ~ MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The *REAL WORLD* of Law, Justice, and Government _______ |
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