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  #11  
Old January 26th 07, 03:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
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Shane,

Did you see my comment that you can boot a virtual PC from either a floppy
or CD? All that you need to do is configure the VPC to capture the device
and then it works as if the device is part of the virtual system rather
than the host.

BING. I assume it must have some form of DOS but that is somewhat
academic when booting from either a floppy or CD since neither use any
files on the hard disk and only accesses it when you enter maintenance
mode. Incidentally since I use BING as my boot manager I install it to
the hard drive and place it in its own 8MB partition which is the
remainder of the first cylinder after the MBR etc. When I boot into my OS
I don't load the BING volume into the partition table so it just appears
as unallocated free space on the hard drive to the OS.

Sorry to read about the nosebleed. I just hope it isn't a sign of
anything too serious as I'm now relying on you to get some photos for me
from Milleau. g I hope it stops soon and that you're OK and don't have
to run up and down the lane.

I'm off now to count sheep, or at least to read a book.
--
Mike


Shane wrote:

Mike M wrote:
But I want to be able to boot up with a DOS cd.


That's no problem with a VM. You can boot it from a CD if required.

As for your problems with a laptop I'd probably have used BING to
sort out the partitions. No need to install, boot from either a BING
floppy or CD and enter Maintenance mode.


Don't recall if I had that available. If so I didn't use it because I
was hoping to get into the volume(s) and repair it/them.

Or maybe I did try it. My memory is poor these days. Hopefully it's
just the drugs now. I think I made it academic by accidentally
installing Linux on the wrong volume - because at that point I didn't
realise two were being seen as one.

Yes, that's what happened.

Still don't recall if I had BING available. I might have assumed that
it wouldn't boot anyway, though hopefully I'd have tried it - I
really don't want to make assumptions! So BING doesn't use any
flavour of DOS? I'd better drum that into my head!

As soon as I typed that, I felt something damp on the end of my nose.
I have a nosebleed. If this gets any wierder I may run off down the
lane in my dressing gown!


  #12  
Old January 26th 07, 04:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane
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Default SATA HDD and letter mash

Mike M wrote:
Shane,

Did you see my comment that you can boot a virtual PC from either a
floppy or CD? All that you need to do is configure the VPC to
capture the device and then it works as if the device is part of the
virtual system rather than the host.


That's going to take some getting my head round.


BING. I assume it must have some form of DOS but that is somewhat
academic when booting from either a floppy or CD since neither use any
files on the hard disk and only accesses it when you enter maintenance
mode. Incidentally since I use BING as my boot manager I install it
to the hard drive and place it in its own 8MB partition which is the
remainder of the first cylinder after the MBR etc. When I boot into
my OS I don't load the BING volume into the partition table so it
just appears as unallocated free space on the hard drive to the OS.


Well I've been assuming DOS wouldn't boot because an interrupt is no longer
available in the BIOS. Int.13? (30? 30,013?). Never got *that* far into
interrupts - though have one utilised on the bootable DOS cd for retrieving
the time! So I've thought no true DOS system would work. Because my DOS cd -
one I assembled and wrote the batches for myself - is a self-contained
MS-DOS 8.00 OS, which works perfectly well on 9x desktops but isn't
recognised by the laptop BIOS, while an NT-based cd boots no problem.

There I go, assuming again! I think I'm going to have to do some studying.
Including running BING on the laptop.

Sorry to read about the nosebleed. I just hope it isn't a sign of
anything too serious as I'm now relying on you to get some photos for
me from Milleau. g I hope it stops soon and that you're OK and
don't have to run up and down the lane.

I'm off now to count sheep, or at least to read a book.


Yeah, excellent idea! I'm reading (was going to say two) three books atm.
One is Aircraft Recognition, from the war? I expect you know about it - and
I wouldn't be surprised if you had it in the house. Fascinating. I find
myself wishing it was wartime again in my less realistic moments. I keep
finding myself wondering why he doesn't mention any jets!

Night, Mike!

Shane



Mike M wrote:
But I want to be able to boot up with a DOS cd.

That's no problem with a VM. You can boot it from a CD if required.

As for your problems with a laptop I'd probably have used BING to
sort out the partitions. No need to install, boot from either a
BING floppy or CD and enter Maintenance mode.


Don't recall if I had that available. If so I didn't use it because I
was hoping to get into the volume(s) and repair it/them.

Or maybe I did try it. My memory is poor these days. Hopefully it's
just the drugs now. I think I made it academic by accidentally
installing Linux on the wrong volume - because at that point I didn't
realise two were being seen as one.

Yes, that's what happened.

Still don't recall if I had BING available. I might have assumed that
it wouldn't boot anyway, though hopefully I'd have tried it - I
really don't want to make assumptions! So BING doesn't use any
flavour of DOS? I'd better drum that into my head!

As soon as I typed that, I felt something damp on the end of my nose.
I have a nosebleed. If this gets any wierder I may run off down the
lane in my dressing gown!



  #13  
Old January 31st 07, 11:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Norman
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Where I was going with the "plug and play" is that the WME HDW compatibility
list includes some SATA drives. Not all obviously because the list has not
been changed in a long time, but a SATA is a SATA except newer are SATA300,
and that was a hurdle since my onboard controller didn't want to recognize
it. SG drives, or at least some of them, do not auto shift down speed as all
PATA drives I had come across previously. Such as a DMA100 HDD working with
a slower controller. But the fix was simple enough although poorly
documented. Add a jumper to the "for factory use only" block of pins.

At least one of my NF2 MOBO's acknowledges an issue of some sort. That is
there are big notes that WME can not be installed to a SATA drive. That is
the MSI board. Nothing on CT board. Except that I guess I verified it can
not be done on the CT with the SATA as the boot drive. Everything looks good
until HDW install at which it balks. After several attempts I managed to get
far enough that when in SAFE mode I could see the controllers installed, but
no HDD. Seems WME has a problem recognizing the drive as a "generic IDE
drive TYPE". That does seem weird since if I plug the SATA to an up system,
it immediately recognizes it as a "generic IDE drive type 80". But then the
setting page looks more like for CD/DVDRW.

Guess I can only hope someone comes up with a third party driver or
something like Shane's post.

Norman

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Why not ask your motherboard manufacturer for help since it is they who
say their mobo supports Win Me. You won't get any help from Microsoft as
Win Me is long out of full support (mid 2004) and also out of extended
support, where only critical security issues are addressed, which ended in
mid 2006.

What you seem to conveniently forget because it doesn't necessarily fit
your agenda is that Win 9x systems were designed in the 90s for the
hardware available at that time when a 400MHz cpu was fast, 256MB of RAM
unusual and drives larger than 40GB or so, rare. Today, of course, such
hardware could barely if at all run XP. Times change as do operating
systems and if you want to use modern hardware then you need to run a more
modern operating system that is more suited to the hardware.
--
Mike Maltby



Norman wrote:

Ouch. I know prug&Prae is better, but is it going to be totally left
to that?

Some sort of disconnect here because my MOBO is compliant to multiple
OS, including the old ones.
It has SATA on board.
It is a SATA HDD.

Almost sounds like, if OS was not designed specifically with that in
mind, fagetaboutit.
And even if it was, if it don't work, we might fix it.
Or wait till next OS.
Or wait till 128bit.
Or gig-a-bit. You know what it is to be gigged-a-bit? ;-)




  #14  
Old January 31st 07, 07:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Norman
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Default SATA HDD and letter mash

Sorry if I got wires crossed. May have been because SATA drives are listed
in WME HDW compatibility list, as mentioned in previous post. Not sure how
one is relevant to the other.
Norman

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Ouch. I know prug&Prae is better, but is it going to be totally left
to that?


What are you rambling about now? P&P isn't new and has nothing to do with
any problems you might be experiencing.
--
Mike Maltby



Norman wrote:

Ouch. I know prug&Prae is better, but is it going to be totally left
to that?

Some sort of disconnect here because my MOBO is compliant to multiple
OS, including the old ones.
It has SATA on board.
It is a SATA HDD.

Almost sounds like, if OS was not designed specifically with that in
mind, fagetaboutit.
And even if it was, if it don't work, we might fix it.
Or wait till next OS.
Or wait till 128bit.
Or gig-a-bit. You know what it is to be gigged-a-bit? ;-)




 




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