Error message in Windows 98 Second Edition

It is too messed up PCR to deal with the 98SE side. I just need to format
and have a clean install. I would like to have your advice on this since in
this case I have XP Pro. installed on the D: drive and I do not want to mess
up the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive I already backed up the
important files from the C: side so the rest can be wiped clean. if I had
been smarter I would have just limited the memory in the msconfig instead of
messing around with the memory inserts which did not work with 2 gigs of
memory installed anyway

"PCR" wrote:

"Dan W." wrote in message

| snip --- too long
|
| crfo is the folder where all the Soundblaster Audigy driver
| information is located.

I see. Looks like Audigy came in with MSVCRT.DLL v.6.10.8637.0. And,
after the install of Audigy, that version replaced v. 6.00.8397.0 in
"C:\Windows\System"-- which is THE version that comes with 98SE & also
is in the IE5 & IE6 .cab's. (But something updates MSVCRT.DLL beyond any
of those-- because my current one is... v.6.00.8797.0.)

Other than the things I've already suggested, perhaps try Windows Update
to see whether there is a cumulative IE update that you have missed.

What is this location...?... c:\windows\temp\crfo\drivers\addon.

Did you put your raw download into there & then click something in it to
do the install? Or did you actually install it to that folder? Or was
the folder created unbeknownst to you when you updated drivers?

Is there a main Audigy folder elsewhere with an Audigy application in
it? If so, & if it turns out that app needs v.8637, then move it into
that folder. And move the earlier version into ...System\ &/or seek the
cumulative.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Huh? It is the same computer and it is all located within this one thread.
Anyway, I want to format and clean install my 98SE side again but I would
like to keep the XP Pro. side fully intact. The 98SE side is on the c:\ hard
drive while the XP Pro. side is on the d:\ hard drive. Thanks PCR and
Everyone Else!

"PCR" wrote:

"Dan W." wrote in message

| PCR wrote:
| "Dan W." wrote in message
|
| | snip
| |
| | Okay, PCR and others the situation is now this that I can boot into
| | normal mode in 98SE without Jet Detection: c:\program
| | files\creative\sbaudigy\program\adgjdet.exe, scanregistry:
| | c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun, ctstartup: c:\program
| | files\creative\splash screen\ctaxspl.exe /run, disc detector:
| | c:\program files\creative\sharedll\ctnotify.exe, windvdpatch:
| | cthelper.exe, 1 of
| | the load power profiles, and atipoll: ati2evxx.exe
| |
| | The load power profiles are both as follows: rundll32.exe
| | powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
|
| The LoadPowerProfile's are fine. So is Scanregistry. As there aren't
| may others, activate them one at a time, until the problem
| resurfaces. The last one activated is the bad guy, then!
|
| | Thanks again everyone for all of your help and let me know what to
| | do next. PCR, I followed your suggestion about reinstalling ie6
| | and it really helped. I am still waiting for the ati replacement
| | graphics dvd
| | and I also would like to get a sound blaster audigy cd with dos
| | drivers
| | but Creative no longer offers the sound blaster auidigy cd with dos
| | drivers and the replacement that I got in the past did not have dos
| | drivers.
|
|
| What about an older Sound Blaster Audigy cd with DOS drivers also
| included. The newer one that I received a while ago does not have the
| DOS drivers. I may have the older cd somewhere but it is probably in
| storage with other computer stuff and I am not sure where it could be.
| I tried Ebay but they did not offer it. I emailed Creative but have
| not heard back from them yet. sigh --- that is what happens when you
| are always working with computers and have too many older computers
| and software -- at least for me --- I was happily able to give my
| older ASUS P2B-F Motherboard and an older power supply to a friend
| who was able to use it to build a computer.

I don't know much about Sound Blaster Audigy. Can it be you have a
version meant only for the XP side? Is this the same computer on which
you are having the MSVCRT.DLL problem? Then-- you should have kept it
all in one thread.

I guess try playing with MSVCRT.DLL per the instructions in the other
thread. See whether replacing that will allow a normal boot, even if
Audigy fails to work. What version of MSVCRT.DLL is in C:\Windows\System
now...?... v.6.10.8637.0 (from Audigy, I divine) or v.6.00.8397.0 (from
SE & IE .cab's).

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" wrote in message

| Huh? It is the same computer and it is all located within this one
| thread.

Sorry. I noticed all that, myself-- but it was too late!

| Anyway, I want to format and clean install my 98SE side again
| but I would like to keep the XP Pro. side fully intact. The 98SE
| side is on the c:\ hard drive while the XP Pro. side is on the d:\
| hard drive. Thanks PCR and Everyone Else!

You are welcome. I've answered the re-install question elsewhere in this
thread.

|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
| "Dan W." wrote in message
|
| | PCR wrote:
| | "Dan W." wrote in message
| |
| | | snip
| | |
| | | Okay, PCR and others the situation is now this that I can boot
| | | into normal mode in 98SE without Jet Detection: c:\program
| | | files\creative\sbaudigy\program\adgjdet.exe, scanregistry:
| | | c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun, ctstartup: c:\program
| | | files\creative\splash screen\ctaxspl.exe /run, disc detector:
| | | c:\program files\creative\sharedll\ctnotify.exe, windvdpatch:
| | | cthelper.exe, 1 of
| | | the load power profiles, and atipoll: ati2evxx.exe
| | |
| | | The load power profiles are both as follows: rundll32.exe
| | | powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
| |
| | The LoadPowerProfile's are fine. So is Scanregistry. As there
| | aren't may others, activate them one at a time, until the problem
| | resurfaces. The last one activated is the bad guy, then!
| |
| | | Thanks again everyone for all of your help and let me know what
| | | to do next. PCR, I followed your suggestion about reinstalling
| | | ie6 and it really helped. I am still waiting for the ati
| | | replacement graphics dvd
| | | and I also would like to get a sound blaster audigy cd with dos
| | | drivers
| | | but Creative no longer offers the sound blaster auidigy cd with
| | | dos drivers and the replacement that I got in the past did not
| | | have dos drivers.
| |
| |
| | What about an older Sound Blaster Audigy cd with DOS drivers also
| | included. The newer one that I received a while ago does not have
| | the DOS drivers. I may have the older cd somewhere but it is
| | probably in storage with other computer stuff and I am not sure
| | where it could be. I tried Ebay but they did not offer it. I
| | emailed Creative but have not heard back from them yet. sigh ---
| | that is what happens when you are always working with computers
| | and have too many older computers and software -- at least for me
| | --- I was happily able to give my older ASUS P2B-F Motherboard and
| | an older power supply to a friend who was able to use it to build
| | a computer.
|
| I don't know much about Sound Blaster Audigy. Can it be you have a
| version meant only for the XP side? Is this the same computer on
| which you are having the MSVCRT.DLL problem? Then-- you should have
| kept it all in one thread.
|
| I guess try playing with MSVCRT.DLL per the instructions in the other
| thread. See whether replacing that will allow a normal boot, even if
| Audigy fails to work. What version of MSVCRT.DLL is in
| C:\Windows\System now...?... v.6.10.8637.0 (from Audigy, I divine)
| or v.6.00.8397.0 (from SE & IE .cab's).
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" wrote in message

| It is too messed up PCR to deal with the 98SE side. I just need to
| format and have a clean install. I would like to have your advice on
| this since in this case I have XP Pro. installed on the D: drive and
| I do not want to mess up the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive I
| already backed up the important files from the C: side so the rest
| can be wiped clean. if I had been smarter I would have just limited
| the memory in the msconfig instead of messing around with the memory
| inserts which did not work with 2 gigs of memory installed anyway

OK. I understand. I guess those drivers were meant for XP, as they did
deliver a weirdish MSVCRT.DLL-- note the "10" in its version number,
v.6.10.8637.0, where normal, unirradiated versions will have an "00"...
v.6.00.8797.0!

HOWEVER, the methodology of re-installing W98 when WinXP is also on the
machine will depend upon how you want to multi-boot them. You can use XP
to do the multi-booting, but that is beyond my experience. Or, you can
use a 3rd party app such as...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

To do it with that one...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=100
How to Install an OS to Its Own Partition

Actually, that is also beyond my personal experience, though.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
| "Dan W." wrote in message
|
| | snip --- too long
| |
| | crfo is the folder where all the Soundblaster Audigy driver
| | information is located.
|
| I see. Looks like Audigy came in with MSVCRT.DLL v.6.10.8637.0. And,
| after the install of Audigy, that version replaced v. 6.00.8397.0 in
| "C:\Windows\System"-- which is THE version that comes with 98SE &
| also is in the IE5 & IE6 .cab's. (But something updates MSVCRT.DLL
| beyond any of those-- because my current one is... v.6.00.8797.0.)
|
| Other than the things I've already suggested, perhaps try Windows
| Update to see whether there is a cumulative IE update that you have
| missed.
|
| What is this location...?... c:\windows\temp\crfo\drivers\addon.
|
| Did you put your raw download into there & then click something in
| it to do the install? Or did you actually install it to that folder?
| Or was the folder created unbeknownst to you when you updated
| drivers?
|
| Is there a main Audigy folder elsewhere with an Audigy application in
| it? If so, & if it turns out that app needs v.8637, then move it into
| that folder. And move the earlier version into ...System\ &/or seek
| the cumulative.
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" wrote in message

| Okay, PCR --- It is Fubar and I am ready to format the c:\ drive and
| reinstall and update everything again. I do not mind but I don't
| want XP which is on d:\ drive to be messed up. Can you walk me
| through because I don't want to mess things up any more. The XP side
| is doing great and I think Creative Audigy latest sound driver is
| messed up on their website since it causes a blue screen of death in
| XP but the older version on the Creative cd works fine. I tried it 2
| times and both times it installed fine but on the reset of the system
| choked. Perhaps 98SE last dying gasp of revenge to XP. Thanks again
| for all of your help. grin

You are welcome. I'm glad you were able to recover the XP side & to save
important files from the 98 side. It is good that your last days before
you perish of the XP-irradiation will be happy ones! I've answered about
how to do the reinstall elsewhere is this thread.

| snipped due to length concerns

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Thanks for your advice, PCR. I tried BootitNG once before and liked it. I
will investigate further.

"PCR" wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message

| It is too messed up PCR to deal with the 98SE side. I just need to
| format and have a clean install. I would like to have your advice on
| this since in this case I have XP Pro. installed on the D: drive and
| I do not want to mess up the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive I
| already backed up the important files from the C: side so the rest
| can be wiped clean. if I had been smarter I would have just limited
| the memory in the msconfig instead of messing around with the memory
| inserts which did not work with 2 gigs of memory installed anyway

OK. I understand. I guess those drivers were meant for XP, as they did
deliver a weirdish MSVCRT.DLL-- note the "10" in its version number,
v.6.10.8637.0, where normal, unirradiated versions will have an "00"...
v.6.00.8797.0!

HOWEVER, the methodology of re-installing W98 when WinXP is also on the
machine will depend upon how you want to multi-boot them. You can use XP
to do the multi-booting, but that is beyond my experience. Or, you can
use a 3rd party app such as...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

To do it with that one...
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=100
How to Install an OS to Its Own Partition

Actually, that is also beyond my personal experience, though.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
| "Dan W." wrote in message
|
| | snip --- too long
| |
| | crfo is the folder where all the Soundblaster Audigy driver
| | information is located.
|
| I see. Looks like Audigy came in with MSVCRT.DLL v.6.10.8637.0. And,
| after the install of Audigy, that version replaced v. 6.00.8397.0 in
| "C:\Windows\System"-- which is THE version that comes with 98SE &
| also is in the IE5 & IE6 .cab's. (But something updates MSVCRT.DLL
| beyond any of those-- because my current one is... v.6.00.8797.0.)
|
| Other than the things I've already suggested, perhaps try Windows
| Update to see whether there is a cumulative IE update that you have
| missed.
|
| What is this location...?... c:\windows\temp\crfo\drivers\addon.
|
| Did you put your raw download into there & then click something in
| it to do the install? Or did you actually install it to that folder?
| Or was the folder created unbeknownst to you when you updated
| drivers?
|
| Is there a main Audigy folder elsewhere with an Audigy application in
| it? If so, & if it turns out that app needs v.8637, then move it into
| that folder. And move the earlier version into ...System\ &/or seek
| the cumulative.
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Dan" wrote in message

| Thanks for your advice, PCR. I tried BootitNG once before and liked
| it. I will investigate further.

You are welcome. Make a plan & post it to a new thread.

| "PCR" wrote:
|
| "Dan" wrote in message
|
| | It is too messed up PCR to deal with the 98SE side. I just need to
| | format and have a clean install. I would like to have your advice
| | on this since in this case I have XP Pro. installed on the D:
| | drive and I do not want to mess up the D: drive and 98SE is on the
| | C: drive I already backed up the important files from the C: side
| | so the rest can be wiped clean. if I had been smarter I would
| | have just limited the memory in the msconfig instead of messing
| | around with the memory inserts which did not work with 2 gigs of
| | memory installed anyway
|
| OK. I understand. I guess those drivers were meant for XP, as they
| did deliver a weirdish MSVCRT.DLL-- note the "10" in its version
| number, v.6.10.8637.0, where normal, unirradiated versions will have
| an "00"... v.6.00.8797.0!
|
| HOWEVER, the methodology of re-installing W98 when WinXP is also on
| the machine will depend upon how you want to multi-boot them. You
| can use XP to do the multi-booting, but that is beyond my
| experience. Or, you can use a 3rd party app such as...
|
| http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
| to HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
| without data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days,
| $34.95.
|
| To do it with that one...
| http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=100
| How to Install an OS to Its Own Partition
|
| Actually, that is also beyond my personal experience, though.
|
| | "PCR" wrote:
| |
| | "Dan W." wrote in message
| |
| | | snip --- too long
| | |
| | | crfo is the folder where all the Soundblaster Audigy driver
| | | information is located.
| |
| | I see. Looks like Audigy came in with MSVCRT.DLL v.6.10.8637.0.
| | And, after the install of Audigy, that version replaced v.
| | 6.00.8397.0 in "C:\Windows\System"-- which is THE version that
| | comes with 98SE & also is in the IE5 & IE6 .cab's. (But something
| | updates MSVCRT.DLL beyond any of those-- because my current one
| | is... v.6.00.8797.0.)
| |
| | Other than the things I've already suggested, perhaps try Windows
| | Update to see whether there is a cumulative IE update that you
| | have missed.
| |
| | What is this location...?... c:\windows\temp\crfo\drivers\addon.
| |
| | Did you put your raw download into there & then click something in
| | it to do the install? Or did you actually install it to that
| | folder? Or was the folder created unbeknownst to you when you
| | updated drivers?
| |
| | Is there a main Audigy folder elsewhere with an Audigy
| | application in it? If so, & if it turns out that app needs
| | v.8637, then move it into that folder. And move the earlier
| | version into ...System\ &/or seek the cumulative.
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | Should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message

Thanks for your advice, PCR. I tried BootitNG once before and liked
it. I will investigate further.

You are welcome. Make a plan & post it to a new thread.

Now you're talking!!

"Buffalo" wrote in message

| PCR wrote:
| "Dan" wrote in message
|
| Thanks for your advice, PCR. I tried BootitNG once before and liked
| it. I will investigate further.
|
| You are welcome. Make a plan & post it to a new thread.
|
| Now you're talking!!

Uhuh. Since the modus operandi is different now, he should start a new
thread. Who knows, it might inspire me to set up a multi-boot of my own.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:44:07 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
MEB wrote:

There are 2 aspects of firewall functionality.

1) Inbound handling of unsolicited data packets

2) Outbound handling of packets from unauthorized or
unrecognized local processes.

A NAT-router handles #1 IN ALL CASES, be they TCP or UDP. And it
handles this for all computers connected to it on the local LAN. It
is very efficient at doing this, and it does it in a secure manner.

A software firewall performs both 1 and 2, but only on ONE computer.

(or rather, on each computer on which it is running)

If you have more than one computer on a local lan, you already have
NAT, so you are already protected for #1.

Not always. A router can be configured to act as a dumb bridge, so
that it passes the ISP's Internet-accessible IP address directly to
the PC it is connected to. When this happens, it may as well be an
"ADSL modem", as it's not NAT-routing at all.

In this scenario, things change as follows:
- the PC that is assigned the IP address, is the router
- other PCs connect via this PC using Internet Connection Sharing
- the PC's sware firewall now acts to manage theier traffic as well?

So it's not only important to have a NAT router, but to have that
router act AS a NAT router.

Broadband other than ADSL (satellite, ?cable) may work more like a USB
ADSL modem, i.e. lack the NAT routing component, acting as above.

Function #1 is a bona-fide protection mechanism that prevents some
systems from being comprimized (this almost never applies to
windows-98 anyways, but it applied almost 100% to Windows 2K, XP-gold
and XP-SP1). Function #1 -IS- protection.

True.

Function #2 IS NOT protection. Function #2 is an alert mechanism.
Unless it's a false alarm, #2 tells you that YOUR SYSTEM IS ALREADY
COMPRIMIZED IN SOME WAY.

True, in a way. It's more useful as a way of curbing unwanted or
unexpected behavior of wanted software, e.g. the free screensaver that
"calls home", etc. which can be a useful thing in its own right.

Function #2 is also a pain in the ass to configure and live with.

True, also. It's in the same class of monitoring/alertware as PrevX,
All-Seeing-Eye and UAC - quite a different usage profile from #1.

Because function #2 is only provided by a software firewall, it
can be deactivated by malware or by misconfiguration by the user.

True, plus it can be spoofed in various ways.

In real life, there are always unwanted / unsolicited packets
hammering away at your internet connection (item #1) so it's a given
that they are more of a threat and should be delt with - moreseo than
dealing with #2. It is MORE important to deal with #1 vs #2

I'd agree with that. I'd say #1 is something every user should have,
and the less the user knows, the more it is needed. In contrast, #2
is more useful for users with an interest in knowning what is going
on; as it's more visible, it's more of a source of "warm fuzzies".

If you were to prioritize the various security appliances, software
and settings you could obtain to insure a safe computing experience,
the first item on the list is a NAT-router. Even if you have only 1
computer and you don't need the ability to have a local LAN, a
nat-router will perform your internet log-in for you and will maintain
your internet connection even when your computer is off. This means
you don't need to run buggy or troublesome ISP login software

Such software often dumbs down the router to act as a bridge, via a
fake "dial-up connection" type of icon.

Once you have a NAT-router, you have item #1 covered.

In the context of the Internet, yes. But not in the context of the
LAN side of the router, which is relevant if one of the PCs on the LAN
is compromised, and especially relevant if your LAN is open to WiFi
access (and intrusion). This is where the software firewall's #1
effect becomes highly relevant, and why I would insist on such a
firewall even when a physical NAT router is in use.

I place #2 far down the list of important functions, I have other items
next (like a hosts file, locking down browsers with spybot and spyware
blaster, updating JAVA JRE engine, etc). At the bottom I place
anti-virus software (it is close to becoming useless these days)

I'd disagree there. It's always been leaky as a sole protection
component, but it is still useful as a "tubour de-bulking" tool.

If your #1 firewall is you first layer of protection, then your av is
your goalie of last resort - and useful as such.

software firewall (or more specificaly, item #2) at the very bottom
(I don't run one, I never have and never will).

I do use #2 in some contexts, and have found it useful. But like av,
I have no illusions that it is an impenitrable armour that lets me get
away with acting like a click-happy moron ;-)

Typically I use #2 as a replacement for the built-in XP firewall when
that has been FUBAR'd by malware that's been cleaned up.

Moreover, he also thinks the Microsoft's XP firewall will
provide some sort of protection, should he need it.

The software firewall built into XP is ONLY an incoming firewall.

It's not, actually. It's not an alert hog, and may or may not be as
powerful on #2 as those that are, but you certainly can set it to
block egress for particular items, and I use it as such. For example,
I'll have it block F&PS, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance etc. where
I do not want these functions exposed to the Internet.

Assuming it works correctly at all times, it is exactly equivalent
to what a NAT-router does. But because it is a process running
on the local machine, it is vulnerable to being tampered with or
being deactivated by malware, and for that reason it is inferior
to a NAT-router.

Routers can be hacked too, but as there's more variation between
these, they are less attractive as a point of attack. OTOH, if they
are considered to be invulnerable objects, they can be more attractive
as a potential point of exploit against actively-managed systems.

A NAT-router is THE FIRST THING YOU NEED.

Along with destruction or very careful setup of all wireless access..



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