Windows Me instalation with out a valid product key

Sir,

I posted a thread a few months before, where I said that I can
install Windows 98, Me with out a valid product key/Serial.
and some one said (he said he's a Microsoft employer), that we have no
interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this this issue.

My previous thread I am talking about can be found here :

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...6-5a81c36161b3

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I want to ask once again, if it doesn't really matters.
I want to share this little trick with some E-friends (for educational
purpose) through online forums, but I am not a bad-guy. I don't want to do
some thing, that's not legal.
so if it doesn't interest Microsoft, then please tell me if I am allowed to
post the method in online forums.
Thankyou

--
Fahid Shehzad
Mobile#(92)333-8629920

First this is not the place to ask such a question since this is a peer to
peer support newsgroup with no Microsoft presence. Even if there were to
be a Microsoft presence in this newsgroup that presence would not have the
authority to make any statement on the subject other than to refer you to


Secondly what you propose is illegal and you lay yourself open to
prosecution by Microsoft. Personally I very much doubt that any Microsoft
employee would have made the statement you attribute to him.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Fahid wrote:

Sir,

I posted a thread a few months before, where I said that I can
install Windows 98, Me with out a valid product key/Serial.
and some one said (he said he's a Microsoft employer), that we have no
interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this this issue.

My previous thread I am talking about can be found here :

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...6-5a81c36161b3

*****************************************
I want to ask once again, if it doesn't really matters.
I want to share this little trick with some E-friends (for educational
purpose) through online forums, but I am not a bad-guy. I don't want
to do some thing, that's not legal.
so if it doesn't interest Microsoft, then please tell me if I am
allowed to post the method in online forums.
Thankyou

Footnote:

Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about
this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98 issues
since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the
implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating
system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP
without the use of a valid password or serial number.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Fahid wrote:

Sir,

I posted a thread a few months before, where I said that I can
install Windows 98, Me with out a valid product key/Serial.
and some one said (he said he's a Microsoft employer), that we have no
interest in Windows 98 or Me, about this this issue.

My previous thread I am talking about can be found here :

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...6-5a81c36161b3

*****************************************
I want to ask once again, if it doesn't really matters.
I want to share this little trick with some E-friends (for educational
purpose) through online forums, but I am not a bad-guy. I don't want
to do some thing, that's not legal.
so if it doesn't interest Microsoft, then please tell me if I am
allowed to post the method in online forums.
Thankyou

I did't knew, where to post such things, so I find MS NEWS Groups to be the
only place to do so.

I am not a bad-guy or a hacker, it was just an accident that let me to try
installing windows without serial for first time. If I was abad guy, I may
have already share it, or maybe sell it. but nothing, I came and post, just
to inform MS about the exploit.

what ever I am talking about about the MS employee, can be found on the link
given in my first post here.


"Mike M" wrote:

First this is not the place to ask such a question since this is a peer to
peer support newsgroup with no Microsoft presence. Even if there were to
be a Microsoft presence in this newsgroup that presence would not have the
authority to make any statement on the subject other than to refer you to


Secondly what you propose is illegal and you lay yourself open to
prosecution by Microsoft. Personally I very much doubt that any Microsoft
employee would have made the statement you attribute to him.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

So, what you think, what would you sugest me now.
do you think I can have the permission from MS to post the method in a
public forum.(not ilegal)


"Mike M" wrote:

Footnote:

Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me, about
this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98 issues
since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the
implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating
system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP
without the use of a valid password or serial number.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal.

It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft.

I suggest that you post your methodology to and see
what response they make to it.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Fahid" wrote in message
...
So, what you think, what would you sugest me now.
do you think I can have the permission from MS to post the method in a
public forum.(not ilegal)


"Mike M" wrote:

Footnote:

Mike Brannigan did NOT say "we have no interest in Windows 98 or Me,
about
this issue." but rather that HE had no interest in Win Me or Win 98
issues
since he was at that time part of the team responsible for the
implementation of Windows Product Activation (WPA) in the XP operating
system and he asked you to send him details of how you were installing XP
without the use of a valid password or serial number.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP

I have sent an email to .
but in return I have only recieved an automatically generated email message.
what am I supposed to do in this situation ?

"Noel Paton" wrote:

As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal.

It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft.

I suggest that you post your methodology to and see
what response they make to it.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

In ,
Noel Paton had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal.

It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft.

I suggest that you post your methodology to and
see what response they make to it.

Alright... I'll ask... If he finds a method of bypassing the key function
and posts it in a public forum is this illegal? Or, alternatively, are the
people who opt to use the method he gives (should it work) performing an
illegal activity. Microsoft is headquartered in America AFAIK. Here, with
some limits, we've a certain expectation to the rights of free speech and
have a whole set of rules based on this freedom.

My contest is that if he posts it then it's not illegal unless it's through
some unchartered waters with DMCA. Beyond that it's no more illegal than a
site which tells you how to convert a firearm into an automatic weapon.
These are legal here in America though I can't speak for the rest of the
world and certainly (How long have you known me now Noel?) not touting this
under any political banner, it's more a matter of curiosity or debate for me
at this point. I feel that if he's able to find a vulnerability in the
software AND has given due notice to the owner of said software there's
nothing illegal about posting his findings and his methods. I think that an
analogy could be the full disclosure people who post exploits after a given
amount of time. They haven't committed an illegal act nor violated any EULA
in their actions from my understanding. However, the people who opt to take
advantage of these exploits may very well be committing a crime.

On the other hand I'd argue that it's not socially acceptable behavior to
post this information in a public forum. The act that he mentioned isn't
illegal from what I'm able to read in the EULA and opposite that it's
certainly immoral. At least the OP had the ability to post here and ask
first. That's more important than anything else that I can think of.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

In ,
Fahid had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

I have sent an email to .
but in return I have only recieved an automatically generated email
message. what am I supposed to do in this situation ?

Wait and do nothing. That's what I'd do. See my other reply for my two cents
on the whole thing.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

And what am I doing ?
a few months before, (right after the discovery of that exploit) I posted at
MS NEWS group about it. I wanted to share the mothod to MS, I wanted to
support MS. but some how, I didn't got any responce, alternatively some one
said "I am not interested in windows 98 or Me, but I am very interested if
your method works for Windows XP".

and after reading that message, I thought, "MicroSoft may have stoped
working on windows 98 and Me, so they won't take it serious any more. they
don't care bout it at all."

but, main while, some of my friends who don't know the methodolgy, but they
that I can do it.
they asked me to open this method in public forums.

and once again, I have came to MS NEWS group, so can ask "If MS won't mind
if I post the method in public forum."

I am still not doing anything illegal yet, and I don't want to do such things.
How many time do I have to repeat that I am not a hacker/cracker/badguy or
something like that.

what you suppose me to do now, "let me post the method here, in an open
public place."
is that what you people want ?
won't that be illegal ?

I am seriously confused, why I posted ?
what am I doing now, and what should I do next ?
no one to guide me, I have not much understandings of Copyright like things.



"Galen" wrote:

In ,
Noel Paton had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

As Mike said - what you're proposing is illegal.

It is a breach of your licence agreement with Microsoft.

I suggest that you post your methodology to and
see what response they make to it.

Alright... I'll ask... If he finds a method of bypassing the key function
and posts it in a public forum is this illegal? Or, alternatively, are the
people who opt to use the method he gives (should it work) performing an
illegal activity. Microsoft is headquartered in America AFAIK. Here, with
some limits, we've a certain expectation to the rights of free speech and
have a whole set of rules based on this freedom.

My contest is that if he posts it then it's not illegal unless it's through
some unchartered waters with DMCA. Beyond that it's no more illegal than a
site which tells you how to convert a firearm into an automatic weapon.
These are legal here in America though I can't speak for the rest of the
world and certainly (How long have you known me now Noel?) not touting this
under any political banner, it's more a matter of curiosity or debate for me
at this point. I feel that if he's able to find a vulnerability in the
software AND has given due notice to the owner of said software there's
nothing illegal about posting his findings and his methods. I think that an
analogy could be the full disclosure people who post exploits after a given
amount of time. They haven't committed an illegal act nor violated any EULA
in their actions from my understanding. However, the people who opt to take
advantage of these exploits may very well be committing a crime.

On the other hand I'd argue that it's not socially acceptable behavior to
post this information in a public forum. The act that he mentioned isn't
illegal from what I'm able to read in the EULA and opposite that it's
certainly immoral. At least the OP had the ability to post here and ask
first. That's more important than anything else that I can think of.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.