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  #11  
Old July 2nd 07, 07:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
oops!!
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Default Yea Thanks Microsoft


Mart,

Yes, I know that too well.

Tony has been warned!

Anyway he used his recovey disk and that's it.

At least he had backups of what he wanted to keep.

Thanks for the comments.

Zee




"Mart" wrote in message
...
Doubt if Mike will be the slightest bit interested Zee. I notice that the
dreaded word Norton appears several times in his Forum posts - cunningly
airbrushed out of the WinMe posts!

Forums?, No updates?? - Norton???

And you know how Mike feels about Norton!!! g

Even a (very) long bargepole is probably the last thing Mike would be
prepared to touch it with. No sympathy there then!

Perhaps "Yea Thanks Norton" might be more appropriate subject of the
thread.

Mart


"oops!!" wrote in message
...

No problem, the idea was avoiding Tony to post here everything he has
tried.

I had no intention of asking you to post there.

Sorry if you understood it that way.

Zee


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Zee,

I'm sorry but I don't "do" web forums. I'm sure you'll be able to
provide him with all the help he needs.
--
Mike M


oops!! wrote:

Hi Mike,

I've been trying to help Tony he

http://forums.techguy.org/windows-95...r-windows.html

Rather than him posting his long troubleshooter, perhaps you can take
a look at the thread and post here your comments and suggestions.

I'll be quietly listening...







  #12  
Old July 3rd 07, 02:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Tony1966
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Posts: 13
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

LOL - I'm hoping Mike will forgive me for any Norton indiscretions.

The trouble is - particularly here in the UK for the ignorant average user
like me Mcafee and Norton are typically the only two packaged "must have"
applications and it is only through encountering serious problems that we see
the light. :-D.

Although Norton prevented me from using any Windows restores it doesn't (too
me) appear to be the cause of my woes. When deciding to clean up the old PC
for networking purposes I opened Ad-Aware SE and requested web updates. It
would appear (and other www threads seem to confirm) that this has caused
EXE/LNK association failures.

After all the problems at least I have a clean and beauifiully running ME
desktop - for now.
"Mart" wrote:

Doubt if Mike will be the slightest bit interested Zee. I notice that the
dreaded word Norton appears several times in his Forum posts - cunningly
airbrushed out of the WinMe posts!

Forums?, No updates?? - Norton???

And you know how Mike feels about Norton!!! g

Even a (very) long bargepole is probably the last thing Mike would be
prepared to touch it with. No sympathy there then!

Perhaps "Yea Thanks Norton" might be more appropriate subject of the thread.

Mart


"oops!!" wrote in message
...

No problem, the idea was avoiding Tony to post here everything he has
tried.

I had no intention of asking you to post there.

Sorry if you understood it that way.

Zee


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Zee,

I'm sorry but I don't "do" web forums. I'm sure you'll be able to
provide him with all the help he needs.
--
Mike M


oops!! wrote:

Hi Mike,

I've been trying to help Tony he

http://forums.techguy.org/windows-95...r-windows.html

Rather than him posting his long troubleshooter, perhaps you can take
a look at the thread and post here your comments and suggestions.

I'll be quietly listening...






  #13  
Old July 3rd 07, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

Tony,

I'm glad to read that you are now fit to go. Incidentally both Mart and
myself are in the UK so that isn't a very good excuse vbg for having
Norton installed. Norton/Symantec's track record is pretty bad regardless
of which OS is in use but is particularly appalling when it comes to Win
Me and should NEVER be installed, if only in an attempt to save the sanity
of the user.

I'm somewhat surprised to read that you think that using Adaware SE caused
you to lose the ability to execute files or use links, certainly this
isn't something I recall ever having come across before on either Win Me
or any other OS. Loss of EXE functionality can often be the result of
malware although in truth more confined to the likes of regedit.exe and
various AV and firewall executables all in an attempt to prevent ready
removal of the malware.

Nevertheless I'm pleased to read that all appears to now be OK.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Tony1966 wrote:

LOL - I'm hoping Mike will forgive me for any Norton indiscretions.

The trouble is - particularly here in the UK for the ignorant average
user like me Mcafee and Norton are typically the only two packaged
"must have" applications and it is only through encountering serious
problems that we see the light. :-D.

Although Norton prevented me from using any Windows restores it
doesn't (too me) appear to be the cause of my woes. When deciding to
clean up the old PC for networking purposes I opened Ad-Aware SE and
requested web updates. It would appear (and other www threads seem to
confirm) that this has caused EXE/LNK association failures.

After all the problems at least I have a clean and beauifiully
running ME desktop - for now.


  #14  
Old July 3rd 07, 05:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Tony1966
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Posts: 13
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

Mike,

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

It is when you go to the well know national PC/electrical stores that you
don't see, or get offered a wide range of firewall/virus options presumably
because there is some sort of incentive offered between the companies to
promote their software. Similarly switching ISPs, as I have recently done
tends to come with "free" 12 month subscription to one of the big two. It's
the typical marketing economy to the illiterate PC majority. In the same way
the best burgers are anything but McDonalds but you rarely see those either
advertised or promoted by other means. Fortunately my lack of expertise in
PCs is made up for by my expertise in food

I know enough to know that when I have problems there are great places to
come on the web to get answers to problems and recommendations as to future
use.

Ad-Aware SE is only an educated guess when I was trying to work back step by
step to what I had done I came across a number of articles on the web about
people that appear to have had similar problems to me, though there appears
to be no CONSENSUS on whether this is a true confirmed fault or just wild
suspicions like mine.

This differs significantly from Norton where I've always been well aware of
how it slows down your computer and I'm now only too aware of other issues it
can cause.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc protection
but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and recommendations into
protecting my ME environment. I'm already pretty tight on the Internet
Options I permit through IE. but again your insight would be appreciated

Tony

"Mike M" wrote:

Tony,

I'm glad to read that you are now fit to go. Incidentally both Mart and
myself are in the UK so that isn't a very good excuse vbg for having
Norton installed. Norton/Symantec's track record is pretty bad regardless
of which OS is in use but is particularly appalling when it comes to Win
Me and should NEVER be installed, if only in an attempt to save the sanity
of the user.

I'm somewhat surprised to read that you think that using Adaware SE caused
you to lose the ability to execute files or use links, certainly this
isn't something I recall ever having come across before on either Win Me
or any other OS. Loss of EXE functionality can often be the result of
malware although in truth more confined to the likes of regedit.exe and
various AV and firewall executables all in an attempt to prevent ready
removal of the malware.

Nevertheless I'm pleased to read that all appears to now be OK.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Tony1966 wrote:

LOL - I'm hoping Mike will forgive me for any Norton indiscretions.

The trouble is - particularly here in the UK for the ignorant average
user like me Mcafee and Norton are typically the only two packaged
"must have" applications and it is only through encountering serious
problems that we see the light. :-D.

Although Norton prevented me from using any Windows restores it
doesn't (too me) appear to be the cause of my woes. When deciding to
clean up the old PC for networking purposes I opened Ad-Aware SE and
requested web updates. It would appear (and other www threads seem to
confirm) that this has caused EXE/LNK association failures.

After all the problems at least I have a clean and beauifiully
running ME desktop - for now.



  #15  
Old July 3rd 07, 05:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Tony1966
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Posts: 13
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

and if you're really bored, forums on lavasoftsupport.com is one place where
this is discussed but not exactly resolved.

"Tony1966" wrote:

Mike,

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

It is when you go to the well know national PC/electrical stores that you
don't see, or get offered a wide range of firewall/virus options presumably
because there is some sort of incentive offered between the companies to
promote their software. Similarly switching ISPs, as I have recently done
tends to come with "free" 12 month subscription to one of the big two. It's
the typical marketing economy to the illiterate PC majority. In the same way
the best burgers are anything but McDonalds but you rarely see those either
advertised or promoted by other means. Fortunately my lack of expertise in
PCs is made up for by my expertise in food

I know enough to know that when I have problems there are great places to
come on the web to get answers to problems and recommendations as to future
use.

Ad-Aware SE is only an educated guess when I was trying to work back step by
step to what I had done I came across a number of articles on the web about
people that appear to have had similar problems to me, though there appears
to be no CONSENSUS on whether this is a true confirmed fault or just wild
suspicions like mine.

This differs significantly from Norton where I've always been well aware of
how it slows down your computer and I'm now only too aware of other issues it
can cause.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc protection
but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and recommendations into
protecting my ME environment. I'm already pretty tight on the Internet
Options I permit through IE. but again your insight would be appreciated

Tony

"Mike M" wrote:

Tony,

I'm glad to read that you are now fit to go. Incidentally both Mart and
myself are in the UK so that isn't a very good excuse vbg for having
Norton installed. Norton/Symantec's track record is pretty bad regardless
of which OS is in use but is particularly appalling when it comes to Win
Me and should NEVER be installed, if only in an attempt to save the sanity
of the user.

I'm somewhat surprised to read that you think that using Adaware SE caused
you to lose the ability to execute files or use links, certainly this
isn't something I recall ever having come across before on either Win Me
or any other OS. Loss of EXE functionality can often be the result of
malware although in truth more confined to the likes of regedit.exe and
various AV and firewall executables all in an attempt to prevent ready
removal of the malware.

Nevertheless I'm pleased to read that all appears to now be OK.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Tony1966 wrote:

LOL - I'm hoping Mike will forgive me for any Norton indiscretions.

The trouble is - particularly here in the UK for the ignorant average
user like me Mcafee and Norton are typically the only two packaged
"must have" applications and it is only through encountering serious
problems that we see the light. :-D.

Although Norton prevented me from using any Windows restores it
doesn't (too me) appear to be the cause of my woes. When deciding to
clean up the old PC for networking purposes I opened Ad-Aware SE and
requested web updates. It would appear (and other www threads seem to
confirm) that this has caused EXE/LNK association failures.

After all the problems at least I have a clean and beauifiully
running ME desktop - for now.



  #16  
Old July 3rd 07, 07:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

Sorry but I've better things to do with my time g than reading about
this apparent problem. As I have already mentioned no-one has previously
felt the need to post about this to any of the Microsoft Win Me newsgroups
since Ad-Aware was launched and it's not a problem I've ever seen on any
of my various PCs. Likewise it has never featured as being a problem with
Ad-Aware in any of the various security newsgroups to which I subscribe,
both private and public.
--
Mike Maltby



966 wrote:

and if you're really bored, forums on lavasoftsupport.com is one
place where this is discussed but not exactly resolved.


  #17  
Old July 3rd 07, 07:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

You did. However you seem to have missed the gist of my post where I was
trying to say that living in the UK isn't an excuse for users having an
unwanted AV solution imposed on them when they purchase a new PC. This
is standard practice world-wide. As for Norton/Symantec their appalling
track record over the last decade is also pretty well documented in both
newsgroups and web forums.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment.


I have no knowledge of how you connect to the internet but if using ADSL
or cable the very first thing I would do would be to use a router even if
only using a single PC. Enable NAT (Network Address Translation) on the
router and this will provide a very effective firewall, so good in fact
that this no longer becomes a major issue with the OS however if you want
both belt and braces suitable firewalls commonly used that work reasonably
well with Win Me are early versions of Kerio, formerly Tiny, (v2.1.5 works
well with Win Me)
and Zone Alarm (versions up to and including 6.1.744.001).

AV - AVG (from Grisoft), Panda, Trend, Computer Associates, NOD32 and
Kaspersky and Computer Associates AV (stick with just the AV component of
their internet suite). I wouldn't recommend McAfee although this has
improved and strongly recommend that you avoid any product with the
Symantec of Norton label as most cause major problems with Win Me.
Personally I'm currently using Atwill's Avast! on Vista, XP64 and XP x86
systems, NOD32 on XP, CA on XP and Win Me and have an old Win Me that uses
AVG although have to admit I rarely use that box nowadays. Note I
multi-boot and have numerous operating systems installed on the same PC,
likewise I use Virtual Machines (where an operating system such as Win Me
can run in a window on say XP) which is why I have so many systems

AntiSpyware - Lots of possibilities here but here again personally I tend
not to have anything actually running but do use AdAware SE and Spybot
Search & Destroy with Win Me.
--
Mike Maltby




Tony1966 wrote:

Mike,

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

It is when you go to the well know national PC/electrical stores that
you don't see, or get offered a wide range of firewall/virus options
presumably because there is some sort of incentive offered between
the companies to promote their software. Similarly switching ISPs, as
I have recently done tends to come with "free" 12 month subscription
to one of the big two. It's the typical marketing economy to the
illiterate PC majority. In the same way the best burgers are anything
but McDonalds but you rarely see those either advertised or promoted
by other means. Fortunately my lack of expertise in PCs is made up
for by my expertise in food

I know enough to know that when I have problems there are great
places to come on the web to get answers to problems and
recommendations as to future use.

Ad-Aware SE is only an educated guess when I was trying to work back
step by step to what I had done I came across a number of articles on
the web about people that appear to have had similar problems to me,
though there appears to be no CONSENSUS on whether this is a true
confirmed fault or just wild suspicions like mine.

This differs significantly from Norton where I've always been well
aware of how it slows down your computer and I'm now only too aware
of other issues it can cause.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment. I'm already pretty
tight on the Internet Options I permit through IE. but again your
insight would be appreciated


  #18  
Old July 3rd 07, 09:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Tony1966
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Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

Thanks for the comments and feedback on set up - I used Kerio in the dim and
distant past as well as a few free virus + ad/spyware apps so I guess I have
a busy day tomorrow

I've a Netgear DG834GT Router - with desktop ME via Ethernet and new
wireless Vista laptop. I've already changed router password and WPA-PSK
network code - anyone could've guessed the original. The router has a built
in firewall configured to factory settings so that's another thing for me to
read re optimal configuration but there's another forum I'm part of that will
sort out that and the NAT question.

"Mike M" wrote:

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.


You did. However you seem to have missed the gist of my post where I was
trying to say that living in the UK isn't an excuse for users having an
unwanted AV solution imposed on them when they purchase a new PC. This
is standard practice world-wide. As for Norton/Symantec their appalling
track record over the last decade is also pretty well documented in both
newsgroups and web forums.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment.


I have no knowledge of how you connect to the internet but if using ADSL
or cable the very first thing I would do would be to use a router even if
only using a single PC. Enable NAT (Network Address Translation) on the
router and this will provide a very effective firewall, so good in fact
that this no longer becomes a major issue with the OS however if you want
both belt and braces suitable firewalls commonly used that work reasonably
well with Win Me are early versions of Kerio, formerly Tiny, (v2.1.5 works
well with Win Me)
and Zone Alarm (versions up to and including 6.1.744.001).

AV - AVG (from Grisoft), Panda, Trend, Computer Associates, NOD32 and
Kaspersky and Computer Associates AV (stick with just the AV component of
their internet suite). I wouldn't recommend McAfee although this has
improved and strongly recommend that you avoid any product with the
Symantec of Norton label as most cause major problems with Win Me.
Personally I'm currently using Atwill's Avast! on Vista, XP64 and XP x86
systems, NOD32 on XP, CA on XP and Win Me and have an old Win Me that uses
AVG although have to admit I rarely use that box nowadays. Note I
multi-boot and have numerous operating systems installed on the same PC,
likewise I use Virtual Machines (where an operating system such as Win Me
can run in a window on say XP) which is why I have so many systems

AntiSpyware - Lots of possibilities here but here again personally I tend
not to have anything actually running but do use AdAware SE and Spybot
Search & Destroy with Win Me.
--
Mike Maltby




Tony1966 wrote:

Mike,

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

It is when you go to the well know national PC/electrical stores that
you don't see, or get offered a wide range of firewall/virus options
presumably because there is some sort of incentive offered between
the companies to promote their software. Similarly switching ISPs, as
I have recently done tends to come with "free" 12 month subscription
to one of the big two. It's the typical marketing economy to the
illiterate PC majority. In the same way the best burgers are anything
but McDonalds but you rarely see those either advertised or promoted
by other means. Fortunately my lack of expertise in PCs is made up
for by my expertise in food

I know enough to know that when I have problems there are great
places to come on the web to get answers to problems and
recommendations as to future use.

Ad-Aware SE is only an educated guess when I was trying to work back
step by step to what I had done I came across a number of articles on
the web about people that appear to have had similar problems to me,
though there appears to be no CONSENSUS on whether this is a true
confirmed fault or just wild suspicions like mine.

This differs significantly from Norton where I've always been well
aware of how it slows down your computer and I'm now only too aware
of other issues it can cause.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment. I'm already pretty
tight on the Internet Options I permit through IE. but again your
insight would be appreciated



  #19  
Old July 3rd 07, 09:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Tony1966
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Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

Just discovered NAT is standard enabled on the router

  #20  
Old July 3rd 07, 09:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.setup
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
Default Yea Thanks Microsoft

PS I've just realised I omitted the main tool in one's armoury in
protecting a PC from unwanted intrusion, malware, trojans, worms, adware
and the like and that is to practice "Safe Hex" at all times. Be aware
(which you are by asking your question). Keep your system as up to date
as far as is possible with a legacy system such as Win Me. Use text view
when viewing e-mails only switching to html/web view where you trust the
sender. Only open attachments if you know the sender and were expecting
the document. Don't visit strange web pages or follow hidden links. Be
wary of URLs that rather than containing a friendly alias and domain are
just an IP address, for example www.microsoft.com OK, whereas
http:\10.10.10.10\spoof_your_bank be VERY VERY wary.

Remember there are few genuine free lunches. If an offer seems too good
to be true then in all likelihood it isn't genuine.

My apologies if you feel I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs. That was
never my intention.
--
Mike Maltby



Mike M wrote:

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.


You did. However you seem to have missed the gist of my post where I
was trying to say that living in the UK isn't an excuse for users
having an unwanted AV solution imposed on them when they purchase a
new PC. This is standard practice world-wide. As for
Norton/Symantec their appalling track record over the last decade is
also pretty well documented in both newsgroups and web forums.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment.


I have no knowledge of how you connect to the internet but if using
ADSL or cable the very first thing I would do would be to use a
router even if only using a single PC. Enable NAT (Network Address
Translation) on the router and this will provide a very effective
firewall, so good in fact that this no longer becomes a major issue
with the OS however if you want both belt and braces suitable
firewalls commonly used that work reasonably well with Win Me are
early versions of Kerio, formerly Tiny, (v2.1.5 works well with Win
Me) and Zone Alarm (versions up to and including 6.1.744.001).

AV - AVG (from Grisoft), Panda, Trend, Computer Associates, NOD32 and
Kaspersky and Computer Associates AV (stick with just the AV
component of their internet suite). I wouldn't recommend McAfee
although this has improved and strongly recommend that you avoid any
product with the Symantec of Norton label as most cause major
problems with Win Me. Personally I'm currently using Atwill's Avast!
on Vista, XP64 and XP x86 systems, NOD32 on XP, CA on XP and Win Me
and have an old Win Me that uses AVG although have to admit I rarely
use that box nowadays. Note I multi-boot and have numerous operating
systems installed on the same PC, likewise I use Virtual Machines
(where an operating system such as Win Me can run in a window on say
XP) which is why I have so many systems
AntiSpyware - Lots of possibilities here but here again personally I
tend not to have anything actually running but do use AdAware SE and
Spybot Search & Destroy with Win Me.

Mike,

I didn't make myself clear enough - sorry.

It is when you go to the well know national PC/electrical stores that
you don't see, or get offered a wide range of firewall/virus options
presumably because there is some sort of incentive offered between
the companies to promote their software. Similarly switching ISPs, as
I have recently done tends to come with "free" 12 month subscription
to one of the big two. It's the typical marketing economy to the
illiterate PC majority. In the same way the best burgers are anything
but McDonalds but you rarely see those either advertised or promoted
by other means. Fortunately my lack of expertise in PCs is made up
for by my expertise in food

I know enough to know that when I have problems there are great
places to come on the web to get answers to problems and
recommendations as to future use.

Ad-Aware SE is only an educated guess when I was trying to work back
step by step to what I had done I came across a number of articles on
the web about people that appear to have had similar problems to me,
though there appears to be no CONSENSUS on whether this is a true
confirmed fault or just wild suspicions like mine.

This differs significantly from Norton where I've always been well
aware of how it slows down your computer and I'm now only too aware
of other issues it can cause.

I've had advice from oops on suggested firewall/virus/spyware etc
protection but I'd really be interested in your own thoughts and
recommendations into protecting my ME environment. I'm already pretty
tight on the Internet Options I permit through IE. but again your
insight would be appreciated


 




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