Dual Boot with 250GB hdd, can I with 98se or Me?

Well, I bought a 250GB Seagate hdd (Pata) to make it my new boot device
(on a Athlon Xp 2000, Kudoz motherboard, 768MB Ram - my Bios recognize
correctly new boy's size). On my current boot (and only) hdd I've got 4
Fat32 partitions, with 98SE on C: and XpPro on D:
What do I do to maintain this dual boot configuration with the new hdd,
given that 98SE won't work with a drive larger than 137GB? Is there some
trick I don't know now? Would it be effective to replace 98SE with Me?
Thanks in advance,
Lete
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:18:06 GMT, Lete wrote:

Well, I bought a 250GB Seagate hdd (Pata) to make it my new boot device
(on a Athlon Xp 2000, Kudoz motherboard, 768MB Ram - my Bios recognize
correctly new boy's size). On my current boot (and only) hdd I've got 4
Fat32 partitions, with 98SE on C: and XpPro on D:
What do I do to maintain this dual boot configuration with the new hdd,
given that 98SE won't work with a drive larger than 137GB?

I am assuming that your old disk is less than 137GB and has 1 primary
and 3 extended partitions. If it is acceptable that only XP can see the
space past 137GB you could mirror your current disk to the new one and
then create 2 NTFS primary partitions in the remaining space.

98SE will see the two NTFS entries in the MBR but won't try to access
the partitions as it doesn't know the file system. XP will see them and
be able to access them.

--
Steven

I'm afraid you're up the creek with that. In my opinion your best
option for the problem at hand is using a controller card like this:

http://www.promise.com/product/produ...roduct_i d=87

The Promise ultra 133 tx2 is a very good choice but this type of card is
available from other manufacturers. Another benefit of using a
controller card solution is that the data transfer work is done by the
controller hardware thus lightening the load on the CPU. Just make sure
that the proper Windows 98/Me drivers are available before you buy.

You other alternatives such as DDO (Disk Drive Overlay) are pretty
messy! You might find helpful information he

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...137/index.html
http://www.48bitlba.com/

John

Lete wrote:
Well, I bought a 250GB Seagate hdd (Pata) to make it my new boot device
(on a Athlon Xp 2000, Kudoz motherboard, 768MB Ram - my Bios recognize
correctly new boy's size). On my current boot (and only) hdd I've got 4
Fat32 partitions, with 98SE on C: and XpPro on D:
What do I do to maintain this dual boot configuration with the new hdd,
given that 98SE won't work with a drive larger than 137GB? Is there some
trick I don't know now? Would it be effective to replace 98SE with Me?
Thanks in advance,
Lete

Steven Saunderson ha scritto:
I am assuming that your old disk is less than 137GB and has 1 primary
and 3 extended partitions.

Exactly this way, an 80GB Maxtor partitioned 3-15-20-42 or something
like that.

If it is acceptable that only XP can see the
space past 137GB

And it may be highly acceptable.

you could mirror your current disk to the new one and
then create 2 NTFS primary partitions in the remaining space.

Can't I create a single 113GB NTFS partition, instead of 2? Just a
curiosity, it doesn't matter much really.

98SE will see the two NTFS entries in the MBR but won't try to access
the partitions as it doesn't know the file system. XP will see them and
be able to access them.

Sounds good. Would it be different with WinMe?

Lete
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'Siamo'..." "Dicevo che fummo andati in Brasile e compr..."
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John John ha scritto:
You might find helpful information he

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...137/index.html
http://www.48bitlba.com/

What about the 48-bit patches there on 48bitlba.com? Are they safe? Lots
of posts (here too) say that filling a large drive over that 137GB
limits means that the FAT will go nuts and some data will be lost... is
that the case even with those patches? I know that a 3rd party hw
controller would be the safest bet, but my usage of 98SE is not frequent
enough to justify another card inside the case...

Lete
--
"Fummo andati in Brasile e comprammo Juary..." "Presidente...
'Siamo'..." "Dicevo che fummo andati in Brasile e compr..."
"SIAMO!" "Ma che si' venuto pure tu?" (Antonio Sibilia)

Lete wrote:

John John ha scritto:

You might find helpful information he

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...137/index.html
http://www.48bitlba.com/


What about the 48-bit patches there on 48bitlba.com? Are they safe? Lots
of posts (here too) say that filling a large drive over that 137GB
limits means that the FAT will go nuts and some data will be lost... is
that the case even with those patches? I know that a 3rd party hw
controller would be the safest bet, but my usage of 98SE is not frequent
enough to justify another card inside the case...

Quite frankly I personally wouldn't use these, but that is not to say
that they are bad or unsafe, just that I disdain these sort of fixes and
would only use them if I had absolutely no other choice. I offered the
link for information only, not as an endorsement. Maybe someone else in
these groups has experience with these and can comment on them.

My recommendation remains with the Promise controller card, costs about
$50 to $100 depending on where you make the purchase. This will
overcome the problem and you will be able to fully use the drive without
FAT issues, I dare say that you will be very satisfied with this
solution if you decide to go that route. Even your Windows XP should
gain improved performance with the controller card option. If you burn
cd's or copy data between drives you will defenitely see an improvement
if you can keep your IDE devices on separate controllers. With the TX2
you will have 4 independent IDE controllers, (2 on the mobo and 2 on the
card), really works well!

John

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:03:26 GMT, Lete wrote:

you could mirror your current disk to the new one and
then create 2 NTFS primary partitions in the remaining space.

Can't I create a single 113GB NTFS partition, instead of 2? Just a
curiosity, it doesn't matter much really.

Yes, it will be okay. But it doesn't have to be 113GB. The new primary
partition could start at 80GB and extend to 250GB giving you 170GB. Or
you could have a partition that goes from 80GB to 137GB and make it
FAT32 so W98 and XP can both see it, and then create a final partition
that goes from 137GB to 250GB.

98SE will see the two NTFS entries in the MBR but won't try to access
the partitions as it doesn't know the file system. XP will see them and
be able to access them.

Sounds good. Would it be different with WinMe?

No, ME should be the same as 98 I believe. If you can clone your 80GB
disk to the 250GB (sector by sector copy) you should be then able to
replace your 80GB disk and your system will dual boot just like it does
now. If you then run XP and use its disk admin utility you can create
the new partition(s).

--
Steven

There's a problem in the esdi506.pdr standard 9x driver that wraps addresses
when you address over 137 G. Assuming you have 48-bit LBA and Int13h
extensions in your BIOS, then you can use Rudolph Loew's patch (he charges
$10 for it: http://members.aol.com/rloew1/index.htm and offers a free demo
version that is limited to 136G). I seem to recall that the Intel
Accelerator patch will do it if you are using the requisite Intel chipset.
But the other poster is correct in that if you use a PCI card with its own
add-in BIOS, then you get full 48-bit LBA if you don't already have it, and
they provide a patch (in what they call a 'driver') to take care of the
problem with esdi506.pdr.

There's another problem, however, as regards the disk utilities, defrag and
scandisk. They aren't set up for larger than 137G explicitly, and I've
never had the courage to try experimenting with them.

Hth,
Joe

"Lete" wrote in message
...
John John ha scritto:
You might find helpful information he

http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/di...137/index.html
http://www.48bitlba.com/

What about the 48-bit patches there on 48bitlba.com? Are they safe? Lots
of posts (here too) say that filling a large drive over that 137GB
limits means that the FAT will go nuts and some data will be lost... is
that the case even with those patches? I know that a 3rd party hw
controller would be the safest bet, but my usage of 98SE is not frequent
enough to justify another card inside the case...

Lete
--
"Fummo andati in Brasile e comprammo Juary..." "Presidente...
'Siamo'..." "Dicevo che fummo andati in Brasile e compr..."
"SIAMO!" "Ma che si' venuto pure tu?" (Antonio Sibilia)